Powers & Abilities Shanks' fighting style explained.
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Facts on Shanks:
1) Shanks have CoC
2) Shanks is swordsman
3) Shanks doesn't have black blade
4) Shanks sword grade is unconfirmed
5) Shanks isn't WSS
Facts on Mihawk:
1) It's unconfirmed if Mihawk have CoC or not
2) Mihawk is a swordsman
3) Mihawk have black blade
4) Mihawk sword grade is superme grade - one of 12 best blades in the whole world!
5) Mihawk is WSS
Those are facts so stop crying to me
Facts on Shanks:
1) Shanks have CoC
2) Shanks is swordsman
3) Shanks doesn't have black blade
4) Shanks sword grade is unconfirmed
5) Shanks isn't WSS
Facts on Mihawk:
1) It's unconfirmed if Mihawk have CoC or not
2) Mihawk is a swordsman
3) Mihawk have black blade
4) Mihawk sword grade is superme grade - one of 12 best blades in the whole world!
5) Mihawk is WSS
Facts about Shanks
1) stood equal to WSM
2) stand above WSC
3) Gorosei admit they can't stop him
Facts about Mihawk
1) he had the honor of fighting young adult Shanks +12 years ago
Shanks hype is so big it's almost boring
he is strongest person
he have a military might which even WG can't deal with
Shanks won every war that there is ... it's so boring to win everything ... I'm a bit sad about it
but
even comparing Mihawk to Shanks is a crazy shit less than 10% of overall community find possible
I'm talking about Zoro fans with too much free time who care to question it ... and trolls/haters like you
Kaido fans might give us a harder push for actual debates
p.s
Shanks Vs Mihawk gonna end like "is CoC strong or not" ...
a sea of denial , a perfect hit from Oda .... game over
betting Vs Shanks in one piece is stupidest shit anyone might do
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I've seen this discussion so many times.
Before I start with my explanation, I want to put extremely clear those things:
- Yes, the sword is his primary weapon and it is utilized in his fighting style
- Yup, haki's level is considered in swordsmanship, but there is a but.
- I'll use videogames combos for Shanks, since he never fought in the manga and also because the games spoiled Adv. CoC since years, with PW3.
So, let's start.
- We know that Shanks is an extremely strong individual in One Piece world, and we know that he started as a member of Roger's pirates.
During sometimes, we know from Ace's novel, databooks, vivrecards and Whitebeard's own words, that Shanks started dueling with Hawkeye and started becoming more famous.
Mihawk was already famous before the death of Roger.
so we know that a not well known Shanks, an apprentice,
fought against the already famous swordsman Mihawk.
So we can already see how much potential Shanks had, dueling during that time against an already not that far from prime, Mihawk.
In fact, Mihawk already had black yoru during Roger's execution.
We also know from Zoro's novel that Shanks is said to be a great swordsman, but he hasn't actually desplayed this great tecnhique with a sword..
We also know that the Shanks who fought against Mihawk wasn't a yonko and he became one after his first meeting with Luffy.
So, what are my conclusions?
I think that it is confirmed that Pre Yonko Shanks was indeed a swordsman, but, as vivrecards confirms he deeply evolved, and only now is a presence equal of that of Whitebeard, he wasn't when he had his duels with Mihawk.
The word used was evolved, so we can assume how much big difference in power there is between a Pre Yonko Shanks and Yonko Shanks, now Mihawk has for sure become stronger too, but he was an already well known swordsman before Roger's death so it's more than fair to assume he didn't evolved as much as his previous rival Red-hair.
But what changed in Shanks?
I think that yeah, he was a swordsman, but.. he has changed his fighting style after he lost his arm and that he started focusing on haki, since we all know that Shanks' forte is haki, his haki is the thing hyped about him.
Yeah, I know, he still relies on his sword, of course he does!
Even Buggy's subordinate was considered a swordsman even though he used various circus tricks:
But you know, being a swordsman doesn't mean utilizing a sword as a primary weapon or anything lke that, it's all based on how you use it.
A sword is used for cutting, and I think that Shanks doesn't do that, just like Roger.
This is how Roger used his sword.
He channels his Adv. COC haki and then throws it with his sword to overwhelm the opponent, but as we could see, Roger didn't do any pierce damage to Oden.
Now I know, Adv. COC can be used for swords too, of course.
But Oden utilized the COC in his sword in a totally different way from Roger, he doesn't just throw haki with his sword, Oden utilizes his haki to imbue his swords, to make them stronger and to do more pierce damage, in fact he even left a scar on Kaido, something that Zoro has done too.
But why hasn't Shanks done that to Kaido? He has a sword and Adv. COC too.
Well, that's because Shanks is just like Roger, his moveset in games is really similar to that of Roger in PW3 and PW4 who came out before we could see Roger's fighting against Whitebeard.
Interesting thing is that in previous games we had the Pre yonko version of Shanks and he doesn't utilize his COC in attacks.
But well, Shanks doesn't focus on cutting and his slashes are totally different from that of Oden and Zoro's, Red-hair just does internal damage like Luffy by throwing his haki from his sword, we known that he has fought Kaido, just like Roger did, so the reason of the Pirate King and Red-hair not leaving a scar must be that.
Maybe you couldn't get what I mean, so I'll post an image to put you in clear the difference between the effect of Roger/Shanks' slash and Oden's one in my opinion, but to put it in clear, Roger and Shanks don't do pierce damage.
This is how I imagine Roger and Shanks doing damage to Kaido:
While COC user swordsman should just leave Kaido some scars like this:
So is Shanks a swordsman? He was one, now he has become like Roger, he can't be just a swordsman as he was before or Oda wouldn't have said that:
That's all from me.
Before I start with my explanation, I want to put extremely clear those things:
- Yes, the sword is his primary weapon and it is utilized in his fighting style
- Yup, haki's level is considered in swordsmanship, but there is a but.
- I'll use videogames combos for Shanks, since he never fought in the manga and also because the games spoiled Adv. CoC since years, with PW3.
So, let's start.
- We know that Shanks is an extremely strong individual in One Piece world, and we know that he started as a member of Roger's pirates.
During sometimes, we know from Ace's novel, databooks, vivrecards and Whitebeard's own words, that Shanks started dueling with Hawkeye and started becoming more famous.
Mihawk was already famous before the death of Roger.
so we know that a not well known Shanks, an apprentice,
fought against the already famous swordsman Mihawk.
So we can already see how much potential Shanks had, dueling during that time against an already not that far from prime, Mihawk.
In fact, Mihawk already had black yoru during Roger's execution.
We also know from Zoro's novel that Shanks is said to be a great swordsman, but he hasn't actually desplayed this great tecnhique with a sword..
We also know that the Shanks who fought against Mihawk wasn't a yonko and he became one after his first meeting with Luffy.
So, what are my conclusions?
I think that it is confirmed that Pre Yonko Shanks was indeed a swordsman, but, as vivrecards confirms he deeply evolved, and only now is a presence equal of that of Whitebeard, he wasn't when he had his duels with Mihawk.
But what changed in Shanks?
I think that yeah, he was a swordsman, but.. he has changed his fighting style after he lost his arm and that he started focusing on haki, since we all know that Shanks' forte is haki, his haki is the thing hyped about him.
Yeah, I know, he still relies on his sword, of course he does!
Even Buggy's subordinate was considered a swordsman even though he used various circus tricks:
But you know, being a swordsman doesn't mean utilizing a sword as a primary weapon or anything lke that, it's all based on how you use it.
A sword is used for cutting, and I think that Shanks doesn't do that, just like Roger.
This is how Roger used his sword.
He channels his Adv. COC haki and then throws it with his sword to overwhelm the opponent, but as we could see, Roger didn't do any pierce damage to Oden.
Now I know, Adv. COC can be used for swords too, of course.
But Oden utilized the COC in his sword in a totally different way from Roger, he doesn't just throw haki with his sword, Oden utilizes his haki to imbue his swords, to make them stronger and to do more pierce damage, in fact he even left a scar on Kaido, something that Zoro has done too.
But why hasn't Shanks done that to Kaido? He has a sword and Adv. COC too.
Well, that's because Shanks is just like Roger, his moveset in games is really similar to that of Roger in PW3 and PW4 who came out before we could see Roger's fighting against Whitebeard.
Interesting thing is that in previous games we had the Pre yonko version of Shanks and he doesn't utilize his COC in attacks.
But well, Shanks doesn't focus on cutting and his slashes are totally different from that of Oden and Zoro's, Red-hair just does internal damage like Luffy by throwing his haki from his sword, we known that he has fought Kaido, just like Roger did, so the reason of the Pirate King and Red-hair not leaving a scar must be that.
Maybe you couldn't get what I mean, so I'll post an image to put you in clear the difference between the effect of Roger/Shanks' slash and Oden's one in my opinion, but to put it in clear, Roger and Shanks don't do pierce damage.
This is how I imagine Roger and Shanks doing damage to Kaido:
While COC user swordsman should just leave Kaido some scars like this:
So is Shanks a swordsman? He was one, now he has become like Roger, he can't be just a swordsman as he was before or Oda wouldn't have said that:
That's all from me.
Mihawk has observation haki and armament haki. He also has the ability to wield other bladed weapons proficiently that are not swords (a knife).
Admiral fugitora is also labeled as a swordsman even though he has haki and a devil fruit.
We literally see that rodger fit into the same boat.
Raleigh is labeled a swordsman even though just like shanks he has all 3 versions of haki and uses kicks lol
Do you cats know what being a pure or a true swordsman actually is? It's using the sword or swordsmanship as an extension of yourself and your attacks/fighting style. That's it.
Fuji has gravity sword slashes
Rodger has haki sword slashes
Shanks defends and prepares for attacks using b sword. Defends against akauinu with it. Clashes with whiteboard with it. Threatens everyone fighting at marine Ford and immediately took it out to fight with.
I am so glad you mentioned this because I was about to state these things as well. Zoro literaly has a "ZERO SWORD STYLE".
Kawamatsu literally has sumo wrestling moves and incorporates them into his sword techniques
Yip and shiryuu does indeed have a devil fruit.
This is why this case about pure swordsman ship with Shanks makes no sense
Kawamatsu literally has sumo wrestling moves and incorporates them into his sword techniques
Yip and shiryuu does indeed have a devil fruit.
This is why this case about pure swordsman ship with Shanks makes no sense
Facts on Shanks:
1) Shanks have CoC
2) Shanks is swordsman
3) Shanks doesn't have black blade
4) Shanks sword grade is unconfirmed
5) Shanks isn't WSS
Facts on Mihawk:
1) It's unconfirmed if Mihawk have CoC or not
2) Mihawk is a swordsman
3) Mihawk have black blade
4) Mihawk sword grade is superme grade - one of 12 best blades in the whole world!
5) Mihawk is WSS
Those are facts so stop crying to me
I've seen this discussion so many times.
Before I start with my explanation, I want to put extremely clear those things:
- Yes, the sword is his primary weapon and it is utilized in his fighting style
- Yup, haki's level is considered in swordsmanship, but there is a but.
- I'll use videogames combos for Shanks, since he never fought in the manga and also because the games spoiled Adv. CoC since years, with PW3.
So, let's start.
- We know that Shanks is an extremely strong individual in One Piece world, and we know that he started as a member of Roger's pirates.
During sometimes, we know from Ace's novel, databooks, vivrecards and Whitebeard's own words, that Shanks started dueling with Hawkeye and started becoming more famous.
Mihawk was already famous before the death of Roger.
so we know that a not well known Shanks, an apprentice,
fought against the already famous swordsman Mihawk.
So we can already see how much potential Shanks had, dueling during that time against an already not that far from prime, Mihawk.
In fact, Mihawk already had black yoru during Roger's execution.
We also know from Zoro's novel that Shanks is said to be a great swordsman, but he hasn't actually desplayed this great tecnhique with a sword..
We also know that the Shanks who fought against Mihawk wasn't a yonko and he became one after his first meeting with Luffy.
So, what are my conclusions?
I think that it is confirmed that Pre Yonko Shanks was indeed a swordsman, but, as vivrecards confirms he deeply evolved, and only now is a presence equal of that of Whitebeard, he wasn't when he had his duels with Mihawk.
The word used was evolved, so we can assume how much big difference in power there is between a Pre Yonko Shanks and Yonko Shanks, now Mihawk has for sure become stronger too, but he was an already well known swordsman before Roger's death so it's more than fair to assume he didn't evolved as much as his previous rival Red-hair.
But what changed in Shanks?
I think that yeah, he was a swordsman, but.. he has changed his fighting style after he lost his arm and that he started focusing on haki, since we all know that Shanks' forte is haki, his haki is the thing hyped about him.
Yeah, I know, he still relies on his sword, of course he does!
Even Buggy's subordinate was considered a swordsman even though he used various circus tricks:
But you know, being a swordsman doesn't mean utilizing a sword as a primary weapon or anything lke that, it's all based on how you use it.
A sword is used for cutting, and I think that Shanks doesn't do that, just like Roger.
This is how Roger used his sword.
He channels his Adv. COC haki and then throws it with his sword to overwhelm the opponent, but as we could see, Roger didn't do any pierce damage to Oden.
Now I know, Adv. COC can be used for swords too, of course.
But Oden utilized the COC in his sword in a totally different way from Roger, he doesn't just throw haki with his sword, Oden utilizes his haki to imbue his swords, to make them stronger and to do more pierce damage, in fact he even left a scar on Kaido, something that Zoro has done too.
But why hasn't Shanks done that to Kaido? He has a sword and Adv. COC too.
Well, that's because Shanks is just like Roger, his moveset in games is really similar to that of Roger in PW3 and PW4 who came out before we could see Roger's fighting against Whitebeard.
Interesting thing is that in previous games we had the Pre yonko version of Shanks and he doesn't utilize his COC in attacks.
But well, Shanks doesn't focus on cutting and his slashes are totally different from that of Oden and Zoro's, Red-hair just does internal damage like Luffy by throwing his haki from his sword, we known that he has fought Kaido, just like Roger did, so the reason of the Pirate King and Red-hair not leaving a scar must be that.
Maybe you couldn't get what I mean, so I'll post an image to put you in clear the difference between the effect of Roger/Shanks' slash and Oden's one in my opinion, but to put it in clear, Roger and Shanks don't do pierce damage.
This is how I imagine Roger and Shanks doing damage to Kaido:
While COC user swordsman should just leave Kaido some scars like this:
So is Shanks a swordsman? He was one, now he has become like Roger, he can't be just a swordsman as he was before or Oda wouldn't have said that:
That's all from me.
Before I start with my explanation, I want to put extremely clear those things:
- Yes, the sword is his primary weapon and it is utilized in his fighting style
- Yup, haki's level is considered in swordsmanship, but there is a but.
- I'll use videogames combos for Shanks, since he never fought in the manga and also because the games spoiled Adv. CoC since years, with PW3.
So, let's start.
- We know that Shanks is an extremely strong individual in One Piece world, and we know that he started as a member of Roger's pirates.
During sometimes, we know from Ace's novel, databooks, vivrecards and Whitebeard's own words, that Shanks started dueling with Hawkeye and started becoming more famous.
Mihawk was already famous before the death of Roger.
so we know that a not well known Shanks, an apprentice,
fought against the already famous swordsman Mihawk.
So we can already see how much potential Shanks had, dueling during that time against an already not that far from prime, Mihawk.
In fact, Mihawk already had black yoru during Roger's execution.
We also know from Zoro's novel that Shanks is said to be a great swordsman, but he hasn't actually desplayed this great tecnhique with a sword..
We also know that the Shanks who fought against Mihawk wasn't a yonko and he became one after his first meeting with Luffy.
So, what are my conclusions?
I think that it is confirmed that Pre Yonko Shanks was indeed a swordsman, but, as vivrecards confirms he deeply evolved, and only now is a presence equal of that of Whitebeard, he wasn't when he had his duels with Mihawk.
But what changed in Shanks?
I think that yeah, he was a swordsman, but.. he has changed his fighting style after he lost his arm and that he started focusing on haki, since we all know that Shanks' forte is haki, his haki is the thing hyped about him.
Yeah, I know, he still relies on his sword, of course he does!
Even Buggy's subordinate was considered a swordsman even though he used various circus tricks:
But you know, being a swordsman doesn't mean utilizing a sword as a primary weapon or anything lke that, it's all based on how you use it.
A sword is used for cutting, and I think that Shanks doesn't do that, just like Roger.
This is how Roger used his sword.
He channels his Adv. COC haki and then throws it with his sword to overwhelm the opponent, but as we could see, Roger didn't do any pierce damage to Oden.
Now I know, Adv. COC can be used for swords too, of course.
But Oden utilized the COC in his sword in a totally different way from Roger, he doesn't just throw haki with his sword, Oden utilizes his haki to imbue his swords, to make them stronger and to do more pierce damage, in fact he even left a scar on Kaido, something that Zoro has done too.
But why hasn't Shanks done that to Kaido? He has a sword and Adv. COC too.
Well, that's because Shanks is just like Roger, his moveset in games is really similar to that of Roger in PW3 and PW4 who came out before we could see Roger's fighting against Whitebeard.
Interesting thing is that in previous games we had the Pre yonko version of Shanks and he doesn't utilize his COC in attacks.
But well, Shanks doesn't focus on cutting and his slashes are totally different from that of Oden and Zoro's, Red-hair just does internal damage like Luffy by throwing his haki from his sword, we known that he has fought Kaido, just like Roger did, so the reason of the Pirate King and Red-hair not leaving a scar must be that.
Maybe you couldn't get what I mean, so I'll post an image to put you in clear the difference between the effect of Roger/Shanks' slash and Oden's one in my opinion, but to put it in clear, Roger and Shanks don't do pierce damage.
This is how I imagine Roger and Shanks doing damage to Kaido:
While COC user swordsman should just leave Kaido some scars like this:
So is Shanks a swordsman? He was one, now he has become like Roger, he can't be just a swordsman as he was before or Oda wouldn't have said that:
That's all from me.
In short, i always thought that Shanks is a weaker swordman than Mihawk but Shanks is a stronger haki user than Mihawk.
Guess an issue with that would be that according to Mihawk's vivre card he is waiting for a swordmaster to emerge to surpass his rival Shanks so he would be chickening if he was merely waiting him for their skill at sword and not total stats. Very improbable that he searches it for something else. Not to mention that haki is pretty much a component of swordsmanship, I would be surprised if Oda thought differently at least.
Yea Shanks as a swordsman can't surpass Mihawk i guess, but your points about haki being part of being a swordman only applies if you consider being a swordman as your main role, instead of haki user like Vergo said. If haki is part of being a swordman then Luffy and Kaidou should be swordsmen but it's not the case. If haki is a part of being a swordman then Roger should cut stuff but it's not the case.
So i see it as integration of multiple stuff i guess. Stronger swordsman =/= stronger haki user =/= stronger fighter kinda stuff. And for this topic imo we have said our disagreement a few times.
So i see it as integration of multiple stuff i guess. Stronger swordsman =/= stronger haki user =/= stronger fighter kinda stuff. And for this topic imo we have said our disagreement a few times.
