Should Europe create an alliance with Russia or China instead of USA?

Should Europe ally with China or Russia instead of USA?

  • Yes(Russia only)

    Votes: 1 4.2%
  • Yes(China only)

    Votes: 2 8.3%
  • Yes(both of them)

    Votes: 7 29.2%
  • No

    Votes: 9 37.5%
  • No(but Europe should take distances from USA)

    Votes: 5 20.8%

  • Total voters
    24
#42
I'm not from the east. It's in other places too.
Of course that's true, but it's always really bad in the east. Especially in the smaller villages. I was born, raised, and still live here and we literally got a family of wannabe neo-nazis or "Reichsbürger" living right across the street and it's like the most normal thing over here lol
 
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#44
Damn. It wasn't THIS bad where I grew up...
Of course that's true, but it's always really bad in the east. Especially in the smaller villages. I was born, raised, and still live here and we literally got a family of wannabe neo-nazis or "Reichsbürger" living right across the street and it's like the most normal thing over here lol
 
#45
Damn. It wasn't THIS bad where I grew up...
Yeah as a kid I actually never really noticed all that stuff either. We got a lot of small, isolated communities here in certain parts of the east and when you grow up surrounded by a typical mindset you usually don't realize what it means or why it's bad until you get older xD
 

Red Night

Chise and Joseph
#46
Damn. It wasn't THIS bad where I grew up...
In France too, there is a lot of neo-nazis.
The law in France is less strict against them. Some days ago, members of a neo-nazi group has been arrested in France while they were preparing a terror attack.
Even in my cite there is some swaztika and celtic crosses on the walls.
When I was a kid, I didn't know that it was bad things.
 
#47
Lmao the US is basically going to throw damn near a million people because people.

1. Hate wearing masks.
2. Don't want to get vaccinated.

What could possibly make anyone think allying with the US is a good idea? I mean aside from other anglo countries.

Anyways. Its pretty clear the US will fall apart sometime. We saw the precursor to this with something called the Tea Party. It was a racist far right reaction to a black president that directly led to trump
 
#48
You need to look at things as big picture imo..
The deal with France was in negotiation since 2016 i guess..But it never moved further than that.
I do agree that French spended lots of money on customer trials.
But Ausi were not bounded to sign that deal (technically) . Because they got better product at better price (pricefurther got hiked due to delay) and Aussie got Nuclear Sub .
Yes Aussie broke the code but they were not technically wrong ..

Now at bigger picture...USA is shifting their focus on south china sea for maintain freedom of navigation in that area..
And for that they need safe bases..And Australia is going to provide them base , Maintenance and supply base in case of war..
So it's win and win situation for both...

And Europe will never allied wit Russia because of historical and political reason..

Also Russia and China are may be allies but they do not have unique relationship like USA and European nations..
The truth is Russia has the highest no of missile pointed on China (from Mongolian side) that speaks a lot
 

Red Night

Chise and Joseph
#49
You need to look at things as big picture imo..
The deal with France was in negotiation since 2016 i guess..But it never moved further than that.
I do agree that French spended lots of money on customer trials.
But Ausi were not bounded to sign that deal (technically) . Because they got better product at better price (pricefurther got hiked due to delay) and Aussie got Nuclear Sub .
Yes Aussie broke the code but they were not technically wrong ..

Now at bigger picture...USA is shifting their focus on south china sea for maintain freedom of navigation in that area..
And for that they need safe bases..And Australia is going to provide them base , Maintenance and supply base in case of war..
So it's win and win situation for both...

And Europe will never allied wit Russia because of historical and political reason..

Also Russia and China are may be allies but they do not have unique relationship like USA and European nations..
The truth is Russia has the highest no of missile pointed on China (from Mongolian side) that speaks a lot
France can product nuclear submarines. The deal could have create a lot of jobs in France. And France also has a lot of bases in the Pacific and in the Indian Ocean.
 
#50
France can product nuclear submarines. The deal could have create a lot of jobs in France. And France also has a lot of bases in the Pacific and in the Indian Ocean.
Agreed , French lost big opportunity . But france can't replace Australia in indo Pacific region.

In current geopolitical scenario , USA took a chance by hurting old ally French for bigger gain .
USA always plan for next 30 years...
Hope that some backdoor deal will happen and France will get something in return to recover their loss..
 
#51
Agreed , French lost big opportunity . But france can't replace Australia in indo Pacific region.

In current geopolitical scenario , USA took a chance by hurting old ally French for bigger gain .
USA always plan for next 30 years...
Hope that some backdoor deal will happen and France will get something in return to recover their loss..
Lmao the US doesn't even plan for 4 years.
 
#52
That's East Germany in a nutshell lol
the east is the only part of germany that maintained a little bit of itself. lets hope they never cave in.
Watch. The EU will fall apart. Its basic tribalism.
as it should
Got nothing to do with what I said tho
we never learn from past mistakes. the EU is one of those mistakes. if you did not notice the EU promotes socialism.
So what would have been your advice to Yugoslavia then to 'keep the country together'? Conquer every enthnicity in there, manipulate their identities unttil they feel like 'Yugoslavians' as their ethnicity?
thats what Yugoslavia was. before it crumbled. the solution is what you have right now. the ethnic groups have their own space.
Russia is pretty much the same thing as Yugoslavia. theres no one russian. theres multiple ethnicities living under the same roof. the advantage russia has is that its so vast. you still get tension with groups such as chechens.
kids are already some of the worst racists
always the fault of the "racist"...
has anyone asked those kids if they would want to have a fuckton of foreigners move in? no?
the east is like it is because they still have first hand experience of what socialism was like. they reject it and everything that is associated with it. even 30 years of heavy indoctrination has not changed that and this is a very good thing. its too bad west germany is too conceited to realize that.
I will give you an example. in spring the east had worse COVID case numbers than the west. the media blamed it on them being AfD (muh raycists) voters etc. the general blame the stupid nazi stick.
now come fall and the case numbers in the east are way better then the west. but what does the media do? still AfD voters the reason? of course not. now its something else entirely. the east is older and less mobile hurr dee durr.
and the entire west of germany is gobbeling this shit up and does not even second guess it. absolute state of germany.
this is getting too much off topic I need to stop...
And Europe will never allied wit Russia because of historical and political reason..
false.
Its pretty clear the US will fall apart sometime.
it really does seem that way. its a true wonder how a nation where one half is constantly at the others throat even made it so far.
the lynchpin will be the dollar. dept default in octobre? yeah no.
 
#54
the east is the only part of germany that maintained a little bit of itself. lets hope they never cave in.

as it should

we never learn from past mistakes. the EU is one of those mistakes. if you did not notice the EU promotes socialism.

thats what Yugoslavia was. before it crumbled. the solution is what you have right now. the ethnic groups have their own space.
Russia is pretty much the same thing as Yugoslavia. theres no one russian. theres multiple ethnicities living under the same roof. the advantage russia has is that its so vast. you still get tension with groups such as chechens.

always the fault of the "racist"...
has anyone asked those kids if they would want to have a fuckton of foreigners move in? no?
the east is like it is because they still have first hand experience of what socialism was like. they reject it and everything that is associated with it. even 30 years of heavy indoctrination has not changed that and this is a very good thing. its too bad west germany is too conceited to realize that.
I will give you an example. in spring the east had worse COVID case numbers than the west. the media blamed it on them being AfD (muh raycists) voters etc. the general blame the stupid nazi stick.
now come fall and the case numbers in the east are way better then the west. but what does the media do? still AfD voters the reason? of course not. now its something else entirely. the east is older and less mobile hurr dee durr.
and the entire west of germany is gobbeling this shit up and does not even second guess it. absolute state of germany.
this is getting too much off topic I need to stop...

false.

it really does seem that way. its a true wonder how a nation where one half is constantly at the others throat even made it so far.
the lynchpin will be the dollar. dept default in octobre? yeah no.
Well for one. The white people enslaved the blacks and then there was jim crow segregation etc.

The very defining aspect of the US is that whites are higher on the social latter then black people and other minorities. Now that its no longer legal to discriminate against minorities openly, things will fall apart.

I get you aren't privy to these views, but its the truth.
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That's what's happening in European countries too, what kind of shit is this
Oh, I'm an expat in east asia and basically nobody has died despite being being a like 3 hours away from Wuhan. Not in China.

Didn't know it was bad in Europe too.
 
#55
I will give you an example. in spring the east had worse COVID case numbers than the west. the media blamed it on them being AfD (muh raycists) voters etc. the general blame the stupid nazi stick.
now come fall and the case numbers in the east are way better then the west. but what does the media do? still AfD voters the reason? of course not. now its something else entirely. the east is older and less mobile hurr dee durr.
and the entire west of germany is gobbeling this shit up and does not even second guess it. absolute state of germany.
Lol what part of Germany do you live in where media blamed AfD voters for Corona? It's very common knowledge that the reason why our numbers picked up again in Spring was because the lockdown regulations were loosened and a lot of people went back to life as usual without really maintaining social distance

AfD sucks ass but you can't blame them for the pandemic lmao
 
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#56
always the fault of the "racist"...
has anyone asked those kids if they would want to have a fuckton of foreigners move in? no?
Has anyone asked the kids of 'foreigners' to live in a neighborhood where they are discriminated against even tho they did nothing wrong except having the wrong surname??

Even in my cite there is some swaztika and celtic crosses on the walls.
It's sad that these idiots have ruined those ancient symbols.
The swastika especially is an almost globally appearing positive symbol of peace. You can find it anywhere, from India to East Asia, Egypt, Native American cultures...
It's such a shame:catcry:
 

Red Night

Chise and Joseph
#57
Has anyone asked the kids of 'foreigners' to live in a neighborhood where they are discriminated against even tho they did nothing wrong except having the wrong name??
I think that if there is no migrants, nobody can be forced to live in a neighborhood they are discriminated.
End of the problem.

But that's not the subject of this thread, what are we saying? Maybe we should go on a political forum. I will ask a mod to close the thread when it will reach page 5. Everything's my fault cuz I brought the subject here.
 
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