Should Europe create an alliance with Russia or China instead of USA?

[trav]

There is a reason why all the smartest doctors, engineers, scientists all want to go the United States

money. its the only reason. once there is more money to be made elsewhere the US stops being a desirable destination.
this process is detrimental to the nations they poach. pretty much everyone loses in this.

nation of origin loses brain power. they invested in them and get ripped off.
people in the nation of destination get their job taken away by a foreigner.
the only one who wins here is the one migrating and the company that takes them (not going into further detail on how this spills into society and so on...).
its shit. always has been. brain drain is harmful and should be restricted.
this is why I respect every scientist or doctor who stays in their nation and helps support their people. to make their own country prosper instead of aiming for personal gain.

Hipsters have to shut the hell up with this anti-American crap.

the US deserves every hate it gets. you should suck up less to them, but thats probably impossible for the UK.
I can name countries that are "worse" than the US (depending on how you define what is good or bad). most of these countries have little to no impact on me and the society I live in. the US on the other hand does. and not for the better.

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2 pillars of western civilisation were gay af

accepting gays != acting like gays are special

Last i checked no one wants to beat up a straight person just bcs they straight

preferring a diversity hire over a straight person is also oppression. its not necessarily physical violence.

France? Same france that was made from many different galic tribes

when did France make progress? during tribal era or when they where unified? same goes for germany.

In a nutshell - i want things to be HOW i see them, fuck the rest

in a nutshell: unable to refute it.

Man you have such a problem with a minority living next to you?

my neighbourhood is 50% immigrants. we still all have something in common that brings us close together. which is the biggest reason why its so comfortable living there. we certainly do not agree on everything, but we agree on how to behave.

you know what. lets ship all LGBTQRSTV people to the middle east. help diversify it. should not be a problem, no? after all, people get along. right? thats what you said and what you believe, is it not?

thats the fundamental difference between people like you and people like me.
yes, I want to live next to people who think and behave as I do. and I would also never attempt to interfere with others who do not. I would leave them in peace. an own place for everyone. a place where everyone can be happy. in their own way. undisturbed. unbothered.

we even participate in same.activities

thank you for proving my point.

neighbouring civs worked together

survivors bias.
you talk about the ones that made it. think about the ones that did not. those that were not able to protect themselves from foreign invasion.
the nations that exist today exist because they prevailed. I leave it to you to figure out how that went.

EU Europe

the EU is not europe. never has been.

peace lasting last 70 years

HAHAHAHAHAHHA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_Kingdom
I will not even go into detail here. our world in in constant struggle. there was no 70 year peace.
what you mean is that european soil was more or less peaceful. even that is not true.

if you believe that european nations required the EU to get along then you are an utter idiot. Norway and Switzerland are doing just fine without it.

 

[Ballel]

Why do these threads exist??
Please just stop making them guys

 

[Adam 🍎]

accepting gays != acting like gays are special

What is this supposed to even mean?

preferring a diversity hire over a straight person is also oppression. its not necessarily physical violence.

I have yet see anyone do that in my life

It is illegal in goverment jobs and it gives you massive grounds for a law suit. For private jobs, not my buisness how a boss leads his company and a hiring process

when did France make progress? during tribal era or when they where unified? same goes for germany.

France made most progress in the last 70 years when they unified everyone under their flag - even POC french and muslim french from their colonies

in a nutshell: unable to refute it

Nothing to refute my doggie. You see world how you see it and you want everyone to abide by it

you know what. lets ship all LGBTQRSTV people to the middle east. help diversify it. should not be a problem, no? after all, people get along. right? thats what you said and what you believe, is it not?

I dont wanna move anyone because it aint my buisness to move someone to a place they dont wanna go.

Why even ask me ridicolus question as that one?

survivors bias.
you talk about the ones that made it. think about the ones that did not. those that were not able to protect themselves from foreign invasion.
the nations that exist today exist because they prevailed. I leave it to you to figure out how that went.

What on earth are you even talking about now?

the EU is not europe. never has been.

Oh please, through Roman empire, byzantine HRE, Rhine confederation and so on Europeans always depebded on unions

HAHAHAHAHAHHA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_Kingdom
I will not even go into detail here. our world in in constant struggle. there was no 70 year peace.
what you mean is that european soil was more or less peaceful. even that is not true.

if you believe that european nations required the EU to get along then you are an utter idiot. Norway and Switzerland are doing just fine without it.

Are you seriously listing me UK who isnt part of EU anymore?

In Europe, last 70 years you had 0 wars except Balkan one.

Compare that to pre 1945 and 70 years before it

 

[Ballel]

In Europe, last 70 years you had 0 wars except Balkan one.

Northern Ireland?

 

[Adam 🍎]

Northern Ireland?

Oh yeah that shit up north. Again UK stuff. Same as if you wanna count Falklands

 

[Ballel]

Oh yeah that shit up north. Again UK stuff. Same as if you wanna count Falklands

Nowadays European countries focus their war interests to countries outside of Europe instead of other European countries.

 

[Hiragaro]

Europe is not allied with the USA, they are controlled by them.
To answer the question, yes Europe should distance themselfs from the USA and work with Russia and China. An "Ally" that forces you to agree on their sanctions towards Russia and China - that make absolutely no sense and are based on nothing - that hurts them more than those 2 countries is clearly not an "Ally". An Alliance is supposed to be build on equal footing supporting both interests of the 2 or more sides. The USA don't care about Europe and what would benefit them, they care only what benefits themselfs, they just use Europe for their own interests. And those interests are weakening Russia and China so they can sell more to Europe and other countries.

 

[trav]

What is this supposed to even mean?

accepting gays in a society is not the same as putting them on a pedestal. the US is doing the latter.
pride month? they need a month of celebration to remind themselves that they are normal. like what?

I have yet see anyone do that in my life

you should maybe apply for a job once in life then.
think about quotas. quotas for equality. hehe, hilarious. quotas are the OPPOSITE of equality.

when they unified everyone under their flag - even POC french and muslim french

France was a world leader before. never mind that though.
lol. you say it yourself. its like you know the answer, but refuse to admit it. THEY UINIFIED EVERYONE. can not make this shit up.
the US had this aswell. maybe actually read what I write. diversity can work if you have something that unifies. thats still not a strength of diversity. a nation can function DESPITE diversity, not because of it. the US lost this in the last 2 decades and its spilling over to europe.

you want everyone to abide by it

exactly the opposite. I do not impose my will on others. I want everyone to have their own safe space. this is how you achieve true freedom and peace.

it aint my buisness to move someone to a place they dont wanna go

point missed 100%. not the first time though.
you know fully well that there are people in this world who will not get along. you just draw the line differently.
I say instead of importing them in and trying to make it work its best to keep them apart. its a simple solution for a simple problem.

What on earth are you even talking about now?

its easy to understand, really.

Oh please, through Roman empire, byzantine HRE, Rhine confederation and so on Europeans always depebded on unions

civilizations got conquered and toppled. people killed. even genocided.
what you have today are the ones that did not. the ones that protected their borders. with blood. the ones that survived.
trade and cooperation did happen, obviously.
fact still remains that these people who created the foundation of modern prosperous societies would be considered far right-extremists by todays standards.
tell us where you live. you almost certainly live in such a nation.

who isnt part of EU anymore

by the time these wars happened they were. you also keep confusing the EU with europe.
this was just the easiest example. take France, take Germany. take anyone.
we waged war on the entire planet. remote wars.
no european nation had an interest to fight on their own soil.
post WW2 is a series of remote wars. it still is.

Compare that to pre 1945

you mean a time where a few thousand people could conquer almost all of europe because the people were not unified?

diversity makes weak. unity makes strong.
the US sows discord. this is harming europe.

 

[Owl Ki]

Why do these threads exist??
Please just stop making them guys

Unless an actual enforceable rule is introduced that bans all thread discussion on real life politics and religion then there is nothing stopping ignorant, play pretend political analysts from turning this forum into discount 4Chan. Lol.

 

[AL sama]

threads of these kinds annoy me too much tbh

 

[Midnight Delight]

threads of these kinds annoy me too much tbh

Hi

 

[Ballel]

exactly the opposite. I do not impose my will on others. I want everyone to have their own safe space. this is how you achieve true freedom and peace.

You mean like 'seperate but equal'?
This doesn't really work. History has proven that much.

what you have today are the ones that did not. the ones that protected their borders. with blood. the ones that survived.

Dude. No. The nations/ethnic groups we have today are not 'direct, non-mixed' descendants of nations who lived in the past. This sense of continuity might be something certain individuals may wish for, but it is non-factual.

 

[trav]

This doesn't really work. History has proven that much.

history has also proven that socialism lead to the biggest bloodsheds in human history, yet here we are again.

Dude. No. The nations/ethnic groups we have today are not 'direct, non-mixed' descendants of nations who lived in the past.

no one said that they are. the difference is that in nations where everyone feels like a part of it in contrast to nations where groups are at odds with each other. take a look at the fall of Yugoslavia to know what I mean. the NATIONS that exist today are only there because they prevailled (with a few exceptions).

This sense of continuity might be something certain individuals

its idiotic. we are all mongrelized as hell. everyone except maybe Eskimos. this is more about ideology then ethnicity.
you can have an orthodox christian and an islamist of the same ethnicity and they will not get along.
one of our neighbours is from Congo. shes a christian and shares the same values are everyone else arround her. its easy for her to be part of the community.
ik you are german so it should be easy for you to figure out if you took a little trip to cities.
what happens in that likeminded people (insert ethnicity/religion if you wish) moved to certain parts of the citiy and the others moved away. we segregate ourselves voluntarily.
because its human nature to prefer a surrounding where you fit in.

 

[Iam25]

Lmao Europe can't even unite together properly.

Watch. The EU will fall apart. Its basic tribalism.

Same shit will happen in the states for a reason I can't post

 

[Ballel]

history has also proven that socialism lead to the biggest bloodsheds in human history, yet here we are again.

Got nothing to do with what I said tho. When did I talk about socialism?

its idiotic. we are all mongrelized as hell

I misunderstood you then, sorry.

take a look at the fall of Yugoslavia to know what I mean

So what would have been your advice to Yugoslavia then to 'keep the country together'? Conquer every enthnicity in there, manipulate their identities unttil they feel like 'Yugoslavians' as their ethnicity?

 

[Iam25]

history has also proven that socialism lead to the biggest bloodsheds in human history, yet here we are again.

no one said that they are. the difference is that in nations where everyone feels like a part of it in contrast to nations where groups are at odds with each other. take a look at the fall of Yugoslavia to know what I mean. the NATIONS that exist today are only there because they prevailled (with a few exceptions).

its idiotic. we are all mongrelized as hell. everyone except maybe Eskimos. this is more about ideology then ethnicity.
you can have an orthodox christian and an islamist of the same ethnicity and they will not get along.
one of our neighbours is from Congo. shes a christian and shares the same values are everyone else arround her. its easy for her to be part of the community.
ik you are german so it should be easy for you to figure out if you took a little trip to cities.
what happens in that likeminded people (insert ethnicity/religion if you wish) moved to certain parts of the citiy and the others moved away. we segregate ourselves voluntarily.
because its human nature to prefer a surrounding where you fit in.

Nah from an American POV race and ethnicity are the main unifers.

Its why Obama was seen as a Kenyan Muslim but Melania was American as apple pie.

Being completely honest the way europe treats its non-white soccer players is a pretty strong piece of evidence you don't actually treat people as equals.

 

[Ballel]

Nah from an American POV race and ethnicity are the main unifers.

The American attitude towards race is special bc of their history. Could you ever dream about Germany writing a person's race in their ID?? I was shocked when I learned this is a thing in the US.

Being completely honest the way europe treats its non-white soccer players is a pretty strong piece of evidence you don't actually treat people as equals.

Now I'm curious. How is the treatment of non white players?
I don't follow this sport so I have no idea.

 

[Iam25]

The American attitude towards race is special bc of their history. Could you ever dream about Germany writing a person's race in their ID?? I was ahocken when I learned this is a thing in the US.


Niw I'm curious. How is the treatment of non white players?
I don't follow this sport so I have no idea.

No. Its not because of US history lmao race/ethnicity are the first things you notice about people aside from them being male/female?


https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-pm-johnson-condemns-racist-abuse-england-soccer-team-2021-07-12/

I remember talking to some Britishmen specifically about this btw. They argued the UK doesn't actually discriminate against native born Brits who are black or Asian.

Chances are German society discriminates heavily against its non-white population and native Germans either don't care or notice.

That's how these things work.

 

[Ballel]

No. Its not because of US history lmao race/ethnicity are the first things you notice about people aside from them being male/female?

But still. American attitude towards the importance of race is different from let's say, Europe. The way they handle race goes back to hiw the country was populated beginning with colonial times.

Chances are German society discriminates heavily against its non-white population and native Germans either don't care or notice.

Of course they discriminate.
Germans even discriminate against the non-ethnic German population that IS white.
I could tell you a thing or two about how even kids are already some of the worst racists.

Not all Germans are like this of course. But it happens more often than one might think.
And then there are those 'positive' racists who believe every other culture is SpEcIAl and iNtErEsTiNg.

 

[Milou]

Germans even discriminate against the non-ethnic German population that IS white.

That's East Germany in a nutshell lol