General & Others Shouldn't Hiyori just be the Actual Shogun then?

#1
This is a response to anyone who believes Momo should join the crew so that he can grow to learn to be a Shogun. And so Hiyori would just TEMPORARILY take up the Shogunate as a gesture to "female empowerment" or whatever.

The first problem NO ONE has talked about is that the series ends in a few months. I'm saying the actual one piece is going to be found in a few months in the story. And so Momo will have joined the crew to get "training" to be a proper Shogun for a few months and then he'll most likely STILL return to Wano as a little kid. So what was the point then?

And secondly, shouldn't Hiyori just be the ACTUAL Shogun then? If this is a "female empowerment" thing then why the hell should Hiyori be a bench warmer for Momo? Shouldn't Hiyori just be the permanent shogun then, and give birth to kids who she trains to be Shogun and gives them the position and her family line forever remains the main family line? That's true "female empowerment". Momo is unfit to lead so Hiyori becomes the actual heir whose bloodline becomes the actual main one.

Like even if Momo returns after a few months or even a few years somehow or even 20 years, why the hell should he automatically just usurp the throne from Hiyori and hrr bloodline again. Just because he's a man? Well fuck that then. That's not "female empowerment" at all is it?

For the people who want Momo to join the crew, just say Momo abdicates the throne. Momo can join just for the sake of following in his father's footsteps. That way when the journey ends in a few months, even he would have his little dream accomplished along with the rest of the crew and then he returns to Wano as just a royal prince, never to lay claim to the throne unless Hiyori never has kids or her kids suck. And that's it.

The whole FAKE "female empowerment" is just cringy as hell. Stop using that as an argument.
 
#6
I don’t think straw hats would invite momo or tama. Join the crew. There been a lot opportunity in the past where kids indeed help luffy and rest the straw Hats even had ability that none straw hats actually had at time but through out story they never join. Heck if we go by punk hazard for example where luffy wanted to take the kids back home with them on there ship. Robin and Franky shut that down they had there own problems they are dealing with. Nami even trust tashighi and smoker look after the kids.

The reason why momo and kinemon went luffy first place it’s because wano is not ally to world government. Knowing that fact when they defeat Kaido there is going be much more bigger Obstacles that await them. Is going to have ripple effect all cross the new world. In others world there it is likely there going be danger that lurks around corner. Knowing The goal of wano is to open boarders Momo wouldn’t have similar life style like father did.


On top if some the remaining Scabbards if some of them do live they could train him to become man he is going to be. He doesn’t have join Notorious pirate crew to get what he truly desires. Now that wano open to world he could travel and train to his hearts content take in the lessons he got from the straw hats. For Momo And tama they don’t contribute much of anything for other characters. There just a liability and restricts the straw hats overall progress that made thus far on there journey.


It also goes against the two years worth of training that straw hats have been through trying help each other To become better for luffy as well everyone else. If Momo and tama are not going fight anyone there just GoIng to be in the way. Most likely be will be killed or danger constantly through series. Let those kids stay home. I would rather have someone who is a strong and is capable of fighting. Rather than someone I want baby sit.
“Roger and whitebeard had kids”

Roger and whitebeard at least had a lot man power to take care children. Luffy by contrast doesn’t have that many people. Plus this also different area too. His ideology of being a pirate doesn’t come from Roger. It comes from shanks. Luffy wanted To join shanks pirate crew. Shanks simple said because he was child and was consider to be week. Heck luffy no longer follow ace he is own captain now with his own’s respect crew. Ace, sabo, and luffy have there journey tingo on. Momo or tama don’t help Luffy surpass shanks one day at all. What’s wrong with momo staying home in wano now that country open to world?
 
#13
Momo is supposed to be older than Hiyori and Shogun is usually male so yeah:kayneshrug:
Primogeniture matters. Momo is the first born heir, therefore he's the rightful successor of Oden.
Doesn't mean he will be the next Shogun but legally and traditionnally speaking he should be.
That means if he leaves Wano to be with the straw hats, there should be no shogun at all.

Since Hiyori will never be the actual shogun, she should never even be considered.

So Wano will have fought to overthrow the false Shogun and then be left without a shogun afterwards
 
#14
That means if he leaves Wano to be with the straw hats, there should be no shogun at all.

Since Hiyori will never be the actual shogun, she should never even be considered.

So Wano will have fought to overthrow the false Shogun and then be left without a shogun afterwards
She can be a regent until he becomes an adult. Also I don't think he is leaving Wano with the straw hats, he's still a kid and is too weak.
 
#16
That means if he leaves Wano to be with the straw hats, there should be no shogun at all.

Since Hiyori will never be the actual shogun, she should never even be considered.

So Wano will have fought to overthrow the false Shogun and then be left without a shogun afterwards
Yes, if not shogun, Hiyori can still be what Kinemon was to Kuri when Oden wasn't there. He wasn't really the temporary daimyo but still managed stuff along with Toki and the scabbards ig. Besides, neither she nor Momo has done anything that makes them deserving for the shogun title tbh. Even Kinemon is much more deserving lol. Let's just wait and see what direction Oda takes with this.
 
#19
The same reason women can't be shogun
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Shogun till Momo is on proper age.
@ShadyOjiro

You didn't even read my rant. Oda should NOT do this.

If hiyori becomes shogun when momo leaves, Hiyori should remain shogun until she dies.

If hiyori was momo's younger brother instead of Younger sister, everyone would just expect male Hiyori to just be shogun plain and simple. No nonsense of Momo returning to take the throne back or whatever
 
#20
The same reason women can't be shogun
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@ShadyOjiro

You didn't even read my rant. Oda should NOT do this.

If hiyori becomes shogun when momo leaves, Hiyori should remain shogun until she dies.

If hiyori was momo's younger brother instead of Younger sister, everyone would just expect male Hiyori to just be shogun plain and simple. No nonsense of Momo returning to take the throne back or whatever
Your just making shit complicated for no reason. Hiyori is either going to become Shogun or Steward or Regent until momo could become of age or something. Or they just don't have one and they go with another way of Government.
Borrowing from Naruto, Hokage; while not Shogun, Tsunade was a woman and become one. Your needlessly making shit up. /shrug
 
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