Break Week So Zoro acknowledges that King is not a swordsman.

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Nope, not proven Shanks tried to become the WSS at all in 10 years. He dueled with Mihawk before any of them had titles and neither had known to win or lose against the other.. He became a Yonko. Mihawk became the WSS. He's also geared to fight Luffy if they fight, not a swordsman, so who cares lol.
Yes and I never tried to be the best restaurant owner in Japan so I'm not
Kind of a cope argument
When he tried to beat Mihawk he lost
This means he's below him until he proves otherwise
But he's missing an arm so it's doubtful, if anything Mihawk will dominate more this time around
 
#23
It does because Oda decided to make Mihawk the guy to beat.

Just like the one piece is the only treasure that makes you the pirate King, Mihawk is the only character who grants you the WSS title if you beat him.
And Shanks has nothing to do with the WSS title, he's part of Luffy's ambition, and nothing to do with Zoro.

Like you so very clearly say, becoming PK comes with the ambition of actually wanting to find the treasure. Whitebeard could have been PK but didn't want to be.

If you can believe that, then you can believe Shanks has had zero ambitions to be the WSS, because it was never confirmed to be a thing. You guys just like to make shit up lol
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Yes and I never tried to be the best restaurant owner in Japan so I'm not
Kind of a cope argument
When he tried to beat Mihawk he lost
This means he's below him until he proves otherwise
But he's missing an arm so it's doubtful, if anything Mihawk will dominate more this time around
It's not a cope argument, because while Shanks ain't the best restaurant owner, he's the best bar owner. Kaido's the best catering owner. Pirate King is the best food distribution center owner. Get the point? Titles are arbitrary. They don't matter.

Sounds like you are trying to cope considering that Shanks had a FAR FAR FAR bigger presence during Marineford than Mihawk does:milaugh:
 

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#24
Zoro doesn't considered King as a swordsman because he uses different arsenals outside of swordsmanship. Even Zoro would be going as far as punch/kicking and biting him if it means to win the fight. And King agreed that he's not a swordsman.
 
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And Shanks has nothing to do with the WSS title, he's part of Luffy's ambition, and nothing to do with Zoro.

Like you so very clearly say, becoming PK comes with the ambition of actually wanting to find the treasure. Whitebeard could have been PK but didn't want to be.

If you can believe that, then you can believe Shanks has had zero ambitions to be the WSS, because it was never confirmed to be a thing. You guys just like to make shit up lol
Whitebeard could have became PK after Roger died, that's what was implied.

Maybe Shanks could have been WSS if Mihawk was dead, but unlike with WB, Oda didn't even imply that much...
 
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Whitebeard could have became PK after Roger died, that's what was implied.

Maybe Shanks could have been WSS if Mihawk was dead, but unlike with WB, Oda didn't even imply that much...
You literally did not read Odens flashback lol. Whitebeard ALLOWED Roger to have Oden to help him become PK. They were entirely equal in battle.

Once again, all you guys assume way too much out of Shanks and Mihawk lol. Maybe wait before you spout nonsense about how they compare
 
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You literally did not read Odens flashback lol. Whitebeard ALLOWED Roger to have Oden to help him become PK. They were entirely equal in battle.

Once again, all you guys assume way too much out of Shanks and Mihawk lol. Maybe wait before you spout nonsense about how they compare
So Whitebeard could have beaten Roger to the one piece at that time because he had Oden? Was it that simple? Aside from Oden, WB's crew was a bunch of teenage fodder. Roger already had Rayleigh, and he still needed Oden ON TOP OF THAT to find the one piece lol.

WB would have found the one piece some time after Roger's death maybe, but not back then
 
#29
Meaning people who aren't considered Swordsman don't fall into the was debate.

Gastank present

Match lit

Let's go.
One reason Oda has Zoro fight and defeat strong characters who aren't swordsmen is to show us strong/great swordsman are strong compared to any character regardless of fighting style.

Mihawk is the currently the WSS. That means any living swordsman or swordsman who were alive while Mihawk holds the WSS title are weaker than Mihawk.

Since Shanks is alive and a swordsman he is weaker than Mihawk. People can say Mihawk didn't fight Yonko Shanks all they want but the truth is we don't know if that is fact or not. What we do know is, Shanks is a swordsman and Mihawk is the current WSS so Mihawk is stronger.

When it comes to past and dead characters like Oden and Roger. Whether Mihawk is stronger than them depends on the level Zoro much reach to surpass Mihawk. If Zoro needs to become stronger than them to surpass Mihawk than they are weaker.

IE: Zoro is neat Oden's level. Whether he's on his level or slight weaker is irrelevant. Before Wano is over he will surpass Oden which means Oden is weaker than Mihawk.
 
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And Shanks has nothing to do with the WSS title, he's part of Luffy's ambition, and nothing to do with Zoro.

Like you so very clearly say, becoming PK comes with the ambition of actually wanting to find the treasure. Whitebeard could have been PK but didn't want to be.

If you can believe that, then you can believe Shanks has had zero ambitions to be the WSS, because it was never confirmed to be a thing. You guys just like to make shit up lol
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It's not a cope argument, because while Shanks ain't the best restaurant owner, he's the best bar owner. Kaido's the best catering owner. Pirate King is the best food distribution center owner. Get the point? Titles are arbitrary. They don't matter.

Sounds like you are trying to cope considering that Shanks had a FAR FAR FAR bigger presence during Marineford than Mihawk does:milaugh:
u are grasping at straws now dropping random names
Kaido is irrelevant to the discussion because he's no swordsman
Mihawk and Shanks are both swordsmen, but only 1 is called the strongest
they had duels to find out who's better and Mihawk won
Shanks is below Mihawk
btw Shanks didn't stop the Marineford war on his own, he brought his entire crew with him so it's not really an useful feat to compare individuals
sure Shanks + his crew are stronger than Mihawk + Perona lmfao
but if Shanks and Mihawk go at it 1 on 1 Mihawk wins every time
 
#31
So Whitebeard could have beaten Roger to the one piece at that time because he had Oden? Was it that simple? Aside from Oden, WB's crew was a bunch of teenage fodder. Roger already had Rayleigh, and he still needed Oden ON TOP OF THAT to find the one piece lol.

WB would have found the one piece some time after Roger's death maybe, but not back then
You literally have a proven event where Roger and WBP fought for 3 days equally.

You literally have a scene where Roger begs WB for Oden.

You have scenes where Whitebeard states he's not interested in One Piece.

I never said that Whitebeard could beat Roger, there you go again assuming things nobody is saying lol.

Fact is, not one fact tells you Shanks lost to Mihawk. Not one fact tells you Shanks tried to be the WSS. Not one fact tells you Shanks, fixated on Luffy and currently a Yonko, has any ambition related to swordsmanship.
 
#33
u are grasping at straws now dropping random names
Kaido is irrelevant to the discussion because he's no swordsman
Mihawk and Shanks are both swordsmen, but only 1 is called the strongest
they had duels to find out who's better and Mihawk won
Shanks is below Mihawk
btw Shanks didn't stop the Marineford war on his own, he brought his entire crew with him so it's not really an useful feat to compare individuals
sure Shanks + his crew are stronger than Mihawk + Perona lmfao
but if Shanks and Mihawk go at it 1 on 1 Mihawk wins every time
Nope. He's not. No time to argue with someone who keeps making shit up lol.
 
#35
You literally have a proven event where Roger and WBP fought for 3 days equally.

You literally have a scene where Roger begs WB for Oden.

You have scenes where Whitebeard states he's not interested in One Piece.

I never said that Whitebeard could beat Roger, there you go again assuming things nobody is saying lol.

Fact is, not one fact tells you Shanks lost to Mihawk. Not one fact tells you Shanks tried to be the WSS. Not one fact tells you Shanks, fixated on Luffy and currently a Yonko, has any ambition related to swordsmanship.
Why the fuck are you trying to turn this discussion into a powerscaling debate? We are talking about finding the one piece. Roger needed people like Rayleigh and Oden to find the one piece. Even If WB kept Oden to himself, the rest of his crew back then had nobody that can compare to Rayleigh, and based on Rayleigh's hype we know he was essential to Roger becoming PK. You are a clown. "Muh fighting" stfu lol.
 
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You literally have a proven event where Roger and WBP fought for 3 days equally.

You literally have a scene where Roger begs WB for Oden.

You have scenes where Whitebeard states he's not interested in One Piece.

I never said that Whitebeard could beat Roger, there you go again assuming things nobody is saying lol.

Fact is, not one fact tells you Shanks lost to Mihawk. Not one fact tells you Shanks tried to be the WSS. Not one fact tells you Shanks, fixated on Luffy and currently a Yonko, has any ambition related to swordsmanship.
It doesn't matter what you say it won't change the fact that Mihawk and Shanks had legendary duels in the past. Mihawk no longer considered Shanks a worthy challenger. Mihawk and Shanks are swordsman and Mihawk is the WSS so he is stronger than Shanks.
 
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It doesn't matter what you say it won't change the fact that Mihawk and Shanks had legendary duels in the past. Mihawk no longer considered Shanks a worthy challenger. Mihawk and Shanks are swordsman and Mihawk is the WSS so he is stronger than Shanks.
So did Whitebeard and Roger, and Whitebeard didn't want to be PK

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Why the fuck are you trying to turn this discussion into a powerscaling debate? We are talking about finding the one piece. Roger needed people like Rayleigh and Oden to find the one piece. Even If WB kept Oden to himself, the rest of his crew back then had nobody that can compare to Rayleigh, and based on Rayleigh's hype we know he was essential to Roger becoming PK. You are a clown. "Muh fighting" stfu lol.
Excuse me? YOU literally compared the WSS to the Pirate King. I just followed the same shitstain illogical argument you tried to pursue.
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dunno bro you're the one bending the rules to make your boy look better than he is
he's still probably the world's second strongest swordsman
no shame in that

but this forum is a massive waste of time so wise choice actually
What rules am I bending? Where in the manga says Shanks and Mihawk fought for the WSS title? Where does it say he lost? Where does the story paint Shanks as inferior to Mihawk?

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It doesn't matter what you say it won't change the fact that Mihawk and Shanks had legendary duels in the past. Mihawk no longer considered Shanks a worthy challenger. Mihawk and Shanks are swordsman and Mihawk is the WSS so he is stronger than Shanks.
First page is interesting
Mihawk doesn't know how strong Whitebeard truly is and he wants to test it
It shows he's still looking for challenges against those stronger than him
Kinda explains why he lost interest in Shanks after he lost his arm
Btw Shanks looks cool clashing with Shirohige and Akainu but if they stop fighting 1 second later it doesn't mean much don't you think
 
#40
First page is interesting
Mihawk doesn't know how strong Whitebeard truly is and he wants to test it
It shows he's still looking for challenges against those stronger than him
Kinda explains why he lost interest in Shanks after he lost his arm
Btw Shanks looks cool clashing with Shirohige and Akainu but if they stop fighting 1 second later it doesn't mean much don't you think

It means more when they don't bother fighting back lol. Shanks STOPPED Kaido. Shanks STOPPED Akainu.

Imagine jumping through this many hoops to downplay a Yonko. Weird
 
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