Powers & Abilities Sword skill (without haki) is a myth: Haki makes a master swordsman

[uyuu]

This is the impact zone when Shanks's slash attack hits. What does it look like to you, a slash mark maybe
S.L.A.S.H M.A.R.K..

That looks like blood splattering everywhere for me tho? Kidd's entire torso was diagonally erased by the impact zone / blast direction along Shanks' movement. And see the lower part of the railgun crushed into little bits like being smashed by hammer instead of being precisely cut?

 

[Roo]

People trying to decipher haki and swordsmanship like Oda hasn't done a horrible job with both concepts lol

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

I'll be 100% honest and some people may find this take absurd but yes I think Mihawk can defeat zoro even with a butter knife if both dont use Haki (he won't negg but still win) simply because that their strength difference is still that huge.

As you said in one of your previous post, Mihawk should be able to do a flying slash hundred times bigger than zoro's flying slash (even without haki) but this is not due to skill. Its just that Mihawk is that much stronger than him even now.

Even if you disagree with my take, your argument is a bit flawed. Zoro has obviously grown since pre-ts but not in some traditional sense of skill, he has grown immensely strong physically and is right now developing his Haki to peak levels.

Think back to pre-ts, zoro defeated hachi(6 sword style) ,kaku(4 sword style) with his santoryu which perfectly depicted his skill. But he still fell short to Kuma and Kizaru even with all his skills and that is exactly why he spent TS training haki and getting even stronger physically. All his skill is absolutely useless without those 2 other factors.

And this is my main reasoning that Strength and Haki are the 2 most important factors for victory in a sword fight or generally any fight in One Piece. Skill is minor factor to determine victory in a fight. One piece entire premise is that the person with more will power is the victor and what does will power translate to in one piece? The answer is Haki.

I'll present you a hypothetical situation to prove my point.
Lets equal both zoro and mihawk's skill and both aren't allowed to use haki. Both are allowed their primary weapons. Who do you think wins?

You'd have an exact replication of the Zoro vs Ryuma fight.

Speaking of that fight, it's the perfect example of why skill matters. There is a point in the fight where Zombie Ryuma, uses one of Brooks thrusts attacks, and it ends up causing a piercing blast through the concrete. Upon seeing it, Brook replies, that he has never had that effect, when using the exact same technique. He then goes on to say, he didn't even know you could use a thrust like that.

So here we have two people, using the same exact attack, and one of them uses it way better than the other one, and the other one being shocked that the attack could be used in such a way. That is 100 percent reflection of Ryuma's skills, and Brooks lack there of. It has nothing to do with Haki, or strength. It was completely skill based.

And not for nothing, but Vista can match Mihawk blow for blow in physical strength. So would that mean if we did the same scenario as before, with removing haki, and replacing Mihawk with Vista, then Vista should be able to neg current Zoro with a pin knife as well, right?

 

[HA001]

Tf you lying for ?

Zombie had 0 of ryumas SWORD SKILL
It was different from Brooks solely because of superior physical strength

You'd have an exact replication of the Zoro vs Ryuma fight.

Speaking of that fight, it's the perfect example of why skill matters. There is a point in the fight where Zombie Ryuma, uses one of Brooks thrusts attacks, and it ends up causing a piercing blast through the concrete. Upon seeing it, Brook replies, that he has never had that effect, when using the exact same technique. He then goes on to say, he didn't even know you could use a thrust like that.

So here we have two people, using the same exact attack, and one of them uses it way better than the other one, and the other one being shocked that the attack could be used in such a way. That is 100 percent reflection of Ryuma's skills, and Brooks lack there of. It has nothing to do with Haki, or strength. It was completely skill based.

And not for nothing, but Vista can match Mihawk blow for blow in physical strength. So would that mean if we did the same scenario as before, with removing haki, and replacing Mihawk with Vista, then Vista should be able to neg current Zoro with a pin knife as well, right?

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Tf you lying for ?

Zombie had 0 of ryumas SWORD SKILL
It was different from Brooks solely because of superior physical strength

The scene I mentioned in literally in the manga.... Smh..

 

[L55]

You'd have an exact replication of the Zoro vs Ryuma fight.

Speaking of that fight, it's the perfect example of why skill matters. There is a point in the fight where Zombie Ryuma, uses one of Brooks thrusts attacks, and it ends up causing a piercing blast through the concrete. Upon seeing it, Brook replies, that he has never had that effect, when using the exact same technique. He then goes on to say, he didn't even know you could use a thrust like that.

So here we have two people, using the same exact attack, and one of them uses it way better than the other one, and the other one being shocked that the attack could be used in such a way. That is 100 percent reflection of Ryuma's skills, and Brooks lack there of. It has nothing to do with Haki, or strength. It was completely skill based.

And not for nothing, but Vista can match Mihawk blow for blow in physical strength. So would that mean if we did the same scenario as before, with removing haki, and replacing Mihawk with Vista, then Vista should be able to neg current Zoro with a pin knife as well, right?

He does it differently bcs zombie ryuma was way stronger than brook
Proves how skill is worthless if ur not strong fast haki etc

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

He does it differently bcs zombie ryuma was way stronger than brook
Proves how skill is worthless if ur not strong fast haki etc

That doesn't even make any sense.

 

[Halyup]

@Erkan12 why after zolo got acoc his new title is master swordsman

Shanks Master swordsman
Zoro Master swordsman
Mihawk Worlds Strongest Swordsman

 

[LolonoisZolo]

The scene I mentioned in literally in the manga.... Smh..

It is in the manga indeed but how is it due to skill when Ryuma was a corpse with Brook's shadow ?
A corpse can remember old technique? But then why did he keep using Brook's ?
It was clearly due to strength...

 

[L55]

That doesn't even make any sense.

It does
What zombie ryuma did was a flying thrust like zoro does flying slashes
Zoro needed to get to certain level of strenght(phisically) to do them
Since zombie ryuma is way stronger than brook he can do them

 

[Jack D. Jobber]

He does it differently bcs zombie ryuma was way stronger than brook
Proves how skill is worthless if ur not strong fast haki etc

It is in the manga indeed but how is it due to skill when Ryuma was a corpse with Brook's shadow ?
A corpse can remember old technique? But then why did he keep using Brook's ?
It was clearly due to strength...

It does

Or it could've been, you know, fucking Shusui.
Which the exact same thing happened to Zoro when he used it, pointing out how his flying slashes were way stronger and heavier.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

It does
What zombie ryuma did was a flying thrust like zoro does flying slashes
Zoro needed to get to certain level of strenght(phisically) to do them
Since zombie ryuma is way stronger than brook he can do them

It has nothing to do with strength, otherwise literally all of Zoro's attacks would cause flying slashes as a byproduct.

 

[L55]

Or it could've been, you know, fucking Shusui.
Which the exact same thing happened to Zoro when he used it, pointing out how his flying slashes were way stronger and heavier.

Its not shusui bcs to do a flying slash u need to be phisically strong
Give shusui to east blue zoro and he wont do no flying slash

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It has nothing to do with strength, otherwise literally all of Zoro's attacks would cause flying slashes as a byproduct.

Then why east blue zoro couldnt do them?

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Its not shusui bcs to do a flying slash u need to be phisically strong
Give shusui to east blue zoro and he wont do no flying slash

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Then why east blue zoro couldnt do them?

That does nothing to refute my argument.

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

That doesn't even make any sense.

It does, Stephen's script has this translation =>

Ryuma: "Aubade Coup Droit"!!!

Brook: Whoaaaa!!

Franky: Is it a PISTOL?!!

Brook: No... A jab!!
But when I do it, that doesn't happen!!!

Franky: He smashed open a vent.

Brook: Impossible! He sent that jab flying...
How much muscle must that take...?!

https://web.archive.org/web/2009092...ascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/chapter467.txt

 

[L55]

It does, Stephen's script has this translation =>

Ryuma: "Aubade Coup Droit"!!!

Brook: Whoaaaa!!

Franky: Is it a PISTOL?!!

Brook: No... A jab!!
But when I do it, that doesn't happen!!!

Franky: He smashed open a vent.

Brook: Impossible! He sent that jab flying...
How much muscle must that take...?!

https://web.archive.org/web/2009092...ascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/chapter467.txt

@Celestial D. Dragon but it doesnt make sense smh

 

[HA001]

Proving physical strength and haki >>> Sword skill

Which is why zoro uses the same sword skill like oni giri from his intro Just stronger because of his increase in haki and strength

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

It does, Stephen's script has this translation =>

Ryuma: "Aubade Coup Droit"!!!

Brook: Whoaaaa!!

Franky: Is it a PISTOL?!!

Brook: No... A jab!!
But when I do it, that doesn't happen!!!

Franky: He smashed open a vent.

Brook: Impossible! He sent that jab flying...
How much muscle must that take...?!

https://web.archive.org/web/2009092...ascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/chapter467.txt

Cnet128 translates it differently. Will check the sub and dub to see which one is universally used.

Page 19:
Ryuuma: Aubade Coup Droit (Dawn Serenade Direct Stike) *Trans Note: I do not speak French. After researching it for a while, the phonetic pronunciation is of Droit is "doruwah" which roughly matched the katakana. Iwanin gets credit for identifying this as a fencing term*
Zoro: Uwoooooh!!
Franky: A pistol?!!
Brook: A th...!! A thrust.
Brook: I've used that technique, but it''s never resulted in that!!!

 

[Toonpiece]

What are you guys here is smoking? Sword skills is real. I believe swordskills is related to observation haki. I believe observation haki make someone a skilled fighter no matter your fighting style is. Swordskills matter cause you

need to parry and shit. It make sense. Haki is there as enhancers. Observation haki make you a skilled fighter. Armament haki and acoc increase your AP/cutting attack. A sword quality also very important. The greater the quality of the blade. The better the AP/cutting

power and durability of of that sword. Then haki is the to just enchance it. For shanks to be hakiman(which don't exist)His sword grypon should not be supreme blade. If his sword grypon is the same grade as yoru mihawk. Then mihawk observation haki is

better than shanks. Which make him greater sword skilled. Mihawk were not known as the most skilled swordman but strongest
swordman. Which mean mihawk AP/cutting power is greater than shanks. Which mean

mihawk acoc and armament is greater than shanks. So you better pray shanks sword grypon is not supreme blade. If it is surpreme blade then shanks is a swordmans too like Roger. Roger also is not hakiman. He is using surpreme blade.

 

[mly90]

Loda will probably retcon importance skills when he unleashes Mihawk but those skills will be backed up by highest level of haki
Top tier haki is what makes those skills shine