Powers & Abilities Sword skill (without haki) is a myth: Haki makes a master swordsman

[Rootbeer]

I disagree.

Sword skill is swordsmanship.
When Oda states that Mihawk has even greater sword skill than Shanks, it means he has better swordsmanship. And since being a swordsman = using swordsmanship, then it follows logically that the statement means Mihawk is a better swordsman than Shanks.

Skill with the sword cannot be separated from other stats like haki and strength.

To support this, the statement continues with "As the strongest swordsman in the world..."

lt's redundant and pointless in the first place.. The World Strongest Swordsman has better Swords Skills than a Yonko Swordsman..
Really?.. Who would have never guessed..

Greater Swords Skills =/= Stronger Overall
Stronger Swordsman =/= Stronger Overall

They didn't say that he was Stronger than Shanks..

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

Cnet128 translates it differently. Will check the sub and dub to see which one is universally used.

Page 19:
Ryuuma: Aubade Coup Droit (Dawn Serenade Direct Stike) *Trans Note: I do not speak French. After researching it for a while, the phonetic pronunciation is of Droit is "doruwah" which roughly matched the katakana. Iwanin gets credit for identifying this as a fencing term*
Zoro: Uwoooooh!!
Franky: A pistol?!!
Brook: A th...!! A thrust.
Brook: I've used that technique, but it''s never resulted in that!!!

Give it up, sword skill is a myth!

Cnet started translating way later, you won't find his translation for that chapter

 

[Rootbeer]

Give it up, sword skill is a myth!

Cnet started translating way later, you won't find his translation for that chapter

Obviously technical Sword skills are irrelevant.. Even katakuri is considered a Swordsman in One Piece..

 

[zzShinichi]

lt's redundant and pointless in the first place.. The World Strongest Swordsman has better Swords Skills than a Yonko Swordsman..
Really?.. Who would have never guessed..

Greater Swords Skills =/= Stronger Overall
Stronger Swordsman =/= Stronger Overall

They didn't say that he was Stronger than Shanks..

Shanks = Swordman
Mihawk = World Strongest Swordman
World Strongest Swordman > Swordman
Mihawk > Shanks

 

[Rootbeer]

It does, Stephen's script has this translation =>

Ryuma: "Aubade Coup Droit"!!!

Brook: Whoaaaa!!

Franky: Is it a PISTOL?!!

Brook: No... A jab!!
But when I do it, that doesn't happen!!!

Franky: He smashed open a vent.

Brook: Impossible! He sent that jab flying...
How much muscle must that take...?!

https://web.archive.org/web/2009092...ascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/chapter467.txt

Look Japanese is not rocket science..

lt literally says "kinryoku" which translate to "Muscle Strenght" .. Case Closed..

 

[langitbarat]

You guys forgetting something vital.

If what y'all said is true, does it means you can't be WSS if you weren't born with CoC?

For example, could a Zoro with Strength Strength Fruit wins versus a Zoro with AdCoC?

 

[HA001]

You guys forgetting something vital.







If what y'all said is true, does it means you can't be WSS if you weren't born with CoC?

No

 

[Rootbeer]

Shanks = Swordman
Mihawk = World Strongest Swordman
World Strongest Swordman > Swordman
Mihawk > Shanks

lf it were that simple..

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

If what y'all said is true, does it means you can't be WSS if you weren't born with CoC?

No, you cant

 

[ShadyOjiro]

It has nothing to do with strength, otherwise literally all of Zoro's attacks would cause flying slashes as a byproduct.

It's the zombie body.

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You guys forgetting something vital.

If what y'all said is true, does it means you can't be WSS if you weren't born with CoC?

For example, could a Zoro with Strength Strength Fruit wins versus a Zoro with AdCoC?

I think you need it.

 

[Gauntlet]

You guys forgetting something vital.

If what y'all said is true, does it means you can't be WSS if you weren't born with CoC?

For example, could a Zoro with Strength Strength Fruit wins versus a Zoro with AdCoC?

Haki is the end all be all in Agenda Piece. If you don't have AdCoC, then you're shit out of luck. Better luck next life.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Give it up, sword skill is a myth!

Cnet started translating way later, you won't find his translation for that chapter

Lmao... I just posted his translation. I think you need to give it up. Skill matters...

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

Lmao... I just posted his translation. I think you need to give it up. Skill matters...

My bad, he started around chapter 463.

Anyway, his translation is:

Franky: Now we've got some ventilation.
Brooke: For his thrust to fly... / How much sheer strength must he have...?!

https://mangahelpers.com/t/cnet128/releases/333

Oda fooled you simpletons, there is no sword skill, only haki

 

[zzShinichi]

Brooke: It means that they are both users of the "power of skills destruction"... // This fight should not be a long one.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

My bad, he started around chapter 463.

Anyway, his translation is:

Franky: Now we've got some ventilation.
Brooke: For his thrust to fly... / How much sheer strength must he have...?!

https://mangahelpers.com/t/cnet128/releases/333

Oda fooled you simpletons, there is no sword skill, only haki

Sure sure... Funny how Mihawk made no mention to Zoro that he had to learn haki to become the World's Strongest Swordsman. Only told him to learn it, so he'd stop breaking his Swords.

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

Funny how Mihawk made no mention to Zoro that he had to learn haki to become the World's Strongest Swordsman.

One could argue Mihawk saw Zoro's haki potential, i.e. willpower all the way back at Baratie =>

Mihawk: YES.
THAT WOULD BE DEFEAT.

Zoro: Hehe... Exactly why I can't step back.

Mihawk: Even if you die?

Zoro: I would WELCOME death.

Mihawk: {What strong resolution...!!!
He will take death over defeat.}
Boy... Tell me your name.

- Page 140 -

Zoro: Roronoa Zoro.

Mihawk: I will remember it.
I have not seen such "strength" in some time.
And with the courtesy of the swordsman,
I will sink you with my ebony blade, the strongest in the world.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Haven't even gotten to read this thread yet and in 1 day it's gotten to 17 pages.

 

[ranady]

It has nothing to do with strength, otherwise literally all of Zoro's attacks would cause flying slashes as a byproduct.

It does.

Brook admitted that Zombie Ryuma has the same sword style a.k.a swordskill as him, but what makes Zombie Ryuma prevailed is the power/strength difference.

And also, Brook said he can do the same thrust technique (which means a sword skill) like Zombie Ryuma did, but the outcome would be different with Brook coming out as inferior.

Following what he said, in the the next page, he then continued highlighting (again) about the strength Zombie Ryuma had to make such big hole with that thrust technique.

And finally, Zolo also brought up about Zombie Ryuma's strength which gave Zolo a run for his money. The battle between Zolo and Zombie Ryuma isn't only about sword skills but also heavily reliant on strength so that it even could impact on the likelihood of Zolo's sword getting broken in the end.

 

[ShadowStyle369]

Sure sure... Funny how Mihawk made no mention to Zoro that he had to learn haki to become the World's Strongest Swordsman. Only told him to learn it, so he'd stop breaking his Swords.

Lmao ok u got me… how in the hell can a swordsman become the worlds strongest swordsman if at some point every blade will break because of ware and tare and not using haki??? Mihawk puts zoro over all other swordsmen who can not use haki like zoro can , and even in Zoro vs king we see that Zoro haki’d up blade breaks kings haki’d up blade him telling zoro to learn it so his blades would stop breaking is no different than Rayleigh telling luffy no meat until u get observation haki down pat the masters both out there pupils on the train to success

 

[HellBlazer04]

You'd have an exact replication of the Zoro vs Ryuma fight.

Speaking of that fight, it's the perfect example of why skill matters. There is a point in the fight where Zombie Ryuma, uses one of Brooks thrusts attacks, and it ends up causing a piercing blast through the concrete. Upon seeing it, Brook replies, that he has never had that effect, when using the exact same technique. He then goes on to say, he didn't even know you could use a thrust like that.

So here we have two people, using the same exact attack, and one of them uses it way better than the other one, and the other one being shocked that the attack could be used in such a way. That is 100 percent reflection of Ryuma's skills, and Brooks lack there of. It has nothing to do with Haki, or strength. It was completely skill based.

And not for nothing, but Vista can match Mihawk blow for blow in physical strength. So would that mean if we did the same scenario as before, with removing haki, and replacing Mihawk with Vista, then Vista should be able to neg current Zoro with a pin knife as well, right?

This is going to be long answer so bear with me here.

Like the others that have pointed out in the thread, the Brook-Ryuuma thing proves exactly why skill is a minor factor in winning a fight. Note: im saying minor factor here

Notice how Brook points out the attack Ryuma used is exact replica of his but yet he cant make a flying thrust while Ryuma can do it. He also explicitly points out Ryuma's strength here "How Strong Is He" while saying that there was no difference is technique.

Another point i wanna bring and you can correct me if im wrong here(my memory is not perfect). Brook even now in Post-Ts cant use flying slashes. Its not like he is lacking in skill, he can perfectly perform Iai (draw & resheath) Techniques. Iai requires heavy amounts of focus and precision to perform. And yet Brook having that much skill still cant perform flying slash.
The simple reason is that his body is not strong enough to muster up the amount of physical force required for a flying slash.

Now to address your Vista argument
Vista matched a Mihawk that was severely holding back, for like 1 min max. I dont consider databooks canon but lets say for the sake of this argument they are which state Mihawk's skill = Vista's skill.

So if Vista and Zoro's skill are equalled and both are restricted to use haki and both are going all out, Zoro would still win due higher physical strength.

If it was Mihawk(going all out) instead of Vista with same conditions, Mihawk would defeat zoro because he is still physically stronger than Zoro.