Powers & Abilities Sword skill (without haki) is a myth: Haki makes a master swordsman

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

Do you realize we didn't have Haki for the 40% of the series? xD

Do you realize Shanks used CoC in chapter 1?

there must be certain Haki skills that are not counted in Swordsmanship.

That makes sense. However, AdCoC is the end all be all in this series, Luffy was useless against Kaido with AdCoA. Once a swordsman has AdCoC, I dont see the point of having AdCoA anymore. There was this SBS where Oda said Luffy will specialize in CoC, Zoro on CoA and Sanji on CoO. I've started to think Oda may have scrapped that idea.

 

[bennbeckman]

There is a reason why Kaido said Haki Transcends All

 

[Rootbeer]

tells me there must be certain Haki skills that are not counted in Swordsmanship.

Exactly AdCoC is not related to Swordsmanship which i find hilarious everyone trying to say Zoro has AdCoC when
it is not even on the path to the Pinnacle of Swordsmanship..

 

[Buggy D Clown]

Exactly AdCoC is not related to Swordsmanship which i find hilarious everyone trying to say Zoro has AdCoC when
it is not even on the path to the Pinnacle of Swordsmanship..

Why would you find hilarious that people are going by manga instead of your headcanon?

 

[Rootbeer]

Why would you find hilarious that people are going by manga instead of your headcanon?

Because they love Zoro and they do not get the fundamental rule of a Swordsman aiming for the WSS path, the peak of Swordsmanship.. AdCoC goes against the very essence of Swordsmanship.. That is why there will be another CoC application something like CoC infusion or CoC hardening specifically for Swordsmen..

 

[Artem]

Aren't you tired of arguing with a not very smart person who denies what is shown in the manga and carries some nonsense inventing his own haki modes?

 

[wordy]

Sword styles in OP seem like more of a personality trait than a fighting technique. And we hardly ever see two opposing styles matched up against each other in a Rurouni Kenshin way, or something like Hajime no Ippo where every character has a special style with known strengths and weaknesses. Like no one makes a fighting strategy based on their opponent's style in OP.

Individual sword skills exist, but they're not always tied to a style and skills seem pretty varied. Haki, willpower, and physical strength mean more to the battles than any vague sword style.

Brook is the only one I can think of that almost always uses the same defined style. His iaido is cool but it's not a specific threat to anyone.

 

[Sentry22]

Example of Sword skill with zero Haki:

Example of Haki with zero sword skill:

Doesn't take a genius to know that Shanks and Roger are both Haki specialists who were also skilled at using swords.

 

[Guymieux]

Example of Sword skill with zero Haki:

Example of Haki with zero sword skill:

Doesn't take a genius to know that Shanks and Roger are both Haki specialists who were also skilled at using swords.

Your example for “sword skill” is just Mihawk showing off his overwhelming strength! So like we’ve always said skill equals power . Your example for shanks haki is literally things zoro can also do so I’m failing to exactly see what’s your point here ? Shanks and Roger fight the same exact way as zoro. Coating Coc haki and making fodders faint . I guess zoro is a haki specialist to genius

 

[CbShadow]

Example of Sword skill with zero Haki:

Example of Haki with zero sword skill:

Doesn't take a genius to know that Shanks and Roger are both Haki specialists who were also skilled at using swords.

We already know swordsman can use haki without a sword.

Shanks and Roger aren't special in that way.

 

[Monkey D Monkey]

Do you realize Shanks used CoC in chapter 1?

That makes sense. However, AdCoC is the end all be all in this series, Luffy was useless against Kaido with AdCoA. Once a swordsman has AdCoC, I dont see the point of having AdCoA anymore. There was this SBS where Oda said Luffy will specialize in CoC, Zoro on CoA and Sanji on CoO. I've started to think Oda may have scrapped that idea.

I don't think coating is going to be the only aspect of AdCoC. If you can use AdCoC to coat, you should be able to use AdCoC to observe too. I'm not sure where VoaT falls in things ether.

I also don't think that AdCoC will be the pinnacle in the series, as IMU has been hinted at to not having a DF since the Sea is opposition to DF and I don't think IMU is just going to have the strongest AdCoC as his/her power.

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Exactly AdCoC is not related to Swordsmanship which i find hilarious everyone trying to say Zoro has AdCoC when
it is not even on the path to the Pinnacle of Swordsmanship..

I don't agree with this AdCoC is related to Swordsmanship as it helps someone cut better. However not all aspects of AdCoC will be related to Swordsmanship. Like I said about AdCoC can probably be used to observe and not just coat, which isn't all related to Swordsmanship.

 

[L55]

I don't agree with this AdCoC is related to Swordsmanship as it helps someone cut better. However not all aspects of AdCoC will be related to Swordsmanship. Like I said about AdCoC can probably be used to observe and not just coat, which isn't all related to Swordsmanship.

Haki is not a fighting style

 

[JayKitetsu]

You know it's funny how people say Shanks/Roger aren't swordsmen but are fine with saying Rayleigh is a swordsman despite him having a better case than the former two since he:
- Used internal destruction
- Stopped Kizaru with a kick
- Taught Luffy Haki for 2 years with no sword
- Used a Haki barrier against an elephant with his bare hands

The "Hakimen" have only used their swords when engaging in combat...how strange

 

[L55]

You know it's funny how people say Shanks/Roger aren't swordsmen but are fine with saying Rayleigh is a swordsman despite him having a better case than the former two since he:
- Used internal destruction
- Stopped Kizaru with a kick
- Taught Luffy Haki for 2 years with no sword
- Used a Haki barrier against an elephant with his bare hands

The "Hakimen" have only used their swords when engaging in combat...how strange

Hyogoro used acoa punch vs the gifter
Zoro used conq to ko fodders
Zoro kicked punched multiple times
Used barier to push king away from taking his swords
Even zoro has more reasons to be called a hakiman than shanks and roger

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

Give Tashigi, Shanks haki, and she would still lose to Dressrosa Zoro.

Give Tashigi Mihawk's level of Swordsmanship, and she'd be able to put up a fight against current Zoro.

Skill contributes more than haki, but in order to be the Strongest Swordsman you need both top tier skill and top tier haki.

You could have the strongest haki on the planet, but if you're an average fighter, then it's useless.

Cap. Haki >>>> All.

Zoro stated that he wants to Perfect his swordsmanship by being able to release his full power in his sword attacks . Which means he wants to release his physical full strength and haki into his attacks.

Swordsmanship is a fighting style. Would tashigi be stronger than dressrossa soro if she had ace fruit? No because she doesn't have the physicality to back it up. Would she be stronger than Zoro if she was a cyborg like Franky? No since she would still have nothing on her sleeve from am AP standpoint to defeat dressrossa Zoro.

Her having shanks haki would put her in the best position. However she would still not have shanks physicallity so it would be a toss up

 

[Rootbeer]

Cap. Haki >>>> All.

Zoro stated that he wants to Perfect his swordsmanship by being able to release his full power in his sword attacks . Which means he wants to release his physical full strength and haki into his attacks.

Swordsmanship is a fighting style. Would tashigi be stronger than dressrossa soro if she had ace fruit? No because she doesn't have the physicality to back it up. Would she be stronger than Zoro if she was a cyborg like Franky? No since she would still have nothing on her sleeve from am AP standpoint to defeat dressrossa Zoro.

Her having shanks haki would put her in the best position. However she would still not have shanks physicallity so it would be a toss up

But AdCoC is not in the Sword it's around the Swords which is why Zoro does not have it..

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Cap. Haki >>>> All.

Zoro stated that he wants to Perfect his swordsmanship by being able to release his full power in his sword attacks . Which means he wants to release his physical full strength and haki into his attacks.

Swordsmanship is a fighting style. Would tashigi be stronger than dressrossa soro if she had ace fruit? No because she doesn't have the physicality to back it up. Would she be stronger than Zoro if she was a cyborg like Franky? No since she would still have nothing on her sleeve from am AP standpoint to defeat dressrossa Zoro.

Her having shanks haki would put her in the best position. However she would still not have shanks physicallity so it would be a toss up

Haki>>>>>>>all but Sword skill doesn't matter.

Haki >>>>>>>>> all but physicality matters.

You can't have it both ways. She either demolishes him because she has Shanks level of Haki, or Zoro demolishes her because she severely lacks in all other categories, including Sword Skills.

 

[Afroking]

But AdCoC is not in the Sword it's around the Swords which is why Zoro does not have it..

I am just a bystander congratulating you on your efforts at mental gymnastics. Your agitation for sticking up to that agenda is truly remarkable.

But I am curious,Did Kaidou not use flowing Coc(the so called adcoc) in his club?
He constantly touched Luffy with it while it was augmented by his coc..What did Kaidou use there?

 

[Rootbeer]

I am just a bystander congratulating you on your efforts at mental gymnastics. Your agitation for sticking up to that agenda is truly remarkable.

But I am curious,Did Kaidou not use flowing Coc(the so called adcoc) in his club?
He constantly touched Luffy with it while it was augmented by his coc..What did Kaidou use there?

Ty friend..

The most important moment to that for the readers is when AdCoC is fully revealed with Luffy on chapter 1010..
Then Chapter 1011 you can see when Kaido is using AdCoC he is not touching.. That's a main feature of AdCoC which won't always
be drawn on panel.. Oh i forgot to say that he did not use AdCoC on his kanabo but around it..

And the last chapter Shanks used AdCoC based Kamusari on Kid and did not touch him.. Completely different than Roger..

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

Haki>>>>>>>all but Sword skill doesn't matter.

Haki >>>>>>>>> all but physicality matters.

You can't have it both ways. She either demolishes him because she has Shanks level of Haki, or Zoro demolishes her because she severely lacks in all other categories, including Sword Skills.

Bullshit. Swordsmanship is an extension of physical prowess and fighting style. Already debunked your silly point. Fighting style alone will never win fights on the verse. Haki and physical prowess are needed on top of ones fighting style