Fanclub Temple of The Grandmaster Zoro
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What kind of question is that? The answer is power-ups. Luffy rose from Doflamingo's level to YC1+ with a single power-up, and Zoro had already had one power-up this arc without even fighting for it, so there will be more to come. Zoro might have much more growth in this arc that Luffy had during WCI. Stop using Oden as an argument. Zoro isn't Oden's level yet. We'll see just how much Zoro will have to improve to reach his level
But... that’s what I’m saying. You get powerups through fighting in life or death situations, that’s a canon fact established by Rayleigh. Luffy was able to do that in very specific circumstances (Mirror World, Brulee etc) but Zoro hasn’t had that opportunity. Luffy faced Katakuri in two rounds and only barely won, with Katakuri being the perfect opponent to teach Luffy new tricks. I don’t see how you can discuss Wano Zoro without mentioning Oden seeing as Oda has continually set up Oden as a goal for Zoro.
How much stronger does a new sword even make you anyway? If you equipped Mihawk with Shusui instead of Yoru, would he get weaker? How much weaker? What if he tried to fight with Gryphon? Shouldn’t Mihawk still be able to cut everything even with a standard issue marine sword because all he needs is Ryuou? At the end of the day, what matters most is the wielder’s base stats and mastery of Ryuou or haki. Which Zoro still needs to improve to a level that surpasses Oden’s.
How much stronger does a new sword even make you anyway? If you equipped Mihawk with Shusui instead of Yoru, would he get weaker? How much weaker? What if he tried to fight with Gryphon? Shouldn’t Mihawk still be able to cut everything even with a standard issue marine sword because all he needs is Ryuou? At the end of the day, what matters most is the wielder’s base stats and mastery of Ryuou or haki. Which Zoro still needs to improve to a level that surpasses Oden’s.
Being irrelevant to Luffy has nothing to do with the quality of an opponent, get your head checked.
Just because Beckman and Marco are irrelevant as opponents to Luffy doesnt mean they are below Katakuri. In fact, Beckman has far more hype than Katakuri.
Yc1's are Yc1's, irrelevant whether they take on Luffy or Zoro. And since Beckman might be paired with Zoro it seems like of all Yc1's, the one to go against Zoro is the best one. Hard to digest, I know.
Idk whether Zoro will ever take on a CoC user but there is nothing special about them aside from being able to humiliate fodder, something Zoro does through sheer fear, on a Logia.
King is a far more lethal Marco with worse endurance since his fruit isnt regenerating everything. Again, far more lethal.
Marco has special fruit, King is a special race, the only one left, soon about to be extinct.
Yeah, go Jack-sama!
Just because Beckman and Marco are irrelevant as opponents to Luffy doesnt mean they are below Katakuri. In fact, Beckman has far more hype than Katakuri.
Yc1's are Yc1's, irrelevant whether they take on Luffy or Zoro. And since Beckman might be paired with Zoro it seems like of all Yc1's, the one to go against Zoro is the best one. Hard to digest, I know.
Idk whether Zoro will ever take on a CoC user but there is nothing special about them aside from being able to humiliate fodder, something Zoro does through sheer fear, on a Logia.
King is a far more lethal Marco with worse endurance since his fruit isnt regenerating everything. Again, far more lethal.
Marco has special fruit, King is a special race, the only one left, soon about to be extinct.
Yeah, go Jack-sama!
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Read my comment again please. That's not what I meant. You're already comparing current Zoro to Oden in order to somehow prove Zoro was above Luffy. Like I said, Zoro will have to undergo a LOT of growth to surpass Oden this arc, more that Luffy did up to this point.
Once again, I'm not arguing whether or not one sword is stronger than the other, but the matter of fact is Zoro will become much stronger due to training with Enma.
Post-Enma Zoro > Pre-Enma training Zoro
just like post-fs Luffy > pre-fs Luffy
Do you understand? Both are power-ups
Once again, I'm not arguing whether or not one sword is stronger than the other, but the matter of fact is Zoro will become much stronger due to training with Enma.
Post-Enma Zoro > Pre-Enma training Zoro
just like post-fs Luffy > pre-fs Luffy
Do you understand? Both are power-ups
And that’s what I’m saying, it doesn’t make sense given that Luffy is the protagonist, has the highest growth rate and yet was only able to achieve that through very specific circumstances. Why would Zoro’s growth rate randomly overtake Luffy’s for one arc while contradicting what Rayleigh said about repeated life or death combat being the best way to get stronger? The only logical conclusion is that Zoro started from a higher base.
I’m actually confused as to how Enma will make Zoro stronger. How does a higher grade sword affect how strong a swordsman is? If Zoro is arguing that training with Enma may improve his control over CoA, fair enough. But that doesn’t mean much for his performance in actual combat or learning new skills. A top tier swordsman shouldn’t really get stronger or weaker with a different sword, because what allows them to cut shit is Ryuou, not the sword itself. If Zoro trained with Shodai Kitetsu, how much stronger would he become as opposed to training with Enma? What about swapping Wado Ichimonji for Gryphon? What’s the difference? Does he still get stronger? How much stronger? How do you measure that?
Maybe all of this is a case of poor power progression, but Sabaody Zoro >= Sabaody Luffy makes more sense than Zoro’s growth rate randomly overtaking Luffy’s for a single arc.
I’m actually confused as to how Enma will make Zoro stronger. How does a higher grade sword affect how strong a swordsman is? If Zoro is arguing that training with Enma may improve his control over CoA, fair enough. But that doesn’t mean much for his performance in actual combat or learning new skills. A top tier swordsman shouldn’t really get stronger or weaker with a different sword, because what allows them to cut shit is Ryuou, not the sword itself. If Zoro trained with Shodai Kitetsu, how much stronger would he become as opposed to training with Enma? What about swapping Wado Ichimonji for Gryphon? What’s the difference? Does he still get stronger? How much stronger? How do you measure that?
Maybe all of this is a case of poor power progression, but Sabaody Zoro >= Sabaody Luffy makes more sense than Zoro’s growth rate randomly overtaking Luffy’s for a single arc.
ummmm seems like the point passes above you pal and you resort to a harshly attitude or simply decide to not face it
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How a sword improves his remaining stats aside from damage output ( if we can even say such cuz Ryuo lvl is what decides that) ?
Answer is ..it doesn't ,this is a not a RPG game where a sword gives you +SPD,+Skill,etc.
Only way logically see it is that his stats aside from "Ryuo" were already high before Enma .
Enma will not give him a new set of tecniques , speed tactics or some shit .....it will be same Zoro but a higher "Damage" output only ( once fully mastered even and after a difficult fight cuz that's the way Haki grows).
Idk how a brain can work like that and not be at a mental hospital.
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How a sword improves his remaining stats aside from damage output ( if we can even say such cuz Ryuo lvl is what decides that) ?
Answer is ..it doesn't ,this is a not a RPG game where a sword gives you +SPD,+Skill,etc.
Only way logically see it is that his stats aside from "Ryuo" were already high before Enma .
Enma will not give him a new set of tecniques , speed tactics or some shit .....it will be same Zoro but a higher "Damage" output only ( once fully mastered even and after a difficult fight cuz that's the way Haki grows).
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Idk how a brain can work like that and not be at a mental hospital.
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I don’t really understand how swords improve a user’s strength in One Piece. They just... generally don’t seem to matter. If they did, why isn’t Brook interested in getting a better sword? He’s been swinging around some random cane for the last century yet seems totally uninterested in obtaining a meito. Would it even make a difference if Brook was swinging around Nidai Kitetsu instead? He’d still get wrecked by pretty much any competent New World fighter.
It’s also interesting that you can actually upgrade a sword by being such a haki god that your haki stains the blade permanently black. In other words, the user’s haki matters more than the sword itself. Mihawk also never advised Zoro to look for better swords, but emphasised that Zoro should just train his CoA instead. Everything in this series seems to indicate that the wielder matters far more than the blade itself, so how is Zoro supposed to get that much stronger by switching from Shusui to Enma (which are actually both the same grade of sword)? It just doesn’t make any sense. The only thing that does make sense is if Sabaody Zoro was >= Sabaody Luffy, that way we don’t need to twist ourselves into mental pretzels trying to justify how and why his growth rate could ever overtake Luffy’s.
It’s also interesting that you can actually upgrade a sword by being such a haki god that your haki stains the blade permanently black. In other words, the user’s haki matters more than the sword itself. Mihawk also never advised Zoro to look for better swords, but emphasised that Zoro should just train his CoA instead. Everything in this series seems to indicate that the wielder matters far more than the blade itself, so how is Zoro supposed to get that much stronger by switching from Shusui to Enma (which are actually both the same grade of sword)? It just doesn’t make any sense. The only thing that does make sense is if Sabaody Zoro was >= Sabaody Luffy, that way we don’t need to twist ourselves into mental pretzels trying to justify how and why his growth rate could ever overtake Luffy’s.
Pre Enma Zoro and Post Enma Zoro is the same man except perhaps his AP and Haki control. Even then, it was due to his training to master the sword instead of the sword itself. As for his Speed, Strength, Agility, etc. It's still the same.
So it's a kind of ridiculous notion that the sword automatically make Zoro stronger. Sword is a mean for Zoro to train. And only after the training that Zoro trully became stronger
And as Mihawk told Zoro, "every sword could become a black blade like mine", meaning that so long as you have a great Haki, what sword you have is doesn't really matter. Haki fisrt, sword second.
So it's a kind of ridiculous notion that the sword automatically make Zoro stronger. Sword is a mean for Zoro to train. And only after the training that Zoro trully became stronger
And as Mihawk told Zoro, "every sword could become a black blade like mine", meaning that so long as you have a great Haki, what sword you have is doesn't really matter. Haki fisrt, sword second.
same level as shusui
