Powers & Abilities The actual ultimate thread on swordsmanship - Part 1

#81
What's the difference between Fujitora using his Devil Fruit powers with his Blade or without?.. None
So Fujitora's devil fruit powers with his Blade is not Swordsmanship..

Brook is using the same Word than Hyougoro is using when speaking of CoA Coating and that's '' Matou ''..
Brook is a special case where he can interact with his own soul.. It's not him directly him applying his devil fruit powers to his blade either.. He's probably mimicking an Haki ability that was not introduced yet which is CoO coating..

Law's Awakening gets a pass for being Swordsmanship..


Kaku is cap, he's like Don Krieg calling himself the Strongest man in the World.. Kaku does not become a Fourswordstyle because of his 2 legs.. Else he could call himself a Fourswordstyle user with his 2 arms and 2legs, that makes no sense..


Kizaru is not Swordsmanship because it's not a real Blade
Maser Saber is not Swordsmanship because it's a combination like Franky Docking Pirate, they are not coated or fused with Napoleon..
lol i love the copium in this post
anti-sword bros making a complete fool out of themselves trying to debunk whats in the manga and calling 90% of the proof just characters shit talking abt their own sword styles
 
#82
Let me explain something to you that you have a hard time understanding. You (reader) don't determine who are and aren't swordsmen, Oda does. Oda designed Kaku to be a 4 sword style swordsman that uses his two legs as swords so that's what he is. Plain and simple.
Oh yeah.. Then explain this to me..

Why has Kaku never sent a Flying Slash from his Blades?.. He's a Swordsman fraud.. That's a fact..

It's way harder to create a Flying Slash from a Sword than a Flying Slash from a Kick..
 
#83
Sword usage/variety is far more prominent and popular in OP cuz this is a Japanese manga written for a Japanese audience and Japanese history dictates that swords are the embodiment of shonen coolness and readership popularity itself.

Though I don’t really think Oda himself believes every attack used with a sword can be considered “swordsmanship,” just like how King channeling his Lunarian powers through his sword isn’t really swordsmanship.

 
#84
Oh yeah.. Then explain this to me..

Why has Kaku never sent a Flying Slash from his Blades?.. He's a Swordsman fraud.. That's a fact..

It's way harder to create a Flying Slash from a Sword than a Flying Slash from a Kick..
Does it really matter how he sends a flying slash. He might prefer to use his leg because he create stronger ones. Regardless, Oda tells us he's a swordsman so he's a swordsman.
 
#85
That's AdCoC no touch.. You're confusing AdCoC no touching and a Swordsman's intent to not cut..

Whether Shanks want to cut Kidd or not cut Kidd, when using AdCoC it will always be no cut because it's default no touch ability for AdCoC..

The not wanting to cut when you don't want of Koshiro and Hyougoro's phylosophy don't apply when using AdCoC.. That's why AdCoC is not Swordsmanship too..
i am not confusing anything lol No touching comes from Ryou as explained by the old man to luffy, a SWORDSMAN will use that same ability to cut steel or not cut steel depending on the intent of the swordsman. No where in the manga is it stated that Adv coc is the ability used to cut steel or not cut anything no where in the manga is it said that Advcoc makes a barrier it is RYOU.

Adv Coc can be infused into fist/weapons you must know how to flow your ryou in order to flow adv coc.

As a example Zoro is a swordsman using adv coc combining ryou his intent vs king was to Scar/ injure him that is exactly what happened he took his wing.

Roger as a swordsman using adv coc combining ryou (chose to not cut oden) the result sent oden flying damaging him internally.

Shanks as a swordsman using adv coc combining ryou (chose to cut through the steel rail gun but not cut kidd) the result with the explosion ko killer and kidd and left kidd without a scar.

ITS ALL ON THE INTENT OF THE SWORDSMAN WHICH IS A RYOU BASED ABILITY NOT ADVCOC THE ABILITIES ARE USED IN TANDEM

Luffy himself directly tells us what he is using when he does the no touch (RYOU), but we also know he is using adv coc in his final attack.


Ryou is the ability to not touch IT IS ALSO THE ABILITY USED BY SWORDSMEN TO CUT WHAT THEY WANT TO CUT AND NOT CUT A PIECE OF PAPER


roger can cut or not cut with divine departure

shanks can cut or not cut with divine departure

zoro can cut or not cut as well but as he himself said as a kid


He wants to cut up everything lol
 
#86
i am not confusing anything lol No touching comes from Ryou as explained by the old man to luffy, a SWORDSMAN will use that same ability to cut steel or not cut steel depending on the intent of the swordsman. No where in the manga is it stated that Adv coc is the ability used to cut steel or not cut anything no where in the manga is it said that Advcoc makes a barrier it is RYOU.

Adv Coc can be infused into fist/weapons you must know how to flow your ryou in order to flow adv coc.

As a example Zoro is a swordsman using adv coc combining ryou his intent vs king was to Scar/ injure him that is exactly what happened he took his wing.

Roger as a swordsman using adv coc combining ryou (chose to not cut oden) the result sent oden flying damaging him internally.

Shanks as a swordsman using adv coc combining ryou (chose to cut through the steel rail gun but not cut kidd) the result with the explosion ko killer and kidd and left kidd without a scar.

ITS ALL ON THE INTENT OF THE SWORDSMAN WHICH IS A RYOU BASED ABILITY NOT ADVCOC THE ABILITIES ARE USED IN TANDEM

Luffy himself directly tells us what he is using when he does the no touch (RYOU), but we also know he is using adv coc in his final attack.


Ryou is the ability to not touch IT IS ALSO THE ABILITY USED BY SWORDSMEN TO CUT WHAT THEY WANT TO CUT AND NOT CUT A PIECE OF PAPER


roger can cut or not cut with divine departure

shanks can cut or not cut with divine departure

zoro can cut or not cut as well but as he himself said as a kid


He wants to cut up everything lol
Are you ready for his answer? Its going to be this :-

CoC comes from the Mind it can't be infused like CoA that comes from the body. #Bougya
 
#89
for me
- swordsmanship is
A . any attack done from a blade
B . any attack that cuts things
C . any attack used along with a sword
Good Thread.

This can be simplified in a single statement as well:
Any attack done with a sword is swordsmanship.
It doesn't matter if you use Haki, DF or any other boost, only thing that matters is if the attack is done with a sword.

I've said this before as well, there is no such thing as Sword Skill in this series. And anyone who uses a sword as a primary form of combat is a Swordsman.
 
#91
Sword usage/variety is far more prominent and popular in OP cuz this is a Japanese manga written for a Japanese audience and Japanese history dictates that swords are the embodiment of shonen coolness and readership popularity itself.

Though I don’t really think Oda himself believes every attack used with a sword can be considered “swordsmanship,” just like how King channeling his Lunarian powers through his sword isn’t really swordsmanship.

if brook using music through his sword can be considered sword skill then king throwing fire attacks through his sword shouldnt be something different
 
#93
Everybody out here trying to define swordsmanship in their own way so their favs don't fall under Mihawk's title and fail miserably, shit is so hilarious. What kind of brain damage did Mihawk do to them?
He set the bar right at the beginning of the show. It's two+ decades long trauma for them. And the best? They know there's even a bigger shadow behind Mihawk that stretches from 400 years in the past.
 
#94
That's AdCoC no touch.. You're confusing AdCoC no touching and a Swordsman's intent to not cut..

Whether Shanks want to cut Kidd or not cut Kidd, when using AdCoC it will always be no cut because it's default no touch ability for AdCoC..

The not wanting to cut when you don't want of Koshiro and Hyougoro's phylosophy don't apply when using AdCoC.. That's why AdCoC is not Swordsmanship too..
Shanks cut the Kid's Gun. Auden acoc cut Kaido. Zoro acoc cut King. Kaido acoc hits with a club touching. Yamato acoc hits with a club touching. :kayneshrug:
 
#95
Muttoryu Tatsumaki is an attack not performed by a sword and yet is swordsmanship. :zosmug:
You're right. But that's Zoro's speciality.You don't see everyone doing that.
Only other attack that we can count as similar to that is probably Rankyaku.

But the main thing is, if you use a sword to perform an attack then its automatically swordsmanship.
The attacks i mentioned above are outliers.
 
any attack done from a blade
this includes devil fruits
This is where you are wrong

there are swordsmen who happened to eat a DF, but it doesn't mean them using DF is swordsmanship
Fujitora doesn't summon meteor with swordsmanship

If you can't do an attack with just a sword and haki, then it's not swordsmanship, it's just DF boosted swordsmanship.
 
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