Questions & Mysteries The Grim Reaper and the possible outcome

[Paperchampion23]

That's not clear at all. Especially because last time he specifically said he didn't need help, he got knocked out and had to be pulled out of the sea by people he doesn't even know.

What it has to do with the conversation is that the story isn't just Luffy vs Kaido for Momo if you assume it's the most important part of the story.

Do you guys actually read this story? He loses to most enemies once or twice. When does Luffy receive help in the end?

So none of these scenes matter?

But I'm reading the story wrong huh. Do any of you realize that all if Zoro's proclamations about Kaido happen before the roof? Same deal with Kid. After the roof, their goals changed to King and BM respectively. Not once have they uttered intent to fight Kaido again.

But ok, I'm wrong.
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Every longer explanation is a cope essay for you because you are scared of the explanation convincing you otherwise.
From 980 to 1000 Luffy didnt fight Kaido at all.
He fought from 1001 to 1003 where he ran out of haki and became a liability others have to save and protect until 1008.
In 1009 he tried to attack Kaido and instantly got knocked out.

Fought him from end of 1010 to 1013 when he got knocked out again.
Then from 1014 to 1026 he didnt fight him.
As you can see with your own eyes, more than half the time that Kaido is engaged in the battle, Luffy isnt even fighting.
How nice of you to conclude that Luffy is beating Kaido on his own, now that is a real copium.

Fighting King is not preventing Zoro from fighting Kaido, in case you still didnt realize, just like fighting 2 Emperors didnt stop him from fighting King. Better to speak for Zoro than against him, seems like you still didnt learn what happens to those who bet against Zoro.
No, Luffy is literally not handling Kaido fine, not even after 15 other people have worn Kaido down.
Never before in these 24 years has Luffy been this humiliated and trashed against one opponent.
I can say the same thing for you, just because people think ZKK is happening, you simply cant handle it and repeat that it wont happen.
I can wish you the same, stay if ZKK happens and enjoy the party.


Do you think Oda would need to say that if that's what's going to happen?

I like how the argument is "well he lost earlier" in any ZKK arguments lmao. The point is, he's fighting him alone and has been for 13 chapters and the arc is nearly over. Luffy always has lost to villains, only to win again.

Have you read any other arc lmao?

 

[Finalbeta]

Pay attention to the mc, like oda said. It was always gonna be him

Don't forget to pay attention to Zoro. He is kinda Co-MC

 

[Fn Lucci]

Do you guys actually read this story? He loses to most enemies once or twice. When does Luffy receive help in the end?

So none of these scenes matter?

But I'm reading the story wrong huh. Do any of you realize that all if Zpro's proclamations about Kaido happen before the roof? Same deal with Kid. After the roof, their goals changed to King and BM respectively. Not once have they uttered intent to fight Kaido again.

But ok, I'm wrong.

Zoro took out Morgan, Nami tied up Buggy, Sanji saved him from Krieg, Zoro kept fighting after Luffy was downed at Thriller Bark. Not typical but it happens.

Zoro didn't say he would go back for Kaido but what this reaper shows us is that things will turn out differently than we would have typically thought about the resolution of this story.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Zoro took out Morgan, Nami tied up Buggy, Sanji saved him from Krieg, Zoro kept fighting after Luffy was downed at Thriller Bark. Not typical but it happens.

Zoro didn't say he would go back for Kaido but what this reaper shows us is that things will turn out differently than we would have typically thought about the resolution of this story.

XD

Yes let's use east blue villains as a measure for anything noteworthy now, 1000 chapters later, instead of the countless other arc villains where Zoro wasn't involved.

And Kuma wasn't the arc villain of Thriller Bark. They all stood and watched Luffy fighting Moria.


You don't "know" what this reaper will show. You don't even "know" what it's here for, outside of the fact that Zoro is the person closest to death this arc and Wano already has been laying on spiritual presence with the Fire Festival.

This reaper could have always been around Zoro when he's near death. It could be physically manifested because we are in Wano at this time. That's it.

It doesn't "have" to do with Zoro, it can be about Wano and its spirits. You just "want" it to involve him because that's what this fandom naturally does.

I'm honestly shocked this fanbase has headcanoned themselves into thinking Zoro now can overcome any and all wounds and circumvent death. You all complain about consequences, but then don't actually want Zoro to have any.

Seems two faced.

 

[CbShadow]

The Zoro vs Death will be the post TS version of "Nothing happen at all".

Zoro is in a similar situation. He is facing an opponent he shouldn't be able to defeat like Kuma. Kuma was too strong for Zoro at the time even though he even though Zoro could hurt Kuma.

Zoro defeated Kuma by convincing (tricking) him to take his head instead of Luffy. He agreed to Zoro terms but first Zoro needed to pass his test. Kuma wanted to see if Zoro was worthy of having equal value to the future PK. Zoro provided the future WSS has equal value to the future PK.

Technically, Zoro defeated the first YC level opponent. He did it pre TS.

We are going to see something very similar. He is facing Death, an opponent Zoro shouldn't be able to defeat. To survive the situation he will make a deal with Death. Who will agree exchange his life for Kaido. Who Death has been after for years and is harder to die than Zoro.

Zoro will need to first prove his worth by taking double the damage.

 

[AverageBuggyEnjoyer]

 

[Paperchampion23]

The Zoro vs Death will be the post TS version of "Nothing happen at all".

Zoro is in a similar situation. He is facing an opponent he shouldn't be able to defeat like Kuma. Kuma was too strong for Zoro at the time even though he even though Zoro could hurt Kuma.

Zoro defeated Kuma by convincing (tricking) him to take his head instead of Luffy. He agreed to Zoro terms but first Zoro needed to pass his test. Kuma wanted to see if Zoro was worthy of having equal value to the future PK. Zoro provided the future WSS has equal value to the future PK.

Technically, Zoro defeated the first YC level opponent. He did it pre TS.

We are going to see something very similar. He is facing Death, an opponent Zoro shouldn't be able to defeat. To survive the situation he will make a deal with Death. Who will agree exchange his life for Kaido. Who Death has been after for years and is harder to die than Zoro.

Zoro will need to first prove his worth by taking double the damage.

 

[Fn Lucci]

XD

Yes let's use east blue villains as a measure for anything noteworthy now, 1000 chapters later, instead of the countless other arc villains where Zoro wasn't involved.

And Kuma wasn't the arc villain of Thriller Bark. They all stood and watched Luffy fighting Moria.


You don't "know" what this reaper will show. You don't even "know" what it's here for, outside of the fact that Zoro is the person closest to death this arc and Wano already has been laying on spiritual presence with the Fire Festival.

This reaper could have always been around Zoro when he's near death. It could be physically manifested because we are in Wano at this time. That's it.

It doesn't "have" to do with Zoro, it can be about Wano and its spirits. You just "want" it to involve him because that's what this fandom naturally does.

I'm honestly shocked this fanbase has headcanoned themselves into thinking Zoro now can overcome any and all wounds and circumvent death. You all complain about consequences, but then don't actually want Zoro to have any.

Seems two faced.

I don't know why all this is freaking you out. Like now you're just defensive because you asked for examples and I had them, so you complain that they're "old" or just otherwise not 1:1. Well of course not.

If I "want" it to involve Zoro, it's because this thing is literally right in front of him and no one else. Did you account bet or something? You're trying pretty hard to deny something here.

 

[Paperchampion23]

I don't know why all this is freaking you out. Like now you're just defensive because you asked for examples and I had them, so you complain that they're "old" or just otherwise not 1:1. Well of course not.

If I "want" it to involve Zoro, it's because this thing is literally right in front of him and no one else. Did you account bet or something? You're trying pretty hard to deny something here.

What defense?

My guy, YOU quoted me first today. You are the one defending by making odd and random points like Zoro cutting Morgan, the first villain, or assuming the Grim reaper has anything to do with Zoro reviving himself.

I'm simply calling bullshit.

 

[Doggo]

In one hand, a character that embodies hard work, strives for excellency and wants to be the very best like no one ever was.

On the other hand, a Gary Stu that Death itself will appear in the story, heal and buff him so he can accomplish a fan service "feat" because "reasons"?

What the fuck.

 

[nik87]

Have you read any other arc lmao?

I did and not a single one of those guys Luffy beat was an unkillable WSC.
Zoro is here for that specific reason - to do the impossible.

 

[Fn Lucci]

What defense?

My guy, YOU quoted me first today. You are the one defending by making odd and random points like Zoro cutting Morgan, the first villain, or assuming the Grim reaper has anything to do with Zoro reviving himself.

I'm simply calling bullshit.

You're calling bullshit on the reaper standing in front of Zoro having anything to do with Zoro. Okay. Well,

Spoiler

If you really don't think Zoro and Kaido are both being associated with death and destiny, the afterlife and collective (currently broken) spirit of Wano, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Black]

I can't wait for the next chapter where I asume the plot about the reaper will be cleared out for us. Comments against the validity of the legitness of the reaper will age godly.

 

[CbShadow]

ZKK it's not a fan service. One Piece has been hinted at Zoro becoming the second Ryuma since Punk Hazard.

We were just recently showed the connection Zoro has with Wano. We see how Zoro looks nearly identical to Ryuma. He even has one eye like Ryuma and they are both missing the same eye.

All the manga has to do now is have the citizens of Wano to see him as Ryuma. The best way to show them he's second Ryuma is for him to recreate one of his legendary feats. The easiest feat for Oda to recreate is killing a dragon above the capital. We have Zoro (second Ryuma), a dragon (Kaido) that must be permanently defeated to stop and Wano's capital.

We even have the world government heading towards Wano. Yes, they are starting to take their place on stage. In the past the world government wanted to control Wano and failed because of Ryuma. Once again they want to take control of Wano. The best way to stop that is for them to witness the second Ryuma.

We can all see how everything is being set up. Anybody going against ZKK is going against the manga.

It doesn't stop there. Kaido is waiting for a strong samurai to fight and kill him.

I know, some are going to claim Luffy will defeat Kaido. Here's the thing, even if Luffy defeats Kaido that doesn't mean he will permanently stop him. Kaido is unlike any villain Luffy has face before. Kaido was introduced as the Yonko who's been defeated seven times before and captured. That tells us Kaido losing a battle does it mean anything to him and he won't stop until he's killed.

 

[Fn Lucci]

I can't wait for the next chapter where I asume the plot about the reaper will be cleared out for us. Comments against the validity of the legitness of the reaper will age godly.

I dunno... the parallel between Nothing Happened and his injury now, the parallel between the PH dragon and the fight with Kaido, the parallel between Kaido's suicide intro and Zoro's suicide intro, Zoro being just like Ryuma and wanting to talk with his spirit, Kozaburo being a descendant of Ryuma and making Enma as a masterpiece killer sword... maybe we should be prepared for Brook after all

 

[Paperchampion23]

In one hand, a character that embodies hard work, strives for excellency and wants to be the very best like no one ever was.

On the other hand, a Gary Stu that Death itself will appear in the story, heal and buff him so he can accomplish a fan service "feat" because "reasons"?

What the fuck.

People on this site confuse my skepticism for ZKK to be anti-Zoro bias, and yet people forget that Zoro is one of my favorite characters and who I personally argued repeatedly to get a true 1v1 fight when many people here were satisfied with the limited paneling he got on the rooftop because of "feats".

I have freely admitted to being attracted to the idea of ZKK, but now when the story has repeatedly beat down the idea since 1010 and Zoro focused on other things lol....but on we go I guess.

They don't even realize that Zoro already said this with Sanji:

Implying they believe Luffy will win his fight.

They don't even realize that Zoro already is recognized as a Ryuma parallel and does not require a "feat" to prove it. Hyou and Kawamatsu already acknowledged it. He's going to be deemed one of the saviors of Wano regardless and he will visit Ryuma's grave.

Weird to me that people think Oda will shaft Luffy in his own fight, and the same people here accursed Oda of dickriding his own MC. Funny how that works here.

But oh well, people will quote this to validate what they want to believe in.

 

[Halyup]

ZKK it's not a fan service. One Piece has been hinted at Zoro becoming the second Ryuma since Punk Hazard.

We were just recently showed the connection Zoro has with Wano. We see how Zoro looks nearly identical to Ryuma. He even has one eye like Ryuma and they are both missing the same eye.

All the manga has to do now is have the citizens of Wano to see him as Ryuma. The best way to show them he's second Ryuma is for him to recreate one of his legendary feats. The easiest feat for Oda to recreate is killing a dragon above the capital. We have Zoro (second Ryuma), a dragon (Kaido) that must be permanently defeated to stop and Wano's capital.

We even have the world government heading towards Wano. Yes, they are starting to take their place on stage. In the past the world government wanted to control Wano and failed because of Ryuma. Once again they want to take control of Wano. The best way to stop that is for them to witness the second Ryuma.

We can all see how everything is being set up. Anybody going against ZKK is going against the manga.

It doesn't stop there. Kaido is waiting for a strong samurai to fight and kill him.

I know, some are going to claim Luffy will defeat Kaido. Here's the thing, even if Luffy defeats Kaido that doesn't mean he will permanently stop him. Kaido is unlike any villain Luffy has face before. Kaido was introduced as the Yonko who's been defeated seven times before and captured. That tells us Kaido losing a battle does it mean anything to him and he won't stop until he's killed.

Correction: since Thriller Bark

 

[CbShadow]

People on this site confuse my skepticism for ZKK to be anti-Zoro bias, and yet people forget that Zoro is one of my favorite characters and who I personally argued repeatedly to get a true 1v1 fight when many people here were satisfied with the limited paneling he got on the rooftop because of "feats".

I have freely admitted to being attracted to the idea of ZKK, but now when the story has repeatedly beat down the idea since 1010 and Zoro focused on other things lol....but on we go I guess.

They don't even realize that Zoro already said this with Sanji:

Implying they believe Luffy will win his fight.

They don't even realize that Zoro already is recognized as a Ryuma parallel and does not require a "feat" to prove it. Hyou and Kawamatsu already acknowledged it. He's going to be deemed one of the saviors of Wano regardless and he will visit Ryuma's grave.

Weird to me that people think Oda will shaft Luffy in his own fight, and the same people here accursed Oda of dickriding his own MC. Funny how that works here.

But oh well, people will quote this to validate what they want to believe in.

I think you have forgotten that becoming the Pirate King it's not about being the strongest. It's not a goal anybody can achieve by myself. They need help reaching that goal so Zoro helping Luffy defeat Kaido doesn't take anything away from Luffy.

When Kaido was introduced we were told he can't be defeated in a 1v1 battle. Of course, that's rumor so that doesn't mean nobody can beat him in a solo battle. But we must look at the situation we have at hand. Luffy is not equal to Kaido so Luffy requiring help to defeat him makes sense.

Yes, Zoro does believe Luffy will defeat Kaido but he didn't know what happened after he left the Rooftop. Luffy lost again and had to be rescued. While that was going on Yamato took over and start fighting Kaido until Luffy returned. It doesn't matter what Luffy told them because he did the same early had to receive help. There's nothing proving that won't happen again.

They didn't recognize Zoro as the second Ryuma. They only noticed he looks identical to Ryuma and believe that is fate.

The manga hasn't concluded the connection between Zoro and Ryuma.

 

[Broreo]

I like the idea of a trade, like instead of taking zoros life he has to bring him another life instead. Would be a great paralel to kuma making zoro take the pain instead of luffy

 

[Soyz]

The grim reaper is probably real but why do you stans always take this route ? we litearly see on the chapter he appears after chopper said zoro took too much damage meaning he came to kill zoro not to strike a bargain.