Controversial The hijacking of western entertainment made for men

[Logiko]

Violence is fun, you’re literally in a forum where 99% of the arcs conflict is resolved with violence. There’s no denying that is a thing humans as a whole enjoy.

Mate.
The vast majority of the character conflict in One Piece are NOT resolved by violence.

You are confusing the eviction of the menace with the resolution of conflicts.

Nami, Robin, Usopp, Sanji, Brook, Jinbe, Chopper. Their character conflict are not resolved because of violence, but because of the kindness, courage, resolve and all the liberating characteristics of Luffy.

I never said i like 80s and 90s specifically, you guys injected that into the discussion

i was talking mostly about the last 5 years

some of my favorites are from the 2000s and 2010s

Ok fair point. My bad.

like Captain Jack Sparrow, most men in Lord of the Rings, The Dark Knight trilogy, most of the MCU until Endgame, Star Wars OT and PT, god i miss old Luke Skywalker, all the X-Men movies with Wolverine, Magneto and Xavier, all great male characters

I think the problem is not the lack of men rather than the lack of good movies and series. In other words the focuses on bad stories and not the good ones.

That's funny I watched a review video of 50 shades of gray some days ago and the guy pointed out how toxic the depicted relationships are and that they romanticise abuse. This movie targets a female audience.

Yeah, that's one of the symptom of patriarchy. Women are also poisonned by toxic masculinity aimed rethorics. Some times, it's even women who are pushing toxic masculinity on men.

some dudes from TV shows i like Elliot Alderson, Ragnar Lothbrok, Walter White, Michael Scofield, Daredevil and The Punisher in Netflix shows.

I really enjoy dudes who are super capable and smart, and get shit done.

THere are still guys like this mate.

make it entertaining, but no, most of the time they are super boring

Do you felt like Dune 1&2 or Andor were boring ?

You can make more leftist than that and yet those were amazing and inclusive pieces of fictions.

Insidious toxicity is not something that makes a story great, it only makes it unable to age nicely. We don't need that type of toxicity in media and we can create amazine stories without it.

 

[Roo]

That's funny I watched a review video of 50 shades of gray some days ago and the guy pointed out how toxic the depicted relationships are and that they romanticise abuse. This movie targets a female audience.

Women like men can enjoy toxic shit, what a surprise lol

 

[Indigo]

Do you felt like Dune 1&2 or Andor were boring ?

Dune 1 was all setup and no payoff, because of how they split the book. It was fine, but mostly slow and could be boring. I'm not a fan of Paul Atreides, in fact, his father was a better character for me in his 5 minutes of screen time or something lmao. I find Paul Atreides super boring, because everything is kinda easy for him.

Dune 2 was better, all the payoff. However, the action was still boring asf and the thrid act was rushed as all hell. Still a good movie, but i found it really overrated.

Andor is a great story, but also super slow and with almost no pulse. It also didn't feel like Star Wars at all, could've been told completely out of it and would be fine. It felt like it was missing the Star Wars spice.

 

[Roo]

Mate.
The vast majority of the character conflict in One Piece are NOT resolved by violence.

You are confusing the eviction of the menace with the resolution of conflicts.

Nami, Robin, Usopp, Sanji, Brook, Jinbe, Chopper. Their character conflict are not resolved because of violence, but because of the kindness, courage, resolve and all the liberating characteristics of Luffy.
it.

how exactly does Luffy liberate people? Oh right yeah he beats the living shit out of them LMAO

you’re so far gone if you can’t admit that one piece conflict resolution is violence

 

[Uncle Van]

Companies do anything to make more money. They don't think of it as alienating parts of the fanbase, but as expanding the core audience to generate more revenue. Issue is that the writing is so trash that over time, the core audience decreases which lowers revenue. Companies are now falling back because money always talks.

Usually the core audience holds steady at first, and that makes the company thinks everything is ok and double down. The audience then peep that the changes are a constant for the worse and stop watching, while the company keep pumping out the same trash until it starts costing money.

 

[Logiko]

because everything is kinda easy for him.

That was.. kinda the point lol

Dune 1 was all setup and no payoff, because of how they split the book. It was fine, but mostly slow and could be boring. I'm not a fan of Paul Atreides, in fact, his father was a better character for me in his 5 minutes of screen time or something lmao. I find Paul Atreides super boring, because everything is kinda easy for him.

Dune 2 was better, all the payoff. However, the action was still boring asf and the thrid act was rushed as all hell. Still a good movie, but i found it really overrated.

Andor is a great story, but also super slow and with almost no pulse. It also didn't feel like Star Wars at all, could've been told completely out of it and would be fine. It felt like it was missing the Star Wars spice.

sigh

how exactly does Luffy liberate people?

By freeing their mind first.
Always.

you’re so far gone if you can’t admit that one piece conflict resolution is violence

It SEEMS like the difference between me and you is that I actually understand the difference between the inner conflict of a character (and what creates 90 of the story) and the final liberation and eviction of injustice (that acts as a catharsis for the arc)

Luffy is a liberator, but him punching the final villain only acts as the last action of liberation. Before that, Luffy frees and liberate the mind of people in order for them to be more than what they previously were.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Women love this stuff

women love this fantasy

in Twilight

in 50 shades

I watched the same guy reviewing twilight. 50 shades of grey was a twilight fanfic originally(I already knew this) but I had actually watched the twillight movies on TV and never liked them at all.

Yes you clearly know what all women want from a work of fiction. Like in your opening post where you said that only romance and erotic content is targeted at a female audience.

Mate.
The vast majority of the character conflict in One Piece are NOT resolved by violence.

😂Oda:"I don't want Luffy to beat Kaido because his punch is stronger"
then makes him defeat Kaido with a punch
At the end of the day One Piece is still a battle shonen despite its fights being notoriously inconsistent and unfit for powerscaling.

Some times, it's even women who are pushing toxic masculinity on men.

Patriarchal women that internalized injustice. They are everywhere. Up until the 90s (if I remember correctly) there still was a women's organisation in Switzerland advocating against women's voting rights for example. Female family members also often play prominent roles in facilitating honor killings of their daughters and sisters, a phenomenon contemporary westerners seem to struggle with understanding.

Women like men can enjoy toxic shit, what a surprise lol

I was responding to the comment I quoted, don't take my statement out of context.

 

[Indigo]

That was.. kinda the point lol

yes, i know

his conflict is about choosing to accept he is the chosen one, but cause a holy war in shis name in future generations and all that shit

but that doesn't really excite me at all

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only romance and erotic content is targeted at a female audience.

i never said only, i gave two examples, but of course you added words into my mouth, like you guys love to do

second time in this thread already, with Logiko saying i love the 80s and 90s heroes, my god

the same way men don't only enjoy nerd shit, this is the stuff i like

many other men out there don't give a fuck about these examples, they like sports and FIFA, and good for them, prob having a better time

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

By freeing their mind first.
Always.

And then they still need him to solve their problems. You see things in one piece that aren't there I fear.

that acts as a catharsis for the arc

Yes One Piece has lots of pathos and catharsis. It does get annoying at some point.

his conflict is about choosing to accept he is the chosen one

Did you like Avatar?

 

[Indigo]

Companies do anything to make more money. They don't think of it as alienating parts of the fanbase, but as expanding the core audience to generate more revenue. Issue is that the writing is so trash that over time, the core audience decreases which lowers revenue. Companies are now falling back because money always talks.

Usually the core audience holds steady at first, and that makes the company thinks everything is ok and double down. The audience then peep that the changes are a constant for the worse and stop watching, while the company keep pumping out the same trash until it starts costing money.

Hopefully they are going to start to go back now

because this stuff has gotten so fucking bad

i think we've just seen that happen with Marvel

after the massive Box Office bomb of The Marvels and the shit that happened with Kang / Jonathan Majors

they are dropping huge loads of money to RDJ / Russo Brothers / Stephen Mcfelly / Alan Silvestri to come back for Avengers

hopefully they make something that is successful like Deadpool and Wolverine, so we can move on from this shit

 

[NAMELESS]

This is a super controversial topic and i expect to be absolutely hated for it. However, since most of social media and my personal IRL bubble being very left leaning, this is not a sentiment i can really talk about with my peers. WorstGen has a much more mixed user base, so maybe i can get different opinions on it. I'm very left leaning btw, so this is why this opinion is blowing my own mind, because even if agree with the sentiment, i simply have stopped enjoying most of these things because of it.

But this feeling just keeps growing year after year for me. I like nerd shit, super hero movies, comics, anime, manga, gaming and so on. Stories, no matter the medium, are one of my favorite things about life.

Many of these franchises had huge male audiences before the 2010s. There were women who enjoyed them too, that's 100% true, but they enjoyed it back then as it was, even if they weren't the target audience and i think that's great.

However, since 2010, nobody can deny that so many franchises and IPs have been slowly taken over creatively (even if the executives and leaders are still white straight dudes), and many projects now are always obsessed with divserity, inclusion and representation. For a long time, i didn't mind it that much, even some games that are super controversial like Last of Us Part II, i still really enjoyed it.

However, it has gotten to a point i just can't take this shit anymore. If you look at anything that dudes used to enjoy back in the day, they've all been changed wildly.

You don't see men going out there and telling people to make romcoms and erotic novels to be written in a way to be inclusive for men, those things had a huge female audience and it was their target audience, there is nothing wrong with making stuff with that target audience in mind.

But, for some reason, anything that men used to be the target audience for, now needs to be inclusive and be made for everyone.

It's gotten so bad, it's stupid. For example, if any black character shows up on screen, they have to put some kind of trap / hip hop / rap music in the background, while giving the character the same Killmonger hair cut.

Most dudes becoming main heroes now can't be strong, buff dudes. They have to be attratctive to the female gaze, so they have to be slender, and pretty. Timothée Chalamet is a great example of that type.

Any buff dude on western media are either evil or they are on the good side, but they are really fucking stupid and brain dead. Most of the time, these characters are used to make another character, of any minority, shine brighter on the scene. Many franchises have taken the path of putting a woman as the new main character of the franchise and to make them shine brighter, they make all the men around her incompetent. Look what they turned Thor into, just to make Jane look badass and competent beside him in Love and Thunder.

The biggest thing for me was the latest decision for Star Wars.

Their plan is to make a new Rey movie right? and the storyline is gonna be about Rey leading a new Jedi Order, which most fans thought it was gonna be Luke's thing. And who do you guys think they hired to be the director of this new movie? That's right, a feminist activist known for making documentaries against men and the patriarchy. This director has 0 experience making anything in fiction / action / fantasy / scifi, literally nothing.

Anyway, rant over.

Let me get your rage.

Its called cultural warfare. Its meant destroy the masculine values in society.

 

[York]

Fragile.

 

[NAMELESS]

Forced diversity is discrimination in many situations.

It's discriminating against someone for not being different.

Also earlier media just handled shit better.

Look at the original Teen Titans cartoon, then the live action. The cartoon is more serious, even though it's much more cheerful, bright, vibrant, and fun, because it isn't a stupid edgefest designed to be "different".

It's the difference between Picasso and drawing a banana on a frame and calling it a Masterpiece.

Picasso is a freaky genius, a lot of modern Hollywood stuff is just dumb weird art pretending to be sophisticated.

Diversity isn't the problem:

Shitty artists using diversity as a scapegoat for their work, and shaming anyone who calls them out for it, are the problem.

this too

 

[Logiko]

At the end of the day One Piece is still a battle shonen despite its fights being notoriously inconsistent and unfit for powerscaling.

Indeed, it stays a battle manga, which is why Luffy always munches the villain at the end.

But its more than that.

One Piece does not stand on the moments where Luffy punches the final villain, but on the moments when there is a liberation of character:

And in our context here, Oda managed to write amazing character while still being inclusive.

Patriarchal women that internalized injustice. They are everywhere. Up until the 90s (if I remember correctly) there still was a women's organisation in Switzerland advocating against women's voting rights for example. Female family members also often play prominent roles in facilitating honor killings of their daughters and sisters, a phenomenon contemporary westerners seem to struggle with understanding.

Yeah, we call them "trad wife". We have a famous internet woman influencer like that nowadays. She is doing so much damage its crazy.

Its called cultural warfare. Its meant destroy the masculine values in society.

Relax mate. You are dreaming a menace that isn't there.

 

[Uncle Van]

Hopefully they are going to start to go back now

because this stuff has gotten so fucking bad

i think we've just seen that happen with Marvel

after the massive Box Office bomb of The Marvels and the shit that happened with Kang / Jonathan Majors

they are dropping huge loads of money to RDJ / Russo Brothers / Stephen Mcfelly / Alan Silvestri to come back for Avengers

hopefully they make something that is successful like Deadpool and Wolverine, so we can move on from this shit

It already is. Companies are reporting huge losses. Some are still locked into deals and have to pump out the content in the meantime.

The biggest problem has always been the writing, and hiring people with agendas who have no clue how to tell a story. It's irrelevant of the character is black, female, gay, trans or whatever. Diversity isn't a shield for bad writing.

 

[Indigo]

It already is. Companies are reporting huge losses. Some are still locked into deals and have to pump out the content in the meantime.

The biggest problem has always been the writing, and hiring people with agendas who have no clue how to tell a story. It's irrelevant of the character is black, female, gay, trans or whatever. Diversity isn't a shield for bad writing.

I do think Star Wars is stuck while Kathleen Kennedy has the reins though

 

[Logiko]

I do think Star Wars is stuck while Kathleen Kennedy has the reins though

I don't think so.

Most Star Wars stories are decent. A lot of them are boring but there is great potential and it has nothing to do with the agenda but like Van said:

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The biggest problem has always been the writing, and hiring people with agendas who have no clue how to tell a story. It's irrelevant of the character is black, female, gay, trans or whatever. Diversity isn't a shield for bad writing.

The problem is the story and sometimes only the show running.

For example, all Star Wars stories stands on amazing basis and ideas, but most of them are simply boring.

Asokah is cool, but it could have been reduced to a movie.
Boba is not really bad, but its a bit bland.
Obi-wan has good moments but it lack consistancy.
The Acolyte has amazing idae (especially about the imperialistic questionning of the Jedi) but its just boring and full of non necessary stuff.

The two gems for me are the Mandalorian which is consistantly great and Andor that is simply a diamant that should not even exist in the first place.

There is potential here. But they need to understand their material and hire good showrunner. Especially for Ashoka and The Acolyte.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Yeah, we call them "trad wife". We have a famous internet woman influencer like that nowadays. She is doing so much damage its crazy.

Trad wives may be patriarchal but not all patriarchal women are trad wives. Plus the word is misleading.

i never said only, i gave two examples, but of course you added words into my mouth, like you guys love to do

second time in this thread already, with Logiko saying i love the 80s and 90s heroes, my god

the same way men don't only enjoy nerd shit, this is the stuff i like

many other men out there don't give a fuck about these examples, they like sports and FIFA, and good for them, prob having a better time

It was a misunderstanding then my bad

 

[Logiko]

Trad wives may be patriarchal but not all patriarchal women are trad wives. Plus the word is misleading.

Not really in the context where I'm using it. But you are right. Not all patriarcal women are like that.

 

[Uncle Van]

I do think Star Wars is stuck while Kathleen Kennedy has the reins though

If the girl boss writing style continues, it will continue to fall. Right now companies need to focus getting rid of the stigma that gender swap/minority main character=guaranteed agenda shitshow.