Future Events The strongest swordsman in history vs the strongest swordsman of today

[Blazing Lion]

No. Because Roger has not been there.

The lost Poneglyph is the one that was probably at FI.
Wano
Zou
WCI
These three have been protected since Rogers time, only FI is missing. There is a chance that WG took it. Shiryus comment also indicates towards the WG having some control of the last one.

The man marked by flames is probably Saul and he will tell SHPs that the 4th poneglyph was taken by WG and is in MJ or another WG affiliated place and thats why SHPs will move there.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Sure, Oda can use First Arc to give us a "Taste"
But Egghead showed us way more than just a Taste

We've seen Mother Flame Used, so it wasn't just a Taste, We've actually seen how Powerful is their Secret Weapon
They sent CP-0 and not just any Non-Named Masked Agents, They actually sent Three Major Characters & definitely saw them Fight

They didn't just send some Marines, not even a Normal Buster Call, They sent 20 Battleships alongside 80 Smaller Ones led by around Ten Vice Admirals, not just 5, and even brought an Admiral, and They been Fighting for so long now

They didn't just Tease New Pacifista Models, They actually showed the entire 50 of them, and They were shown Fighting both Battleships & Destroying an Island & we kept switching between who commands them & then They got all Defeated by Venus

They didn't just Tease Seraphim by showing One or Two, We are seeing Four of them & They already appeared many Chapters & their DFs were Revealed & They are still Part of the Conflict & Fought multiple Characters

So yeah, Mother Flame, CP-0, Marines, Pacifista, Seraphim ... etc will still appear Post-Egghead & have Important Role, but this is far from saying it's just a "Taste", Oda could have shown much less than this if They are supposed to only be Teasers, no need to make the Conflict this Big when the SHs aren't even in Mood to Fight

And finally, We have Gorosei, at first We could agree that Oda was just showing us a Taste cuz We only got Saturn, but All Five? That's more than just a Taste!

When Oda wanted to show us a Taste of Crocodile's Commanders, did He Introduce all of them in Whisky Peak or Little Garden?
When Oda wanted to show us a Taste of Kaidou's Calamities, did He Introduce all of them in Zou or only Teased Jack?
When Oda wanted to show us a Taste of Enel's Priests, did He make SHs face all Four Trials at once or only Satori's?
When Oda wanted to show us a Taste of Sweet Commanders, did He make all Three attack Luffy in Seducing Woods?

All Five Gorosei are in Egghead, Mother Flame is in Egghead, Majority of Seraphim are in Egghead, All Pacifista are in Egghead, Only CP-0 Masked Agents who are Relevant are in Egghead, and their Biggest Victims are in Egghead, Kuma is there, Bonney is there, Vegapunk is there, Ancient Robot is there & who knows who else gonna come too

Oda doesn't need to keep these Enemies, this is the Biggest Role They ever gonna get, They will appear again, but They will be Less Important than They are now

Bro stop your nonesense. The Gorosei are not going down this arc. They are literally saying they are running every second and people after people are sacrificing themselves for it to happen

 

[Salah WG]

Bro stop your nonesense. The Gorosei are not going down this arc. They are literally saying they are running every second and people after people are sacrificing themselves for it to happen

Didn't say They are gonna be Defeated this Arc.
I said they will not receive Bigger Role after Egghead

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Didn't say They are gonna be Defeated this Arc.
I said they will not receive Bigger Role after Egghead

Wtf are you talking about. If they not going down this arc that means they will have big role in the next arcs.

 

[Salah WG]

Wtf are you talking about. If they not going down this arc that means they will have big role in the next arcs.

Sure as you like, Gorosei as Secondary Villains in the Future will receive Bigger Role than the Arc where They are Main Villains.
There is literally nothing Bigger as a Villain than having your own Arc where you're Top of Food Chain

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Zoro will prove himself by cutting something no other Swordsman in history has ever cut.

Oda having Zoro constantly chant "There is nothing I can't cut" isn't just some mantra that Zoro uses to hype himself up. It's Oda telling us that one day, Zoro is going to be faced with something so grand, the thought of cutting it wouldn't even seem to be feasible.

It's the only way to prove himself as the best to ever live, because simply defeating someone does nothing to prove yourself against those who have long been dead. The only way to solidify yourself as the strongest to ever do it, is to do something no one else has ever been able to do.

What are you thinking? The red line?

 

[Albino 👑]

Imu’s the final villain meaning zoro either fights nusjuro or s-hawk

 

[HA001]

What are you thinking? The red line?

The ocean gonna part the sea like moses

 

[nik87]

No. Because Roger has not been there.

4th RPG was on FMI but after Roger's time it has gone missing.
As Blazing Lion pointed out, Shiryu speculates that WG is in possession of it.
If that is the case, the WG war is just the beginning of the PK race.

And what would be his second df? He need something to compete with zoro's conqueror. The only thing that comes to mind is zoan for his sword

Obviously Zoan as only they can be fed to weapons.
Awakening of his current DF counters Zoro's firepower because it makes all the firepower useless, if it ends up formless Nothingness.
He needs something to counter Zoro's overwhelming style, to beat him in CQC.
If I had to guess, it is Orochi's mythical Zoan because he didn't show nearly anything from it.
Which means Raiu turns into 8-headed hydra sword and competes with Zoro's 9-sword style.

Imu’s the final villain meaning zoro either fights nusjuro or s-hawk

Cope dies last.

 

[Ryuarashi]

Dam, Mihawk fans cant cope with the possibility of him being nothing but a pit stop for Zoro.

I think this could possibly be the angle Oda takes with Nusjuro vs Zoro

Mihawk is part of Cross Guild, meaning Zoro needs to beat him so that Luffy can become PK. Only after that will Luffy take on the WG.

So what will Zoro vs Nusjuro decide then?

There are many avenues Oda could take on them and I have explored those in other threads. But this is one.

Nusjuro is an immortal. He has likely lived hundreds of years. Yet not many people seem to know about the gorosei. Them being immortal doesn’t seem to be public knowledge. Apart from Lucci, nobody on egghead was even able to recognize the gorosei in their transformed state.

What if Nusjuro was the WSSM of the void century? Then the WG was established, Nusjuro ascended to godhood, and in that moment he basically left his title behind.

Time moved on and his feats were forgotten. Few people knew of Nusjuro or his strength, for Nusjuro rarely descended to the surface to fight.

As such new WSSM came and went. People like Ryuma, Xebec, Roger, and Mihawk. But none actually fought Nusjuro.

Basically I think Zoro vs Nusjuro will be a test to establish where Zoro ranks amongst the different WSSM. Is he just the strongest of his time period? Like Xebec or Roger were? Or is he the strongest of all time? That latter question can only be answered by defeating someone like Nusjuro. An immortal who has lived through many lifetimes.

Does this make Mihawk a fraud? In a way. Similar to how Zoro was a frog in a small pond when he was in East blue, so too was Mihawk. He was the strongest on the surface world, but ultimately he never fought Nusjuro.

Defeating Mihawk cannot be a greater feat than beating Nusjuro. Mihawk is a middle aged man, Nusjuro is an immortal. Hence beating Mihawk can only scale Zoro as the strongest swordsman of his time period.

It can never scale Zoro beyond the great swordsmen of the past. Men like Roger, Xebec, and Ryuma. Only by defeating one like Nusjuro, who watched as those greats came and went and remained undefeated throughout these years, can Zoro establish himself as the greatest swordsman in history.

Rare W theory, considering the Gorosei view the ones the surface as mere lifeforms it would make sense why Nusjuro never interfared with Ryuma or Mihawk.

Despite that, I doubt Oda cares that much about swordsmen otherwise Zoro would not be the only competent swordsman vying for the World's Strongest Swordsman title.

 

[Germinator]

I think this could possibly be the angle Oda takes with Nusjuro vs Zoro

Mihawk is part of Cross Guild, meaning Zoro needs to beat him so that Luffy can become PK. Only after that will Luffy take on the WG.

So what will Zoro vs Nusjuro decide then?

There are many avenues Oda could take on them and I have explored those in other threads. But this is one.

Nusjuro is an immortal. He has likely lived hundreds of years. Yet not many people seem to know about the gorosei. Them being immortal doesn’t seem to be public knowledge. Apart from Lucci, nobody on egghead was even able to recognize the gorosei in their transformed state.

What if Nusjuro was the WSSM of the void century? Then the WG was established, Nusjuro ascended to godhood, and in that moment he basically left his title behind.

Time moved on and his feats were forgotten. Few people knew of Nusjuro or his strength, for Nusjuro rarely descended to the surface to fight.

As such new WSSM came and went. People like Ryuma, Xebec, Roger, and Mihawk. But none actually fought Nusjuro.

Basically I think Zoro vs Nusjuro will be a test to establish where Zoro ranks amongst the different WSSM. Is he just the strongest of his time period? Like Xebec or Roger were? Or is he the strongest of all time? That latter question can only be answered by defeating someone like Nusjuro. An immortal who has lived through many lifetimes.

Does this make Mihawk a fraud? In a way. Similar to how Zoro was a frog in a small pond when he was in East blue, so too was Mihawk. He was the strongest on the surface world, but ultimately he never fought Nusjuro.

Defeating Mihawk cannot be a greater feat than beating Nusjuro. Mihawk is a middle aged man, Nusjuro is an immortal. Hence beating Mihawk can only scale Zoro as the strongest swordsman of his time period.

It can never scale Zoro beyond the great swordsmen of the past. Men like Roger, Xebec, and Ryuma. Only by defeating one like Nusjuro, who watched as those greats came and went and remained undefeated throughout these years, can Zoro establish himself as the greatest swordsman in history.

Oda will have to pull the humiliations and Giants from Nasujuro then and have him exit the world again soon, he can't go all out so early

 

[nik87]

Dam, Mihawk fans cant cope with the possibility of him being nothing but a pit stop for Zoro.

What if the "ultimate villains" end up just a pit stop on the way towards Mihawk?

 

[Germinator]

Dam, Mihawk fans cant cope with the possibility of him being nothing but a pit stop for Zoro.

Oda making Zoro Mihawk's protoge, for me, forever marked Mihawk as a pedestal to something higher, lest Zoro's final opponent be one Mihawk, who is an acquaintance at worst, mentor at best, which narratively is not satisfying and throws into severe question why they should even fight at all

His final opponent has to be someone evil like Nasujuro or Garling, or some possibly unseen villain that has yet to be revealed; transforming, ascending Zoro's ambitions beyond mere personal satisfaction and onto fulfilling justice which is a higher virtue

 

[Albino 👑]

4th RPG was on FMI but after Roger's time it has gone missing.
As Blazing Lion pointed out, Shiryu speculates that WG is in possession of it.
If that is the case, the WG war is just the beginning of the PK race.


Obviously Zoan as only they can be fed to weapons.
Awakening of his current DF counters Zoro's firepower because it makes all the firepower useless, if it ends up formless Nothingness.
He needs something to counter Zoro's overwhelming style, to beat him in CQC.
If I had to guess, it is Orochi's mythical Zoan because he didn't show nearly anything from it.
Which means Raiu turns into 8-headed hydra sword and competes with Zoro's 9-sword style.


Cope dies last.

Thinking cross guild will be the final villain is just sad and I doubt even you actually believe it

 

[nik87]

Thinking cross guild will be the final villain is just sad and I doubt even you actually believe it

What I really believe is that Imu and his gang certainly arent final villains.

 

[Aknolagon]

So The Greatest Swordsman in History doesn't have a Black Blade, needs Kaiju Powers, shares his Hype with Four others, relies on Regeneration & is Purely a Gentle Blade Swordsman? How disappointing

And somehow he is considered as swordsman but "someone" who always uses his sword with his haki is just a hakiman (guess who)

 

[Psychiatrist]

The lost Poneglyph is the one that was probably at FI.
Wano
Zou
WCI
These three have been protected since Rogers time, only FI is missing. There is a chance that WG took it. Shiryus comment also indicates towards the WG having some control of the last one.

The man marked by flames is probably Saul and he will tell SHPs that the 4th poneglyph was taken by WG and is in MJ or another WG affiliated place and thats why SHPs will move there.

That is Saul. And i dont think he is anymore a WG affiliate.
We know the strawhats wont fight with WG before reaching Raftel, before finding about the void century and the Ancient Weapons. Because that does not make sense, until and unless there is another level of Universal level threat we have not yet known. Is there?

 

[Franosuke]

Dam, Mihawk fans cant cope with the possibility of him being nothing but a pit stop for Zoro.



Rare W theory, considering the Gorosei view the ones the surface as mere lifeforms it would make sense why Nusjuro never interfared with Ryuma or Mihawk.

Despite that, I doubt Oda cares that much about swordsmen otherwise Zoro would not be the only competent swordsman vying for the World's Strongest Swordsman title.

The payoff for the most dated, anticipated battle in the manga is just a pit stop.

 

[JoNdule]

Nesujuro > Fujitora >~ peak Shiryu ? Mihawk

 

[Ainchiemi]

Who gives a shit!