Future Events The strongest swordsman in history vs the strongest swordsman of today

#81
It's simple, WG aren't Final Villain Faction, Imu isn't Final Villain

WG are One Side of The Conflict, think of them like the Royal Army in Arabasta Arc or Skypieans in Sky Island Arc
Rebels & Pirates represent Second Side of The Conflict, just like Rebels in Arabasta or Shandians

People keep arguing about Scenarios & Match-Ups that from the beginning based on something that was never Confirmed
Just because it's the Popular Idea, doesn't mean it's True, Oda never said WG are Final Villains, it's just how People think OP should End

Let me ask you a question, does WG need to be Deleted or Fixed? Fixed obviously, because Kingdoms being Allied isn't a Bad Idea, it's actually what's needed for World Peace, it's just that those CDs are Corrupted & Extremists & clearly Afraid of something

When has there ever been a Villainous Group that needed to be Fixed instead of Deleted?
Buggy Pirates, Black Cat Pirates, Krieg Pirates, Arlong Pirates, Wapol Pirates, Baroque Works, Birkans, Thriller Bark Pirates, New Fishmen Pirates, Caesar's Group, Donquixote Pirates, Beasts Pirates, these are Villains Groups that needed to be Defeated to Liberate a Location, did any of them Stay? Did they try to Fix them? Or They were Created to be "Deleted" from said Location

WG + Marines simply needs New Management, not make them Disappear from the World.
The Real Villains of One Piece must be "Outsiders", They represent a Faction that needs to be "No More"

Mihawk has always & will always be Zoro's EOS Opponent, it's just that his Faction isn't Introduced yet, but it's Hinted at by his Religion.
Does people really think that Mihawk being Designed as Religious is just for show? Did Kuma carrying the Bible ended up meaningless?
Just like Kuma turned out to be Sun God Worshipper, Mihawk being Religious means He believes in Higher Power, He believes there is Someone above him, above Yonko, above WG, We just need to await his Introduction

Even in Pre-TS Oda did this, Arlong Arc is Mini-Version of Fishmen Island Arc (Hody), Crocodile Arc is Mini-Version of Dressrosa Arc (Doflamingo), Enel Arc is Mini-Version of Wano Arc (Kaidou), CP-9 Arc is Mini-Version of WG Arc (CDs & Holy Knights & Marines), and then finally Thriller Bark is Mini-Version of OP Ending against Mysterious Villains who are the root of all Evil & Source of all DFs

And then Sabaody represented the Final Island where SHs met "Bad Ending".

In other words, War against WG & Marines & basically World War is Post-TS Version of Enies Lobby War
It's gonna be the biggest for sure, and it's what Fans believe is gonna be the End, but there is actually a Fight afterwards against Mysterious Villains just like Thriller Bark Arc (Where Mihawk is gonna be Endgame Version of Zombie Ryuma Duel)
what do u think abt crossguild as a whole
and how will that group connect mihawk with his " god " as u say ??
 
#82
sigh...

just don't be one of those losers who claims bad writing when Mihawk is actually the strongest
That is literally the gorosei deniers

"Gorosei aren't fighters, they are just political figures with hax DFs"

Meanwhile Oda sets up Imu and the Gorosei as the ultimate villains of the series.

"The great war which ravaged the world during the void century is still ongoing"

Yet y'all earnestly believe that Mihawk will somehow end up being Zoro's final fight. Mihawk is literally just a side character in the main plot of the manga.

The Void Century war is an apocalyptic war that will define the fate of the one piece world. The Gorosei and Imu are the main villains of this war.

Mihawk is just an obstacle between Luffy and The One Piece. Yet y'all keep doing mental gymnastics to push Mihawk into the story's main conflict.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#83
It's the only way to prove himself as the best to ever live, because simply defeating someone does nothing to prove yourself against those who have long been dead. The only way to solidify yourself as the strongest to ever do it, is to do something no one else has ever been able to do.
You don't need to prove yourselves against the dead ones when the strongest ever is your end-game opponent.
When it comes to cutting something unimaginable, only one thing comes to mind - the strongest weapon in the world.

Nobody has ever cut something that stands on top of the world like Yoru does.
Cutting Nothing is 2nd best achievement but it has been done before as it is already known in the world.

And when it comes to flexing the Destructive Capacity, no better target than the Red Line itself.
The bottom line is Zoro wont prove himself as the strongest through non-combat things. Zoro vs Mihawk is the ultimate fight.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#84
That is literally the gorosei deniers

"Gorosei aren't fighters, they are just political figures with hax DFs"

Meanwhile Oda sets up Imu and the Gorosei as the ultimate villains of the series.

"The great war which ravaged the world during the void century is still ongoing"

Yet y'all earnestly believe that Mihawk will somehow end up being Zoro's final fight. Mihawk is literally just a side character in the main plot of the manga.

The Void Century war is an apocalyptic war that will define the fate of the one piece world. The Gorosei and Imu are the main villains of this war.

Mihawk is just an obstacle between Luffy and The One Piece. Yet y'all keep doing mental gymnastics to push Mihawk into the story's main conflict.
Nasjuro is weaker than mihawk
Zoro will 1 vs 2 nasjuro and adult shawk
 
#85
Enma seemed to be the better sword. Unleashing its power helped Zoro cut Kaido and awaken ACoC. Shusui didn't do that for Zoro.
Shusui didn't take part in Kaido's fight but if it did, everything suggests it would have been able to; the issue would be the perma scarring which requires sone kind of Coc and then again, I'm not sure if Asura Shusui wouldn't be able to as we haven't seen it against Kaido.
Enma did ''help''/force Zoro to get better against King though
 
#87
That is literally the gorosei deniers

"Gorosei aren't fighters, they are just political figures with hax DFs"

Meanwhile Oda sets up Imu and the Gorosei as the ultimate villains of the series.

"The great war which ravaged the world during the void century is still ongoing"

Yet y'all earnestly believe that Mihawk will somehow end up being Zoro's final fight. Mihawk is literally just a side character in the main plot of the manga.

The Void Century war is an apocalyptic war that will define the fate of the one piece world. The Gorosei and Imu are the main villains of this war.

Mihawk is just an obstacle between Luffy and The One Piece. Yet y'all keep doing mental gymnastics to push Mihawk into the story's main conflict.
so you are one of them
 
#88
You don't need to prove yourselves against the dead ones when the strongest ever is your end-game opponent.
When it comes to cutting something unimaginable, only one thing comes to mind - the strongest weapon in the world.

Nobody has ever cut something that stands on top of the world like Yoru does.
Cutting Nothing is 2nd best achievement but it has been done before as it is already known in the world.

And when it comes to flexing the Destructive Capacity, no better target than the Red Line itself.
The bottom line is Zoro wont prove himself as the strongest through non-combat things. Zoro vs Mihawk is the ultimate fight.
Mihawk don't even make Kaido's top five, and you think the people in verse rank him as the strongest ever? You might, but the people of the One Piece World damn sure don't. Not a single character in the One Piece World has ranked Mihawk anywhere near the likes of Roger, Whitebeard, or even Ryuma. He's never been spoken of in such regard.

The most Zoro gets recognize for, for beating Mihawk is being the current WSS. His infamy goes no further than that. You want Zoro's name to reach the heavens, you better start accepting that there are other things are in store for him outside of just beating the current WSS.
 
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HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#89
Mihawk don't even make Kaido's top five, and you think the people in verse rank him as the strongest ever? You might, but the people of the One Piece World damn sure don't. Not a single character in the One Piece World has ranked Mihawk anywhere near the likes of Roger, Whitebeard, or even Ryuma. He's never been spoken of in such regard.

The most Zoro gets recognize for, for beating Mihawk is being the current WSS. His infamy goes no further than that. You want Zoro's name to reach the heavens, you better start accepting that there are other things are in store for him outside of just beating the current WSS.
Mihawk is confirmed stronger than people on kaidos top 5
 
#93
We know Mihawk is WSS. We know Zoro will be Next WSS. We know they are Teacher and Student. They can fight anytime they want to settle the case of WSS.

But guys please dont enforce Mihawk to be the absolute strongest person, have absolute strongest weapon and have absolute all the relevance of this world. Calm down, There are serious issues of world destruction going on by the worlds oldest, immortal and probably strongest villains.
I think it makes sense for zoro to get WSS prior fighting with the world destroying calamities.
Otherwise a persona of WSS laying low while the world is destroying doesnt make sense.
 
#94
But so far, the outsiders of previous arcs, e.g. Skypia, were immediately introduced as the true evil. In the current story, we have a pretty complete picture of how the world operates already. We have the Sun God Nika, who once opposed the allied kings who then formed the WG, now it's the same all over again with Nika returning and opposing the WG, with the ancient king Imu sitting on the throne that represents ruling over the world, we also know they are responsible for the void in known history, which is central to the story, we even have Enel on the moon learning about ancient ruins that add little to our knowledge of some hidden enemies, we now also have Vegapunk elaborating on that period of time and the usage of the Ancient Weapons that are the ones responsible to potentially sinking/destroying the world, we also got a guess on how Devil Fruits emerged as people's dreams, with the mother sea being opposed to it.

I don't really see how there is room for a hidden bigger bad that pops up from nowhere Kaguya style.
I already explained this point, WG is indeed a Villainous Group (To some extent), but They cannot be the Root of Evil, cuz They are an Organization that needs to be "Fixed", not "Removed"

WG & Marines should still Exist EOS, their very existence is Necessary for Peace, They simply need New Management or Guidance.
But True Villains are always a Faction that need to be completely Removed from Location that needs to be Liberated (Entire World in this case).
For example, Enel wasn't replaced by New Good Birkans, SHs simply help Kick-Out All Birkans, same for Baroque Works or every Pirate Crew that SHs Faced

And Yes WG are doing Evil stuff, They are Corrupted, but so are Pirates, both of them are Scum, and People are just assuming WG wanna End the World or something, They are just assuming that since They fought Joy Boy or Ancient Kingdom then They must be Biggest Evil ever which isn't True

Why do you think WG ordered Tequila Wolf to be Built? Centuries of building Huge Bridge that connects countless Islands, it's obviously to prepare for the Storm! WG clearly have something They are afraid of

Final Villain isn't gonna pop out of nowhere Kaguya Style, He has always been Foreshadowed in every single Arc.

01. When Luffy started his Journey, He was swallowed by a Whirlpool & ended up in a Barrel (As if He is an Offering to Sea God)
02. When Mihawk was Introduced, Chapter was Title "Storm", indicating that Mihawk is like a Storm summoned by Someone
03. When Buggy was gonna Execute Luffy, a Lightning Bolt saved Luffy & then a Storm hit the Island (Which made Zoro/Sanji Question God)
04. Before They reached Thriller Bark, Robin explained that People used to put Offering to Sea God for Safe Passage
05. WB questioned Existence of God & talked about Land of Gods that was Destroyed before Mary Geoise Time (Just like Birka/Enel)
06. Luffy defeated Crocodile using an Attack called "Gomu Gomu No Storm"
07. Law keep saying "D. will cause Another Storm"
08. Vander Decken The First (Who lived with First Poseidon) angered Sea God during a Huge Storm (Sea God appeared as that Storm itself)
09. Roger Pirates never were able to find Brook, but SHs did all thanks to a Sudden Storm that changed their Path
10. "Fate" is mentioned a million times throughout One Piece, which is basically People questioning Existence of God
11. You think it's coincidence that Luffy was once again forced inside a Whirlpool before Wano Arc started?
12. Celestial Dragons were shown answering to Garling who is Leader of "God's Knights", which God are They Worshipping?
13. Lunarians/Seraphim are based on Angels who served under Throne of God, which God did They Worship?
14. Who does Urouge (Birkan Priest) Pray to?
15. There are countless examples of D. being Protected by Fate, Someone is clearly pulling the Strings
16. Dorry & Brogy talked about "High Words of Elbaf God" who decides who Win & who Loses & grants Divine Protection to People
17. If Nika was the Liberator, who was the Villain in his Story? Who is this Villain who made Sun Disappear?
18. Storms & Weather in Grand Line happen without Warning, that's cuz it's Man-Made
19. Dragon keeps talking about the Wind as if it's some sort of Religion
20. Before Drum Island as well, They changed their Course because of a Sudden Storm, when Nami was very Sick & needed a Doctor

And there are many many more References & Foreshadowing
Enel called himself God, Ruler of Skypiea is Called God, Lunarians were called Gods, Fishmen Island Royalty are considered Godly, Celestial Dragons call themselves Gods, We have Mountain God, Sword God, Mythical Zoans based on Gods, Sun God, Ancient Weapons are named after Gods ... etc

But at the End, there is an Actual Character who is indeed God of One Piece Verse, and that is who Mihawk Worships.
what do u think abt crossguild as a whole
and how will that group connect mihawk with his " god " as u say ??
Simple, Mihawk represents "Power" of Cross Guild, Crocodile represent it's "Wealth" & Buggy it's "Fame"
They basically Mirror Zoro, Nami & Usopp (Whose Recruitment Arcs are clear Reference of Power, Wealth & Fame)

That means someone is gonna take over Cross Guild
In other words, Buggy isn't Luffy of Cross Guild, He is their Usopp, their Luffy didn't get Introduced yet
 
#95
Are They Main Villains of Egghead Arc or not?
No need for Gymnastics
Egghead being the first arc of the final saga is a perfect place to give us a taste of how strong the EoS villans are.

Yes Gorosei are the main villans of Egghead arc but the main villans are here not to get defeated by the end of this arc rather they are here to give a glimpse to us readers of what we are up against.

On Egghead , for SHs the goal is to survive & escape with the giants & set sail for Elbaf. Goroseis themselves aren't 100% focused on eliminating SHs this arc , they are mostly preoccupied with stopping the broadcast ASAP because they don't know how much VP knows and hence till what extent is he going to spill the beans.

Securing the motherflame , York to use the motherflame , seraphims , eliminating SHPs are all matters of priority for them but none of those surpass the urgency to stop VP's broadcast . Therefore SHs not being the center of their attention luckily have a chance of making out alive from egghead & even for that so many characters are having to sacrifice themselves for helping SHs escape.

Goroseis can tank & regen to an absurd extent & now we are learning that their Attack Power is also top tier apparently , it's safe to say that they are stronger than anyone SHs have faced so far.
 
#97
Egghead being the first arc of the final saga is a perfect place to give us a taste of how strong the EoS villans are.

Yes Gorosei are the main villans of Egghead arc but the main villans are here not to get defeated by the end of this arc rather they are here to give a glimpse to us readers of what we are up against.

On Egghead , for SHs the goal is to survive & escape with the giants & set sail for Elbaf. Goroseis themselves aren't 100% focused on eliminating SHs this arc , they are mostly preoccupied with stopping the broadcast ASAP because they don't know how much VP knows and hence till what extent is he going to spill the beans.

Securing the motherflame , York to use the motherflame , seraphims , eliminating SHPs are all matters of priority for them but none of those surpass the urgency to stop VP's broadcast . Therefore SHs not being the center of their attention luckily have a chance of making out alive from egghead & even for that so many characters are having to sacrifice themselves for helping SHs escape.

Goroseis can tank & regen to an absurd extent & now we are learning that their Attack Power is also top tier apparently , it's safe to say that they are stronger than anyone SHs have faced so far.
Sure, Oda can use First Arc to give us a "Taste"
But Egghead showed us way more than just a Taste

We've seen Mother Flame Used, so it wasn't just a Taste, We've actually seen how Powerful is their Secret Weapon
They sent CP-0 and not just any Non-Named Masked Agents, They actually sent Three Major Characters & definitely saw them Fight

They didn't just send some Marines, not even a Normal Buster Call, They sent 20 Battleships alongside 80 Smaller Ones led by around Ten Vice Admirals, not just 5, and even brought an Admiral, and They been Fighting for so long now

They didn't just Tease New Pacifista Models, They actually showed the entire 50 of them, and They were shown Fighting both Battleships & Destroying an Island & we kept switching between who commands them & then They got all Defeated by Venus

They didn't just Tease Seraphim by showing One or Two, We are seeing Four of them & They already appeared many Chapters & their DFs were Revealed & They are still Part of the Conflict & Fought multiple Characters

So yeah, Mother Flame, CP-0, Marines, Pacifista, Seraphim ... etc will still appear Post-Egghead & have Important Role, but this is far from saying it's just a "Taste", Oda could have shown much less than this if They are supposed to only be Teasers, no need to make the Conflict this Big when the SHs aren't even in Mood to Fight

And finally, We have Gorosei, at first We could agree that Oda was just showing us a Taste cuz We only got Saturn, but All Five? That's more than just a Taste!

When Oda wanted to show us a Taste of Crocodile's Commanders, did He Introduce all of them in Whisky Peak or Little Garden?
When Oda wanted to show us a Taste of Kaidou's Calamities, did He Introduce all of them in Zou or only Teased Jack?
When Oda wanted to show us a Taste of Enel's Priests, did He make SHs face all Four Trials at once or only Satori's?
When Oda wanted to show us a Taste of Sweet Commanders, did He make all Three attack Luffy in Seducing Woods?

All Five Gorosei are in Egghead, Mother Flame is in Egghead, Majority of Seraphim are in Egghead, All Pacifista are in Egghead, Only CP-0 Masked Agents who are Relevant are in Egghead, and their Biggest Victims are in Egghead, Kuma is there, Bonney is there, Vegapunk is there, Ancient Robot is there & who knows who else gonna come too

Oda doesn't need to keep these Enemies, this is the Biggest Role They ever gonna get, They will appear again, but They will be Less Important than They are now
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#98
Mihawk don't even make Kaido's top five, and you think the people in verse rank him as the strongest ever? You might, but the people of the One Piece World damn sure don't. Not a single character in the One Piece World has ranked Mihawk anywhere near the likes of Roger, Whitebeard, or even Ryuma. He's never been spoken of in such regard.

The most Zoro gets recognize for, for beating Mihawk is being the current WSS. His infamy goes no further than that. You want Zoro's name to reach the heavens, you better start accepting that there are other things are in store for him outside of just beating the current WSS.
Mihawk not being in Kaido's top 5 is a good thing. That list is made of Kaido's hype tools.
People capable of fighting him but not strong enough to beat him. Mihawk doesn't belong on that list.
Especially if you realize that Yamato and Big Mom and Luffy also make that list when you extend it beyond 5 spots.

The inverse ranking of Mihawk doesn't matter, they have no clue how strong he truly is, nobody knows.
His true power is intentionally being kept hidden. Even the one who fought his has no clue of his true strength - Shanks.
This is foreshadowed by Brook having no clue how strong zRyuma actually was despite fighting him several times.

You haven't been paying attention... Oda's intention with Zoro is to make him absolute strongest and it doesn't apply to OPverse alone.
According to Oda, Miyamoto Musashi was the greatest ever and used 2 swords and his intention with Zoro is to make him even greater.
Even greater than a character that isn't even part of the OPverse and you have doubts that Zoro will be stronger than inverse characters?
Shiiieeet...

Yes, Zoro's name should reach the heavens as that is part of his dream.
If you think it is done by beating one of the 5 underlings of Imu, hell, we have an issue with reading comprehension here...
Zoro is a character with an impossible dream, just like the other 9 Strawhats and his achievement will be impossible for all others.
Beating Gorosei is not an achievement that is impossible for others. Embrace the ultimate power and think bigger, by a lot.


But guys please dont enforce Mihawk to be the absolute strongest person, have absolute strongest weapon and have absolute all the relevance of this world. Calm down, There are serious issues of world destruction going on by the worlds oldest, immortal and probably strongest villains.
I think it makes sense for zoro to get WSS prior fighting with the world destroying calamities.
Otherwise a persona of WSS laying low while the world is destroying doesnt make sense.
Mihawk being the absolute strongest person is quite logical. Why?
Because he does have the absolute strongest weapon and it is his own doing(strongest haki) in making it the strongest.
His relevance is good enough, saved up for the very finale of the show to show us a display of ultimate power.

It happens that those world's oldest, "immortal" and "probably strongest" villains don't have haki strong enough to dethrone Yoru from the #1 spot. "World destroying calamities" are the ancient weapons, not the villains you speak of. WSS will be involved in the WG war, he has to place Buggy on the Empty Throne. All that is just a warm-up for the ultimate treasure hunt. WG is likely just a location of 4th RPG.
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
#99
Mihawk being the strongest swordsman is definitely a possibility but he isn't the strongest character.



Second, Venus isn't about duel but overcoming his regen.


"How to permanently cut someone who can heal " it's again the same thing 'to cut nothing - breathe of everything.


Tbh, unless zoro vs mihawk happens after final war I don't think Mihawk is the final opponent for Zoro. CG won't cut the deal and it's clear that void century plot takes priority over WSS.


So, either Zoro vs Mihawk will happen after the war or Mihawk isn't EoS opponent for Zoro
 
absolute strongest weapon
Strongest sword. Yes
Strongest weapon. Debatable when we still have ancient weapons. Thats to be seen for later.



happens that those world's oldest, "immortal" and "probably strongest" villains don't have haki strong enough to dethrone Yoru from the #1 spot. "World destroying calamities" are the ancient weapons, not the villains you speak of. WSS will be involved in the WG war, he has to place Buggy on the Empty Throne. All that is just a warm-up for the ultimate treasure hunt. WG is likely just a location of 4th RPG.
So when do they fight?
Scenario 1: They fight at PK Title race, before World Government War. This makes sense as zoro will be WSS before fighting the oldest civilization there is known.

Scenario 2: They fight post World Government War. This doesnt make sense. When the whole world is in chaos and destruction taking place at massive scale, will the supposedly world strongest take a nap, or join the war along side Luffy. If mihawk joins the War should he not fight IMU, the strongest there it is. Or mihawk will fight the ancient weapons? It doesnt add up na???
 
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