Fanclub The V̶i̶n̶s̶m̶o̶k̶e̶ Sanji FC: The Prince of love

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

I really doubt Gaban can just sense that stuff. I think he told Sanji something that hits hard like “You better or you’d be useless to your captain without it.” Sanjis whole character arc is about him wanting to be of use to others rather than choosing what he wants after all and slowly breaking that part of him.

Yeah it's impossible to just sense it like that otherwise he would have already told them both they could use it
If he has to say something off panel then it's likely not that important

 

[Julius]

Guys power of love is just the manifestation of Sanji's conquerors haki

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Guys power of love is just the manifestation of Sanji's conquerors haki

I wouldn’t be too surprised if Oda went that route just seems so… odd with how its been used.

Like this was what’s been blocking Sanjis mutations since he was born, if it was CoC that’s so random.

 

[Rumble]

Guys power of love is just the manifestation of Sanji's conquerors haki

It’s not CoC.

If it was, it would’ve been sensed as such.

 

[Julius]

I wouldn’t be too surprised if Oda went that route just seems so… odd with how its been used.

Like this was what’s been blocking Sanjis mutations since he was born, if it was CoC that’s so random.

Sanji's Power of Love so far has been used when he is protecting someone he relates with.

CoC users manifestate their conquerors haki when they are protecting someone, specially in life and death situations.

Oda is just trying to be different and not so obvious with Sanji's CoC reveal.

 

[Rumble]

Another way of thinking of PoL is as the Haki that expresses the will to protect.

It’s a power rooted in selflessness and good will to others.

 

[Max]

I really doubt Gaban can just sense that stuff. I think he told Sanji something that hits hard like “You better or you’d be useless to your captain without it.” Sanjis whole character arc is about him wanting to be of use to others rather than choosing what he wants after all and slowly breaking that part of him.

Depends what you mean by "stuff". Sanji harassed Gaban to know if he has CoC, which wouldn't make sense if Gaban couldn't sense that kind of thing with his CoO. So it seems that he mastered his CoO to such a degree that he can sense people's inner abilities (or any form of haki, at least).

Yeah it's impossible to just sense it like that otherwise he would have already told them both they could use it
If he has to say something off panel then it's likely not that important

Pretty much the opposite. If he says it off-panel with Oda intentionally hiding what he said and Sanji being shocked, it's likely very important.

We don't know if he was only talking about Zoro, the phrasing is ambiguous. He said there's more than one person who has it. then focused on Zoro because he got used to it and can actively use it. That doesn't mean he only sensed it in Zoro. The fact that he only talked to him doesn't have to mean his initial statement was only about him, it could easily just be additional information.

In short, there are 2 ways you can interpret that sentence:

"There's one more person who can use CoC, I'm talking about the swordsman."
or
"There are 2 more persons who can use CoC and the swordsman already awakened his."

Unless the actual sentence in Japanese rules out the second interpretation, but I wouldn't know.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Depends what you mean by "stuff". Sanji harassed Gaban to know if he has CoC, which wouldn't make sense if Gaban couldn't sense that kind of thing with his CoO. So it seems that he mastered his CoO to such a degree that he can sense people's inner abilities (or any form of haki, at least).


Pretty much the opposite. If he says it off-panel with Oda intentionally hiding what he said and Sanji being shocked, it's likely very important.

We don't know if he was only talking about Zoro, the phrasing is ambiguous. He said there's more than one person who has it. then focused on Zoro because he got used to it and can actively use it. That doesn't mean he only sensed it in Zoro. The fact that he only talked to him doesn't have to mean his initial statement was only about him, it could easily just be additional information.

In short, there are 2 ways you can interpret that sentence:

"There's one more person who can use CoC, I'm talking about the swordsman."
or
"There are 2 more persons who can use CoC and the swordsman already awakened his."

Unless the actual sentence in Japanese rules out the second interpretation, but I wouldn't know.

He was actively shocked that Zoro didn't know it, though. And in contrast, with Sanji, he saw Sanji constantly asking "IS IT ME? DO I HAVE IT? I HAVE TO HAVE IT, OTHERWISE MARIMO WILL SURPASS ME!!" and just ignored him completely. Why ignore the guy that's genuinely curious and ask the guy who you think is already aware that he has Conq Haki?
I really do think Sanji just doesn't have it at all yet. He'll unlock it later this arc though.

 

[Max]

He was actively shocked that Zoro didn't know it, though. And in contrast, with Sanji, he saw Sanji constantly asking "IS IT ME? DO I HAVE IT? I HAVE TO HAVE IT, OTHERWISE MARIMO WILL SURPASS ME!!" and just ignored him completely. Why ignore the guy that's genuinely curious and ask the guy who you think is already aware that he has Conq Haki?
I really do think Sanji just doesn't have it at all yet. He'll unlock it later this arc though.

He was shocked Zoro didn't know because he can actively use it already. Doesn't mean he'd be shocked that someone whose CoC is dormant wouldn't know they have CoC, it wouldn't even make sense to be shocked about that.

The fact he ended up saying something to Sanji "secretely" with Sanji being seemingly shocked, proves that there's more to it. Otherwise, he would have kept ignoring him and left it at that.

I never said Sanji already awakened it, btw. But it's a fact that CoC is something people are born with, so Gaban having such a powerful CoO that he can even sense someone's dormant CoC is a strong possibility. Which would explain why Sanji kept asking if he has it, despite knowing he didn't unlock it yet.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

He was shocked Zoro didn't know because he can actively use it already. Doesn't mean he'd be shocked that someone whose CoC is dormant wouldn't know they have CoC, it wouldn't even make sense to be shocked about that.

The fact he ended up saying something to Sanji "secretely" with Sanji being seemingly shocked, proves that there's more to it. Otherwise, he would have kept ignoring him and left it at that.

I never said Sanji already awakened it, btw. But it's a fact that CoC is something people are born with, so Gaban having such a powerful CoO that he can even sense someone's dormant CoC is a strong possibility. Which would explain why Sanji kept asking if he has it, despite knowing he didn't unlock it yet.

If people could sense dormant Conq Haki Kaido wouldn't have only pointed out Luffy and Zoro having it only after they flared it in a fight against him. That obviously isn't how it works at all.

 

[Max]

If people could sense dormant Conq Haki Kaido wouldn't have only pointed out Luffy and Zoro having it only after they flared it in a fight against him. That obviously isn't how it works at all.

We have no idea if Kaido's CoO would be powerful enough to sense dormant CoC. It could be an even more advanced application than FS, for all we know. So no, there's nothing "obvious" here. You can say you don't believe it, but that's about it.

And let's not act like Oda is consistent when it comes to haki use anyway.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

We have no idea if Kaido's CoO would be powerful enough to sense dormant CoC. It could be an even more advanced application than FS, for all we know. So no, there's nothing "obvious" here. You can say you don't believe it, but that's about it.

And let's not act like Oda is consistent when it comes to haki use anyway.

I just really doubt it but to each their own I guess.
No reason to be at eachother's throats about it anyway since it's obvious he'll get Conq Haki regardless

 

[Max]

I just really doubt it but to each their own I guess.
No reason to be at eachother's throats about it anyway since it's obvious he'll get Conq Haki regardless

Mate, we're not at each other's throat, we're just debating calmly. It's ok to disagree on something. I know some users like to call each other "retard", "illiterate" or other unpleasant things when they disagree, but that'd never happen with me.

What's so unsettling about an advanced application of CoO that'd detect dormant CoC? I know people in Marineford couldn't tell Luffy had it before he actually used it, but aside from an obvious retcon due to the fact haki wasn't a fully fleshed out concept at the time, you can rationalize this by concluding that they just didn't bother using that advanced application on Luffy. They had no real reason to so, after all.

And once again, even if Sanji harassing Gaban was a gag, him expecting to get anything from him only makes sense if he can also sense dormant CoC. I doubt Sanji thought he could use it already.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Mate, we're not at each other's throat, we're just debating calmly. It's ok to disagree on something. I know some users like to call each other "retard", "illiterate" or other unpleasant things when they disagree, but that'd never happen with me.

What's so unsettling about an advanced application of CoO that'd detect dormant CoC? I know people in Marineford couldn't tell Luffy had it before he actually used it, but aside from an obvious retcon due to the fact haki wasn't a fully fleshed out concept at the time, you can rationalize this by concluding that they just didn't bother using that advanced application on Luffy. They had no real reason to so, after all.

And once again, even if Sanji harassing Gaban was a gag, him expecting to get anything from him only makes sense if he can also sense dormant CoC. I doubt Sanji thought he could use it already.

It's not unsettling but it is just blatant headcanon that Oda likely won't do

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Depends what you mean by "stuff". Sanji harassed Gaban to know if he has CoC, which wouldn't make sense if Gaban couldn't sense that kind of thing with his CoO. So it seems that he mastered his CoO to such a degree that he can sense people's inner abilities (or any form of haki, at least).


Pretty much the opposite. If he says it off-panel with Oda intentionally hiding what he said and Sanji being shocked, it's likely very important.

We don't know if he was only talking about Zoro, the phrasing is ambiguous. He said there's more than one person who has it. then focused on Zoro because he got used to it and can actively use it. That doesn't mean he only sensed it in Zoro. The fact that he only talked to him doesn't have to mean his initial statement was only about him, it could easily just be additional information.

In short, there are 2 ways you can interpret that sentence:

"There's one more person who can use CoC, I'm talking about the swordsman."
or
"There are 2 more persons who can use CoC and the swordsman already awakened his."

Unless the actual sentence in Japanese rules out the second interpretation, but I wouldn't know.

By stuff I mean dormant abilities. Inner demons, dormant CoC, that kinda stuff.

I think CoC is something that can’t be sensed until it’s awakened. We had Luffy in Marineford surrounded by top tiers and not one noticed he had CoC until he used it.

CoO can definitely do a lot of things; however, I think Sanji just being told he has it or doesn’t have it would be odd with Sanjis design for the rest of this chapter. There’s no rage from being told he doesn’t have it or any gloating from being told he does. He’s just neutral which is why I think he wasnt told something definitive but was more told something relat

 

[Max]

It's not unsettling but it is just blatant headcanon that Oda likely won't do

"Headcanon" is a strong word. Sanji expecting Gaban to tell him whether he has CoC, or BB literally being able to sense Luffy's dormant haki in Impel Down, shows that my idea is based on actual facts. And Oda is the one who included those scenes in his story. So it's not really what I'd call headcanon (if you mean it's baseless), regardless of whether it's true.

By stuff I mean dormant abilities. Inner demons, dormant CoC, that kinda stuff.

I think CoC is something that can’t be sensed until it’s awakened. We had Luffy in Marineford surrounded by top tiers and not one noticed he had CoC until he used it.

CoO can definitely do a lot of things; however, I think Sanji just being told he has it or doesn’t have it would be odd with Sanjis design for the rest of this chapter. There’s no rage from being told he doesn’t have it or any gloating from being told he does. He’s just neutral which is why I think he wasnt told something definitive but was more told something relat

I addressed the Marineford situation in my previous post.

I agree that what Gaban said isn't as straightforward as "you have CoC", but he might have hinted at it by mentioning something else that disturbed Sanji. Like, for example, if he said something about Sanji holding back because of his inner emotionless self, it'd make sense that he wouldn't be in the mood to gloat about dormant CoC (especially if Gaban didn't explicitly say he has it).

 

[FutureWarrior123]

Nah i disagree upon that until fruther notice
There is a reason oda neither show a logia awakening till now nor let a admiral be defeated as of the second arc of the final saga (and unless there is cut away its safe to say atleast the third)
Sanji will atleast need 2 pus, one this arc and one he fights an admiral, to defeat one at minimum

I don't know what you are expecting but Oda is very conservative with power up handouts and there's no reason to think this upcoming upgrade won't result in a jump several tiers higher, especially with something like CoC which allowed Luffy to go from fodder to Hybrid Kaido to matching him blow for blow in base form.

I'm honestly not expecting more than 2 by EOS.

 

[PuckTheGreat]

Quick question about Lafitte who personally has my vote for Sanji's BB pirate matchup.

Oda is most like going to separate Teach's top 2 with the exception of Aokiji from the bunch by making them stand out more than the other BB Pirates. One way to do that would be to make only the top 2 awakened DF users, but then I feel that defeats the point of the BB Pirates being so DF oriented if they aren't all awakened so another possibility I reckon is that Shiryu and Lafitte for instance have 2 devil fruits to Teach's 3 and the rest of the crews's 1. Interestingly enough both Shiryu and Lafitte use a sword and a cane respectively so Oda could very easily have their weapons eat powerful DFs. we've seen characters like Shamrock with a Ceberous type sword for instance, so feel like DF weapons might become more recurrent from now till the end of the series. All that said assuming Lafitte is Sanji's opponent and he gets two DFs what would y'all like them to be?

If you think Sanji's BB Pirate is someone else, feel free to give DF suggestions for said character as well ^^

 

[Jackteo]

Quick question about Lafitte who personally has my vote for Sanji's BB pirate matchup.

Oda is most like going to separate Teach's top 2 with the exception of Aokiji from the bunch by making them stand out more than the other BB Pirates. One way to do that would be to make only the top 2 awakened DF users, but then I feel that defeats the point of the BB Pirates being so DF oriented if they aren't all awakened so another possibility I reckon is that Shiryu and Lafitte for instance have 2 devil fruits to Teach's 3 and the rest of the crews's 1. Interestingly enough both Shiryu and Lafitte use a sword and a cane respectively so Oda could very easily have their weapons eat powerful DFs. we've seen characters like Shamrock with a Ceberous type sword for instance, so feel like DF weapons might become more recurrent from now till the end of the series. All that said assuming Lafitte is Sanji's opponent and he gets two DFs what would y'all like them to be?

If you think Sanji's BB Pirate is someone else, feel free to give DF suggestions for said character as well ^^

I need Sanji's opponent to have the diamond fruit

A diamond cape/cane/belt/crown/armor would be good enough but the issue is objects cannot "eat" paramecia. Green blood is required for that.
My only hope for a diamond opponent is Diamond Lafitte, the sole guy without a confirmed DF

If Sanji can generate fire, Lafitte can grow a pair of wings while being DFless

BB and his crew are the best DF hunters in the world, you can't convince me they didn't even manage to steal a single fruit from the WB pirates

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Quick question about Lafitte who personally has my vote for Sanji's BB pirate matchup.

Oda is most like going to separate Teach's top 2 with the exception of Aokiji from the bunch by making them stand out more than the other BB Pirates. One way to do that would be to make only the top 2 awakened DF users, but then I feel that defeats the point of the BB Pirates being so DF oriented if they aren't all awakened so another possibility I reckon is that Shiryu and Lafitte for instance have 2 devil fruits to Teach's 3 and the rest of the crews's 1. Interestingly enough both Shiryu and Lafitte use a sword and a cane respectively so Oda could very easily have their weapons eat powerful DFs. we've seen characters like Shamrock with a Ceberous type sword for instance, so feel like DF weapons might become more recurrent from now till the end of the series. All that said assuming Lafitte is Sanji's opponent and he gets two DFs what would y'all like them to be?

If you think Sanji's BB Pirate is someone else, feel free to give DF suggestions for said character as well ^^

I think Shiryu will have two DFs (one in his sword) and Lafitte will have one strong devil fruit plus a special bloodline ability tbh