Fanclub The V̶i̶n̶s̶m̶o̶k̶e̶ Sanji FC: The Prince of love

[Welkin]

He could have just said "i dont sense it in you".
People came up with this moronic headcanon of people "sensing" other's dormant coc.
That's not how it ever worked in the story.
Characters only are aware of having it, whether Oda says it on some SBS, say it inside the story (Kid) or if they use it at least once in the story.

He can't sense it in Sanji if Sanji hasn't unlocked it yet. It's not rocket science. It's not a conspiracy, it's just how it's always been.

Sanji is a salty character. Ever since Usopp gloated about appearing on Luffy's bounty, Sanji already was mad about it.
He got mad about only luffy and zoro having bounties after alabasta.
He got mad about his drawn poster.
He got excited for having a bounty higher than Zoro's, and now he is mad because even Jimbo has a bounty higher than his.

It's always been a thing.
And now he's mad about not having Conqueror's Haki, especially since Zoro has it, and it is a REQUIREMENT for fighting the WG members.
Remember against Queen, his inner monologue. (what's more useful to be at the Pirate King's side?)
Sanji has a drive to be stronger if needed without sacrificing his humanity.
It just needs to be explored, which is a chance for it to happen now. He can either unlock it here, like the usual arc PU, but it is, by OP standards, that SANJI alone is gonna get some PU, while Luffy and Zoro dont. Can it happen? Sure. But my bet would be that this is his future PU.
Exoskeleton compensates the fact that Sanji isn't a CoA specialist. So in order to compete with people with better CoA than his, he gets the exoskeleton, and it also allows him to upgrade his flames.
But for more AP, the way now is through CoA 2.0, aka, ACOC. That's all. Power of Love, so far, isn't "AP". Power of Love so far only allows him to perform stuff that shouldn't be possible, like stopping a laser beam, or enduring his own flames.

The only issue with that is we’ve seen what Sanji looks like when he’s brooding or pissed off about something and we didn’t get anything like that this time

He didn’t seem angry, sad, excited, or anything really

He had a split second reaction then instantly moved on. I think that’s the most confusing thing about it

If Gaban told him “you have it” then obviously he would’ve been jumping for joy which is very in character for him. On the other hand, if Gaban told him he couldn’t sense it he’d be visibly disappointed for at least a little bit

The chapter went on like nothing happened though. That’s the weirdest part about it. Oda usually uses Sanji’s salty side for a gag moment or 2 but he didn’t this time

I dunno… it seems off. I’m still thinking that Gaban might be able to point out a fellow Power of Love user. To me that’s the only thing that might make sense

 

[Doggo]

The only issue with that is we’ve seen what Sanji looks like when he’s brooding or pissed off about something and we didn’t get anything like that this time

He didn’t seem angry, sad, excited, or anything really

He had a split second reaction then instantly moved on. I think that’s the most confusing thing about it

If Gaban told him “you have it” then obviously he would’ve been jumping for joy which is very in character for him. On the other hand, if Gaban told him he couldn’t sense it he’d be visibly disappointed for at least a little bit

The chapter went on like nothing happened though. That’s the weirdest part about it. Oda usually uses Sanji’s salty side for a gag moment or 2 but he didn’t this time

I dunno… it seems off. I’m still thinking that Gaban might be able to point out a fellow Power of Love user. To me that’s the only thing that might make sense

I think it will be addressed during his fight against a HK or devilgiant. So i'm not much worried.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

That’s why I’m a little confused by the side panel that implies Gaban said something important to Sanji

People keep saying he said X, Y, or Z and none of them make sense narratively

“You’re stifling your spear of grit” as a callback would be cool but makes no sense since Gaban’s known Sanji for 5 minutes

“Your Germa genes are another way to counter them” How would he know that? There’s no guarantee that he knows Sanji’s name and even if he does how would he know that the exoskeleton has a unique reaction to Imu’s gifted immortality?

“Your flames can counter their regeneration” Again, no way for him to know he even uses fire. Not to mention it’s been all but confirmed that his flames are separate from Germa entirely so he’d have no way of knowing about its existence

Now Oda foregoes logic sometimes so it could still be any one of these but I can’t say it would be satisfying for Sanji’s character

“You tell me. I’ll tell you what, the only thing worse than an idiot who doesn’t know their own powers is a useless idiot who doesn’t and thinks they do.”

 

[Welkin]

“You tell me. I’ll tell you what, the only thing worse than an idiot who doesn’t know their own powers is a useless idiot who doesn’t and thinks they do.”

So what are we thinking it actually is

PoL or CoC? Or maybe it's neither. I'm still thinking about what Oda said in that SBS a while back when he brought up Sanji's unnatural resistance to heat. He did say that we should pay closer to attention to him in the future (this was mid Egghead iirc) so maybe we'll get an answer for that this arc

We have an interesting poll going so I won't request a change but I think we should get one going eventually. I wanna hear everyone's thoughts

 

[Sir Yasheen]

So what are we thinking it actually is

PoL or CoC? Or maybe it's neither. I'm still thinking about what Oda said in that SBS a while back when he brought up Sanji's unnatural resistance to heat. He did say that we should pay closer to attention to him in the future (this was mid Egghead iirc) so maybe we'll get an answer for that this arc

We have an interesting poll going so I won't request a change but I think we should get one going eventually. I wanna hear everyone's thoughts

I think it’ll be both.

Sanjis next fire boost will be like how Sanji combines CoA and Exoskeleton, just this time with CoC and PoL

 

[Julius]

Exoskeleton compensates the fact that Sanji isn't a CoA specialist.

I don't even think thats the case tho, its not about how strong his CoA is because he already mentioned he already needed to make it stronger to achieve Ifrit Jambe, which means the Exoskeleton alone wasn't enough.

And the most important: The Exoskeleton has properties that even CoA Masters can't achieve, Oda made that clear through Queen's Brachiosnakeus and even mentioned it in his Vivre Card. So the Exoskeleton is "Sanji's DF", it gives him stuff he can't achieve with Haki, and it justifies other insane abilities such as invisibility through speed boost, more physical strength (similar to how Gear 5 gives Luffy more strength) and the sturdiness that makes him not be a paper man like most regular humans in OP.



So if you're not a swordsman (or wields anything that cuts things such as axeman Gaban) but a martial artist, you either need insane devil fruits or insane Haki, or a mix of both.

 

[Doggo]

I don't even think thats the case tho, its not about how strong his CoA is because he already mentioned he already needed to make it stronger to achieve Ifrit Jambe, which means the Exoskeleton alone wasn't enough.

And the most important: The Exoskeleton has properties that even CoA Masters can't achieve, Oda made that clear through Queen's Brachiosnakeus and even mentioned it in his Vivre Card. So the Exoskeleton is "Sanji's DF", it gives him stuff he can't achieve with Haki, and it justifies other insane abilities such as invisibility through speed boost, more physical strength (similar to how Gear 5 gives Luffy more strength) and the sturdiness that makes him not be a paper man like most regular humans in OP.



So if you're not a swordsman (or wields anything that cuts things such as axeman Gaban) but a martial artist, you either need insane devil fruits or insane Haki, or a mix of both.

Stop the cap.
Sanji suffered from Vergo's CoA, he had trouble actually damaging Queen. His pre awakening wasn't doing near enough dmg.
Sanji always had good AP, but he was lagging behind here and there by people with either stronger defense, or better CoA.
He needed something to compensate.
Hence, exoskeleton.

 

[Julius]

Stop the cap.
Sanji suffered from Vergo's CoA, he had trouble actually damaging Queen. His pre awakening wasn't doing near enough dmg.
Sanji always had good AP, but he was lagging behind here and there by people with either stronger defense, or better CoA.
He needed something to compensate.
Hence, exoskeleton.

Sanji didn’t suffer from Vergo's CoA tho, thats a bland statement. Sanji was not only previously injured but we can't even tell if what cracked Sanji's tibis was indeed a CoA clash where he objectively lost to Vergo's CoA.

Sanji blocked Daifuku's spear that could cut through several ship, Judge's spear that sliced the ground like butter after getting freely beaten by his siblings, blocked Big Mom's attack with Luffy's help, blocked King's kick where we see CoA sparks coming out of it... he shouldn't be doing that if his Haki was bad for the level he was, against Vergo it was probably cuz he didn't know how troublesome Vergo, who is also a pretty skilled Rokushiki User, could actually be.

And if Sanji had cracked his bone due to CoA, he would've cracked it way more since he traded quite a few kicks with Vergo lol. Sanji has fought with broken bones since ever, the fight against Bon Clay is a great example, so its not a biiiig deal.

His pre Awakening wasn't doing great damage but he got accomplished after Bien Cuit: Gill Shot. Sanji's arsenal is quite vast and you know it.

What i meant before was: There are stuff the Exoskeleton gives to Sanji that can't be given even with insane Color of Armament, like the speed, the regeneration, and obviously the physical strength that sent Queen flying like a rocket, i didn't say the Exoskeleton was useless but its clearly more than a mere "Sanji's CoA is bad so here is the Exoskeleton", Oda has never implied that. Without the Exoskeleton, even if he had the best CoA in the crew, Brachiosnakeus would've killed him.

The overall sturdiness + "CoA I've developed" (Sanji's own words) is what made Ifrit Jambe be a thing.

CoA is actually pretty limited when u think about it, Luffy wouldn't be as near as strong without his Devil Fruit simply with his CoA. The same applies to Sanji's Exoskeleton of course, no matter how good his CoA gets to be

(next step is CoC now we got already past that shit dawg
)

 

[Doggo]

Sanji didn’t suffer from Vergo's CoA tho, thats a bland statement. Sanji was not only previously injured but we can't even tell if what cracked Sanji's tibis was indeed a CoA clash where he objectively lost to Vergo's CoA.

Sanji blocked Daifuku's spear that could cut through several ship, Judge's spear that sliced the ground like butter after getting freely beaten by his siblings, blocked Big Mom's attack with Luffy's help, blocked King's kick where we see CoA sparks coming out of it... he shouldn't be doing that if his Haki was bad for the level he was, against Vergo it was probably cuz he didn't know how troublesome Vergo, who is also a pretty skilled Rokushiki User, could actually be.

And if Sanji had cracked his bone due to CoA, he would've cracked it way more since he traded quite a few kicks with Vergo lol. Sanji has fought with broken bones since ever, the fight against Bon Clay is a great example, so its not a biiiig deal.

His pre Awakening wasn't doing great damage but he got accomplished after Bien Cuit: Gill Shot. Sanji's arsenal is quite vast and you know it.

What i meant before was: There are stuff the Exoskeleton gives to Sanji that can't be given even with insane Color of Armament, like the speed, the regeneration, and obviously the physical strength that sent Queen flying like a rocket, i didn't say the Exoskeleton was useless but its clearly more than a mere "Sanji's CoA is bad so here is the Exoskeleton", Oda has never implied that. Without the Exoskeleton, even if he had the best CoA in the crew, Brachiosnakeus would've killed him.

The overall sturdiness + "CoA I've developed" (Sanji's own words) is what made Ifrit Jambe be a thing.

CoA is actually pretty limited when u think about it, Luffy wouldn't be as near as strong without his Devil Fruit simply with his CoA. The same applies to Sanji's Exoskeleton of course, no matter how good his CoA gets to be

(next step is CoC now we got already past that shit dawg
)

Brother, he immediately suffered an injury as soon as Vergo came at him more seriously.
Vergo wasn't even on his full black armament body still. Vergo was a stated CoA monster.
Cracked legs aside, Sanji had major trouble with Vergo's CoA. Stop trying to overwank Sanji like a Ztard overwanks Zoro. It will only lead to disappointment.
Look at Chrono. Mfer spent not only months with the sanji vs king threads, but he also was bold enough to make some "King>Big Mom" ones as well.
Relax.
Sanji is guaranteed to get his shine moving forward, just don't overshoot it.

 

[Royal Kick]

This is Max posting, made another account to change my username for something more impersonal.

Anything is possible. People came up with this "moronic headcanon" of sensing dormant CoC being an impossibility because characters never did it before. How many times did Oda introduce haki-related stuff that characters never used before? Where was FS at Marineford? Where was ACoA? Where was CoC coating? Where was even basic CoA coating? But another application of ACoO that would allow Gaban to sense dormant CoC is somehow a moronic idea. Get real. Oda introduces new haki applications as he goes along, it's nothing new. If BB was able to sense Luffy's dormant haki in Impel Down, then it might be possible to sense dormant CoC as well.

That’s why I’m a little confused by the side panel that implies Gaban said something important to Sanji

People keep saying he said X, Y, or Z and none of them make sense narratively

“You’re stifling your spear of grit” as a callback would be cool but makes no sense since Gaban’s known Sanji for 5 minutes

“Your Germa genes are another way to counter them” How would he know that? There’s no guarantee that he knows Sanji’s name and even if he does how would he know that the exoskeleton has a unique reaction to Imu’s gifted immortality?

“Your flames can counter their regeneration” Again, no way for him to know he even uses fire. Not to mention it’s been all but confirmed that his flames are separate from Germa entirely so he’d have no way of knowing about its existence

Now Oda foregoes logic sometimes so it could still be any one of these but I can’t say it would be satisfying for Sanji’s character

He could have said something like "I sense doubt and fear in you, you're afraid of yourself and holding back" or something like that. Something allowing Sanji to just put the pieces together and realize what it really means, it doesn't have to be something too specific that Gaban knows about. It can be rather basic and cryptic, as long as Sanji can fill in the blanks himself.

In any case, it should be obvious to anyone (which it apparently isn't ) it's not just Gaban telling him he doesn't have it, as it wouldn't justify Sanji appearing shocked.

 

[Julius]

Brother, he immediately suffered an injury as soon as Vergo came at him more seriously.

Context matters, im not overwanking Sanji, im just making sense and trying understand Oda's intentions.

Oda didn’t made clear as water to everyone that Sanji's leg was hurt because they clashed their CoA and Sanji lost, did he? We can't even see Vergo's leg in black like we see once when he kicks Law (even if we see the Haki clash sparks when they are trading kicks), in reality that might even have been a clash without Haki where Sanji lost to Vergo's tekkai.

Which still doesn't change that Vergo got hit twice, blown away twice and never landed a hit on Sanji except the one Sanji just placed his leg to block.

1 Flanchet Strike had Vergo sleeping inside a wall for a few seconds, the next time Sanji used this move was post Exoskeleton boost and almost at the end of the fight against Queen who was already pretty injured, and he used it again in the final Ifrit Jambe combo. Thats like one of the weakest DJ kicks he could throw and already did all that to Vergo and im supposed to think Vergo's CoA somehow clapped Sanji's ass when all blud got was a lil bit of pain that wasn't even relevant for the rest of the arc?


And Vergo's Full Body CoA is silly as hell, a waste of stamina. And btw Oda's consistency is so great sometimes... "Fullbody" CoA Vergo doesn't show his legs in black, but then against Law once we see his leg black with CoA through a kick.. So "fullbody" has no Haki on his legs only on the torso? Which brings up the question if he indeed used Haki when he cracked Sanji's leg and even if Sanji himself used Haki as well since we can only tell that for sure when he is using Diable Jambe since the flames would burn him without CoA

Thats what i try to understand, its not that simple, i really wished it was but yeah its Oda sometimes.... Saying Sanji just lost to Vergo's CoA, and worse, by going beyond that to say he would've lost the fight against Fullbody CoA Vergo when blud couldn’t even land a hit on Sanji but got hit twice is nothing more than our casual Ztard Sanji downplay we had to hear for yeeeears

(not even from just Ztards but from everyone who felt insecure about Sanji being the only one who wasn't allowed to struggle a little bit even against the main enemies of arcs without then being put on Franky's level or below because he didn't had enough "edgy scenes", no 100mi Supernova bounty or got to show off a fucking black painting on his leg that, someway, somehow, for some unknown reason no one could answer at the time, would make him 10x stronger despite him being a confirmed CoA user. You can understand me, right bro? You have been on our skins as a Sanji fan and just reading some things u said already gives me flashbacks of the worst Sanji takes i've ever had the displeasure of reading everyday i logged into this forum
)

 

[Doggo]

What is this revisionism?
Despite this sanji revival, never, NEVER forget that Sanji post-TS was big garbage until the whole Wings thing.
Queen was his only major 1v1 this entire time.
Dont pretend like things were great back then.
We didnt endure hell just to put some Rose colored nostalgia glasses and sugarcoat his clash against Vergo.
He wasnt winning.

 

[Royal Kick]

Mate, do you ever approve people's posts or your mod status is just for show? Always had to wait for Natalja to be online when I posted my first messages with my first account and again, none of my posts get approved if she's not here.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Mate, do you ever approve people's posts or your mod status is just for show? Always had to wait for Natalja to be online when I posted my first messages with my first account and again, none of my posts get approved if she's not here.

Most mods are lazy
What was your first account name?

 

[Doggo]

Mate, do you ever approve people's posts or your mod status is just for show? Always had to wait for Natalja to be online when I posted my first messages with my first account and again, none of my posts get approved if she's not here.

@RayanOO smh

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

Doesn't need to be the exact same thing Zeff said tho, but its just possibility, Gaban is an experienced man.. personally i think Gaban just denied Sanji having CoC at that moment. Whatever Gaban told him is certainly going to be brought back this arc anyways

I'm pretty sure Gaban just told sanji something about conquers haki like if you believe you have it, it will awaken in due time.

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Stop the cap.
Sanji suffered from Vergo's CoA, he had trouble actually damaging Queen. His pre awakening wasn't doing near enough dmg.
Sanji always had good AP, but he was lagging behind here and there by people with either stronger defense, or better CoA.
He needed something to compensate.
Hence, exoskeleton.

Sanji was nerfed against Vergo

 

[RayanOO]

@RayanOO smh

Only @Natalija is working in this damn team lmao
We are all slackers
This is WG 😈😈

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This is Max posting, made another account to change my username for something more impersonal.

Next time ask us

you can change username once without any problem and without creating an other account

And admin can do it for you

 

[Doggo]

Context matters, im not overwanking Sanji, im just making sense and trying understand Oda's intentions.

Oda didn’t made clear as water to everyone that Sanji's leg was hurt because they clashed their CoA and Sanji lost, did he? We can't even see Vergo's leg in black like we see once when he kicks Law (even if we see the Haki clash sparks when they are trading kicks), in reality that might even have been a clash without Haki where Sanji lost to Vergo's tekkai.

Which still doesn't change that Vergo got hit twice, blown away twice and never landed a hit on Sanji except the one Sanji just placed his leg to block.

1 Flanchet Strike had Vergo sleeping inside a wall for a few seconds, the next time Sanji used this move was post Exoskeleton boost and almost at the end of the fight against Queen who was already pretty injured, and he used it again in the final Ifrit Jambe combo. Thats like one of the weakest DJ kicks he could throw and already did all that to Vergo and im supposed to think Vergo's CoA somehow clapped Sanji's ass when all blud got was a lil bit of pain that wasn't even relevant for the rest of the arc?


And Vergo's Full Body CoA is silly as hell, a waste of stamina. And btw Oda's consistency is so great sometimes... "Fullbody" CoA Vergo doesn't show his legs in black, but then against Law once we see his leg black with CoA through a kick.. So "fullbody" has no Haki on his legs only on the torso? Which brings up the question if he indeed used Haki when he cracked Sanji's leg and even if Sanji himself used Haki as well since we can only tell that for sure when he is using Diable Jambe since the flames would burn him without CoA

Thats what i try to understand, its not that simple, i really wished it was but yeah its Oda sometimes.... Saying Sanji just lost to Vergo's CoA, and worse, by going beyond that to say he would've lost the fight against Fullbody CoA Vergo when blud couldn’t even land a hit on Sanji but got hit twice is nothing more than our casual Ztard Sanji downplay we had to hear for yeeeears

(not even from just Ztards but from everyone who felt insecure about Sanji being the only one who wasn't allowed to struggle a little bit even against the main enemies of arcs without then being put on Franky's level or below because he didn't had enough "edgy scenes", no 100mi Supernova bounty or got to show off a fucking black painting on his leg that, someway, somehow, for some unknown reason no one could answer at the time, would make him 10x stronger despite him being a confirmed CoA user. You can understand me, right bro? You have been on our skins as a Sanji fan and just reading some things u said already gives me flashbacks of the worst Sanji takes i've ever had the displeasure of reading everyday i logged into this forum
)

We learned during Jimbo vs Whoswho that Tekkai is just CoA.

(which makes it EXTREMELY funny that Sanji defeated a CoA master using DJ's internal destruction property pre-TS, kek).


Even during the aftermath, sanji's leg is still hurting and he even thinks to himself that things could have gone bad if they kept fighting.
This isn't Sanji slander. Again, Vergo was stated as a CoA monster. He even trashed Smoker as well.

 

[Royal Kick]

Most mods are lazy
What was your first account name?

Max. As I said in the post above, I had the previous account deleted because I wanted a more impersonal username reflecting my favorite character.

 

[Raiden7]

That’s why I’m a little confused by the side panel that implies Gaban said something important to Sanji

People keep saying he said X, Y, or Z and none of them make sense narratively

“You’re stifling your spear of grit” as a callback would be cool but makes no sense since Gaban’s known Sanji for 5 minutes

“Your Germa genes are another way to counter them” How would he know that? There’s no guarantee that he knows Sanji’s name and even if he does how would he know that the exoskeleton has a unique reaction to Imu’s gifted immortality?

“Your flames can counter their regeneration” Again, no way for him to know he even uses fire. Not to mention it’s been all but confirmed that his flames are separate from Germa entirely so he’d have no way of knowing about its existence

Now Oda foregoes logic sometimes so it could still be any one of these but I can’t say it would be satisfying for Sanji’s character

I think that Gyaban said he can't sense it (of course, no one can if you're not purposely showing it or like Zoro in some cases, unpurposely showing it).

Maybe Gyaban, seeing that Sanji is sure to have it, probably told him some ways to force it and awaken it faster. Maybe some method to force out your king's haki.