Anime & Manga Titty Kubo Has Defeated Lee (Remembering the Fallen)
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Starrk didn't create anything. Starrk and Lilynette are the byproducts of the original Vasto Lorde splitting its soul in two so it wouldn't have to be lonely. If anything, Lilnyette seems to be closer to the original
So I say it again; get help
So I say it again; get help
TAC is a Starrk stan. Anybody that stans Starrk is immediately suspicious.
Starrk didn't create anything. Starrk and Lilynette are the byproducts of the original Vasto Lorde splitting its soul in two so it wouldn't have to be lonely. If anything, Lilnyette seems to be closer to the original
So I say it again; get help
So I say it again; get help
There was never anything sexual about their relationship and trying to act otherwise is just weird imo.
Kubo finished the Soul Society Arc, sat down, thought about what to do next and decided "Hey, the readers liked my last arc, right? Well they will surely love it if I just do the same arc again but make it twice as long!"
You know, for all that the TYBW arc gets rightfully dunked on, it was actually the Arrancar Arc that nearly made me drop Bleach. Everything from Aizen's ascension onwards was just so utterly painful to read that it almost made me give up.
Well my fellow manga connoisseurs, I have finished Chapter 423 and thus I have also finished the second arc of Bleach, also known as the Arrancar Arc.
Mother of manga what an absolute mess.
Before we even get into the meat of this manga, I want to say that I originally calculated this arc to be around 240 Chapters long but then I remembered that I actually forgot to take into account that Chapter 315 is split like this.
Each of those .5/6/7/8 Chapters has multiple Chapters within it, so conservatively, we are looking at a single arc that is about 250-260 Chapters long.
That is some rather insane pacing.
“Ah but Owl, you feathery fecker, perhaps Titty Kubo could not skip anything and had to make the arc as long as it was?” some sassenach could potentially say.
Well I say that that is some nonsense talking considering that 1/2 of the Arrancar Arc’s plot is just a back to back, copy and paste, exact replica repeat of the Soul Society Arc’s plot format.
Shall we look at some examples?
It is very difficult to enjoy anything within an arc, when half of it is just the same shit on repeat that one has literally just read and the other half is just a loose collection of fights of varying quality ranging from “nice” to “meh” to “oh feck off Kubo”.
This, this is only about 1/3 of the major problems I had with this arc but more on that later. This is enough for a single post. Lel.
Mother of manga what an absolute mess.
Before we even get into the meat of this manga, I want to say that I originally calculated this arc to be around 240 Chapters long but then I remembered that I actually forgot to take into account that Chapter 315 is split like this.
That is some rather insane pacing.
“Ah but Owl, you feathery fecker, perhaps Titty Kubo could not skip anything and had to make the arc as long as it was?” some sassenach could potentially say.
Well I say that that is some nonsense talking considering that 1/2 of the Arrancar Arc’s plot is just a back to back, copy and paste, exact replica repeat of the Soul Society Arc’s plot format.
Shall we look at some examples?
To clarify, everything left of the / is from the Soul Society Arc and everything right of the / is from the Arrancar Arc.
Now let us get started. :smithnie:
I) The plot of the Arc begins when two mean arse sassenachs in Byakuya and Renji/Ulquiorra and Yammy (the latter two’s first appearance in the story smacks hard of Vegeta and Nappa’s landing on Earth) start to feck shite up.
II) One of the sassenachs is a quiet, collected individual in Byakuya/Ulquiorra while the other is a boisterous loudmouth in Renji/Yammy.
III) Sassenach Renji/Yammy starts going after Ichigo’s friends while Byakuya/Ulquiorra sits in the background. Ichigo’s friends in Rukia and Uryu/Chad, Orihime and Tatsuki fail miserably to protect themselves.
IV) Ichigo saves his useless friends in Rukia and Uryu/Chad, Orihime and Tatsuki at the last second.
V) Ichigo fights loudmouth sassenach Renji/Yammy and surprises them before getting his shit kicked.
VI) Serious sassenach Byakuya/Ulquiorra promptly informs Ichigo of how pathetic he is before they leave, making Ichigo feel inadequate because words hurt.
VII) Urahara saves Ichigo’s tenderised bacon before he can die. Admittedly the timing is different but it is still Urahara saving Ichigo from the exact same situation.
VIII) Ichigo’s lady friend in Rukia/Orihime is captured by mister serious in Byakuya/Ulquiorra.
IX) Training montage. Ichigo admittedly goes somewhere different but his friends train with Mr Urahara in both arcs.
X) The eternally useful Urahara knows exactly how to open the Stargate or whatever to the Soul Society/Hueco Mundo.
XI) Ichigo’s friends come to assist Ichigo in his would be suicide mission against the Soul Society/Hueco Mundo.
XII) Ichigo arrives in a boring arse world and must travel to the white walled fancy palace of Seireitei/Las Noches (which I keep thinking of in my head as Lost Nachos).
XIII) Three locals in Kukaku, Ganju and Yamada/Nel, Pesche and Dondochakko assist Ichigo and co. They help them get to the whitewashed palace of Seireitei/Las Nochas.
XIV) One of the locals in Yamada/Nel has healing abilities. How conveniently useful.
XV) A character assisting Ichigo in Yoruichi/Nel transforms into a waifu bait warrior.
XVI) An antagonist in Kenpachi/Grimmjow goes out to seek Ichigo just so they can fight him.
XVII) An antagonist in Kenpachi/Grimmjow captures Orihime, goes looking for Ichigo and ends up giving him assistance.
XVIII) The first notable minor antagonist that Ichigo fights in Ikkaku/Dordoni, goes on to give Ichigo some immediate minor assistance to Ichigo after he heals them.
XIX) Uryu Ishida fights an insane, sadistic scientist in Kurotsuchi/Szayelaporro (feck this guy’s name).
XX) Insane, sadistic scientist character in Kurotsuchi/Szayelaporro prevents their demise by Uryū’s hand through fictional science.
XXI) Insane, sadistic scientist character in Kurotsuchi/Szayelaporro has complete and utter disregard for their subordinates.
XXII) Chad flexes on weak fools using his muscular arm gains until he meets a big name character in Shunsui/Nnoitra, gets completely cobbled and does nothing of significance for the rest of the arc.
XXIII) Uryū’s first fight involves humiliating an opponent by destroying their sankatsu chain or whatever it is called (he basically chops off their spiritual nads and makes them spiritually impotent for life. Uryū is a dick.).
XXIV) Ichigo fights a battle obsessed sassenach in Kenpachi/Grimmjow (as well as Nnoitra I suppose).
XXV) Orihime helps out members of the enemy faction in Maki Maki/Loly cause she is kind.
XXVI) Ichigo has a second encounter with Mr. Serious Byakuya/Ulquiorra who says “Yeah you improved mate but you still ain’t worth shit”.
XXVII) Ichigo has his third and final showdown with straight faced sassenach Byakuya/Ulquiorra and wins against Mr. Serious due to his Hollow side taking over and causing him to temporarily go berserk.
XXVIII) Ichigo wins every single one of his fights due to power ups.
XXIV) Ichigo gets power ups through fighting some inner spiritual manifestations of his powers (he fights against Zangetsu and Hollow Ichigo both times).
XXV) A character in Uryū/Ichigo uses a “final” attack that if used causes them to lose all their spiritual powers but the character gets all their powers back anyway by the next arc.
XXVI) Hinamori gets screwed over by Aizen in both arcs.
XXVII) Orihime bitches about how useless she is. In both arcs and just in general.
Now let us get started. :smithnie:
I) The plot of the Arc begins when two mean arse sassenachs in Byakuya and Renji/Ulquiorra and Yammy (the latter two’s first appearance in the story smacks hard of Vegeta and Nappa’s landing on Earth) start to feck shite up.
II) One of the sassenachs is a quiet, collected individual in Byakuya/Ulquiorra while the other is a boisterous loudmouth in Renji/Yammy.
III) Sassenach Renji/Yammy starts going after Ichigo’s friends while Byakuya/Ulquiorra sits in the background. Ichigo’s friends in Rukia and Uryu/Chad, Orihime and Tatsuki fail miserably to protect themselves.
IV) Ichigo saves his useless friends in Rukia and Uryu/Chad, Orihime and Tatsuki at the last second.
V) Ichigo fights loudmouth sassenach Renji/Yammy and surprises them before getting his shit kicked.
VI) Serious sassenach Byakuya/Ulquiorra promptly informs Ichigo of how pathetic he is before they leave, making Ichigo feel inadequate because words hurt.
VII) Urahara saves Ichigo’s tenderised bacon before he can die. Admittedly the timing is different but it is still Urahara saving Ichigo from the exact same situation.
VIII) Ichigo’s lady friend in Rukia/Orihime is captured by mister serious in Byakuya/Ulquiorra.
IX) Training montage. Ichigo admittedly goes somewhere different but his friends train with Mr Urahara in both arcs.
X) The eternally useful Urahara knows exactly how to open the Stargate or whatever to the Soul Society/Hueco Mundo.
XI) Ichigo’s friends come to assist Ichigo in his would be suicide mission against the Soul Society/Hueco Mundo.
XII) Ichigo arrives in a boring arse world and must travel to the white walled fancy palace of Seireitei/Las Noches (which I keep thinking of in my head as Lost Nachos).
XIII) Three locals in Kukaku, Ganju and Yamada/Nel, Pesche and Dondochakko assist Ichigo and co. They help them get to the whitewashed palace of Seireitei/Las Nochas.
XIV) One of the locals in Yamada/Nel has healing abilities. How conveniently useful.
XV) A character assisting Ichigo in Yoruichi/Nel transforms into a waifu bait warrior.
XVI) An antagonist in Kenpachi/Grimmjow goes out to seek Ichigo just so they can fight him.
XVII) An antagonist in Kenpachi/Grimmjow captures Orihime, goes looking for Ichigo and ends up giving him assistance.
XVIII) The first notable minor antagonist that Ichigo fights in Ikkaku/Dordoni, goes on to give Ichigo some immediate minor assistance to Ichigo after he heals them.
XIX) Uryu Ishida fights an insane, sadistic scientist in Kurotsuchi/Szayelaporro (feck this guy’s name).
XX) Insane, sadistic scientist character in Kurotsuchi/Szayelaporro prevents their demise by Uryū’s hand through fictional science.
XXI) Insane, sadistic scientist character in Kurotsuchi/Szayelaporro has complete and utter disregard for their subordinates.
XXII) Chad flexes on weak fools using his muscular arm gains until he meets a big name character in Shunsui/Nnoitra, gets completely cobbled and does nothing of significance for the rest of the arc.
XXIII) Uryū’s first fight involves humiliating an opponent by destroying their sankatsu chain or whatever it is called (he basically chops off their spiritual nads and makes them spiritually impotent for life. Uryū is a dick.).
XXIV) Ichigo fights a battle obsessed sassenach in Kenpachi/Grimmjow (as well as Nnoitra I suppose).
XXV) Orihime helps out members of the enemy faction in Maki Maki/Loly cause she is kind.
XXVI) Ichigo has a second encounter with Mr. Serious Byakuya/Ulquiorra who says “Yeah you improved mate but you still ain’t worth shit”.
XXVII) Ichigo has his third and final showdown with straight faced sassenach Byakuya/Ulquiorra and wins against Mr. Serious due to his Hollow side taking over and causing him to temporarily go berserk.
XXVIII) Ichigo wins every single one of his fights due to power ups.
XXIV) Ichigo gets power ups through fighting some inner spiritual manifestations of his powers (he fights against Zangetsu and Hollow Ichigo both times).
XXV) A character in Uryū/Ichigo uses a “final” attack that if used causes them to lose all their spiritual powers but the character gets all their powers back anyway by the next arc.
XXVI) Hinamori gets screwed over by Aizen in both arcs.
XXVII) Orihime bitches about how useless she is. In both arcs and just in general.
It is very difficult to enjoy anything within an arc, when half of it is just the same shit on repeat that one has literally just read and the other half is just a loose collection of fights of varying quality ranging from “nice” to “meh” to “oh feck off Kubo”.
This, this is only about 1/3 of the major problems I had with this arc but more on that later. This is enough for a single post. Lel.
Soul Society: Ichigo gains power through his pet demon and wins his fight against emo Shinigami by going berserk. Successfully rescues lady friend, saves everyone and is unambiguously considered a hero.
Arrancar Arc: Ichigo gains power through his pet demon and wins his fight against emo Arrancar by going berserk. Successfully rescues lady friend, saves everyone and is unambiguously considered a hero.
These two arcs aren't mirrors of each other. Kubo is simply lazy and repackaged the same arc twice. He just added more fights, a tedious flashback and twice as many chapters to the latter arc.
Arrancar Arc: Ichigo gains power through his pet demon and wins his fight against emo Arrancar by going berserk. Successfully rescues lady friend, saves everyone and is unambiguously considered a hero.
These two arcs aren't mirrors of each other. Kubo is simply lazy and repackaged the same arc twice. He just added more fights, a tedious flashback and twice as many chapters to the latter arc.
Starrk didn't create anything. Starrk and Lilynette are the byproducts of the original Vasto Lorde splitting its soul in two so it wouldn't have to be lonely. If anything, Lilnyette seems to be closer to the original
So I say it again; get help
So I say it again; get help
Soul Society: Ichigo gains power through his pet demon and wins his fight against emo Shinigami by going berserk. Successfully rescues lady friend, saves everyone and is unambiguously considered a hero.
Arrancar Arc: Ichigo gains power through his pet demon and wins his fight against emo Arrancar by going berserk. Successfully rescues lady friend, saves everyone and is unambiguously considered a hero.
These two arcs aren't mirrors of each other. Kubo is simply lazy and repackaged the same arc twice. He just added more fights, a tedious flashback and twice as many chapters to the latter arc.
Arrancar Arc: Ichigo gains power through his pet demon and wins his fight against emo Arrancar by going berserk. Successfully rescues lady friend, saves everyone and is unambiguously considered a hero.
These two arcs aren't mirrors of each other. Kubo is simply lazy and repackaged the same arc twice. He just added more fights, a tedious flashback and twice as many chapters to the latter arc.
I'm talking specifically about the Heuco Mundo section which closes off with Ulquiorra vs Ichigo. Not FKT or Deicide. Why are you here? Your clearly not a fan and all your trying to do is ruin someone's first reading experience.
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Go on. Inform me of where this supposed "deconstruction of a hero into becoming a monster" happens. 
Is it when Ichigo fights emo Bat Stoner at the end of their last duel in his Hollow Form? Exactly like he did in his last fight against Byakuya the Emo Reaper in the previous arc where he had his "hero's journey"?
Funny how the exact same thing happens in two back to back rescue arcs but it is supposed to be good writing because "muh mirrors".
There are no mirrors and there is no "deconstruction". Ichigo remains a hero regardless in both arcs, Ichigo's personality remains exactly the same, nobody really gives a shit about Hollow Form, Hollow Form is always a present danger in both arcs and there is no permanent consequences for any of this.
"Hero monster deconstruction" my arse.
Is it when Ichigo fights emo Bat Stoner at the end of their last duel in his Hollow Form? Exactly like he did in his last fight against Byakuya the Emo Reaper in the previous arc where he had his "hero's journey"?
Funny how the exact same thing happens in two back to back rescue arcs but it is supposed to be good writing because "muh mirrors".
There are no mirrors and there is no "deconstruction". Ichigo remains a hero regardless in both arcs, Ichigo's personality remains exactly the same, nobody really gives a shit about Hollow Form, Hollow Form is always a present danger in both arcs and there is no permanent consequences for any of this.
"Hero monster deconstruction" my arse.
Go on. Inform me of where this supposed "deconstruction of a hero into becoming a monster" happens.
Is it when Ichigo fights emo Bat Stoner at the end of their last duel in his Hollow Form? Exactly like he did in his last fight against Byakuya the Emo Reaper in the previous arc where he had his "hero's journey"?
Funny how the exact same thing happens in two back to back rescue arcs but it is supposed to be good writing because "muh mirrors".
There are no mirrors and there is no "deconstruction". Ichigo remains a hero regardless in both arcs, Ichigo's personality remains exactly the same, nobody really gives a shit about Hollow Form, Hollow Form is always a present danger in both arcs and there is no permanent consequences for any of this.
"Hero monster deconstruction" my arse.
Is it when Ichigo fights emo Bat Stoner at the end of their last duel in his Hollow Form? Exactly like he did in his last fight against Byakuya the Emo Reaper in the previous arc where he had his "hero's journey"?
Funny how the exact same thing happens in two back to back rescue arcs but it is supposed to be good writing because "muh mirrors".
There are no mirrors and there is no "deconstruction". Ichigo remains a hero regardless in both arcs, Ichigo's personality remains exactly the same, nobody really gives a shit about Hollow Form, Hollow Form is always a present danger in both arcs and there is no permanent consequences for any of this.
"Hero monster deconstruction" my arse.
Well one is him winning on his own terms and sticking to his beliefs whereas the other is him giving into his darkness and winning the fight by completely disregarding his own beliefs. Maybe I misinterpreted "heroes journey" that's on me then, but both fights are completely different in what they are trying to accomplish.
"There are no mirrors and there is no "deconstruction". Ichigo remains a hero regardless in both arcs, Ichigo's personality remains exactly the same, nobody really gives a shit about Hollow Form, Hollow Form is always a present danger in both arcs and there is no permanent consequences for any of this".
I do somewhat agree with this as it would have been better to have a lasting affect/ramifications for his character later on.
In one fight he sticks to his beliefs by going berserk. In the other fight, he disregards his beliefs by going berserk...
Wut?
I'm talking specifically about the Heuco Mundo section which closes off with Ulquiorra vs Ichigo. Not FKT or Deicide. Why are you here? Your clearly not a fan and all your trying to do is ruin someone's first reading experience.
Alright, I missed this since I was quoting it before I refreshed my page to see the edit. Lol.
To answer your question, I am here because @Fleet Admiral Lee Hung tagged me and we are online buddies that like reading each other's opinions on fiction. If it was somebody I didn't know, I probably wouldn't be hanging around here so much.
I doubt I can ruin his reading experience anymore than I already have done since he has read most of what I have posted on Worst Gen + Discord when I was reading the series for the first time. If I ruined his reading experience then I did it several months ago before he even contemplated picking this manga up.
I don't think anything of what I have said is anything more revealing than what I have already said in posts I have previously made (that Lee has read) or that isn't common knowledge amongst manga/anime watchers as a whole though if Lee wants me to go away from this thread for a while then I will happily do so and I'll apologise for being a salty bummer. Lol.
Besides, Bleach doesn't need my help to ruin the experience it provides. That manga can do it perfectly by itself without me.
Wut?
I'm talking specifically about the Heuco Mundo section which closes off with Ulquiorra vs Ichigo. Not FKT or Deicide. Why are you here? Your clearly not a fan and all your trying to do is ruin someone's first reading experience.
To answer your question, I am here because @Fleet Admiral Lee Hung tagged me and we are online buddies that like reading each other's opinions on fiction. If it was somebody I didn't know, I probably wouldn't be hanging around here so much.
I doubt I can ruin his reading experience anymore than I already have done since he has read most of what I have posted on Worst Gen + Discord when I was reading the series for the first time. If I ruined his reading experience then I did it several months ago before he even contemplated picking this manga up.
I don't think anything of what I have said is anything more revealing than what I have already said in posts I have previously made (that Lee has read) or that isn't common knowledge amongst manga/anime watchers as a whole though if Lee wants me to go away from this thread for a while then I will happily do so and I'll apologise for being a salty bummer. Lol.
Besides, Bleach doesn't need my help to ruin the experience it provides. That manga can do it perfectly by itself without me.