Character Discussion Trying to understand why people like Kuma

#22
Fisher Tiger, Hancock, Kaido, Big Mom and Shiki etc who escaped, established themselves as fearful figures and are respected by everyone for their strength.
MUH MIGHT IS RIGHT!!! Larp.

Kuma shouldn't be compared to non-characters (characters who are so lacking they basically don't even have a character at all) like Kaido or Shiki

Only thing I agree with is Kuma being too weak, Oda should have remained his Paw abilities until the end and let him go all out
 
#25
I'm getting tad annoyed at how he's getting hyped for his backstory reveal in the anime, I don't understand why he's liked. His mountain of patience, tolerance and constant bending down to WG/CD since he was a kid until the very end really piss me off.

He has a slave mentality with a defeatist attitude and is the polar opposite of Fisher Tiger, Hancock, Kaido, Big Mom and Shiki etc who escaped, established themselves as fearful figures and are respected by everyone for their strength. They didn't go back to WG and would rather risk war than negotiate with them. The same can be said for most pirates.

So, why is he popular in the community?
People called me out when I said Kuma is an uncle tom character.
What's a kid supposed to do against a concentration camp? You act like you can just disobey people when your life is at stake. Like he can just as a kid of single digit age talk anyhow he wants to people who can kill him and his family at any time. Like Kids can just be easily brave when it's naturally instinctive for kids to be fearful and dependent on others.
Unless you're suicidal or you have no concept of self preservation, that's a problem.

Bending down to the WG? He defeated his own country's king simply to save the people. Not sure how that makes him the opposite of Fisher Tiger or Hancock. He was fighting against the WG and went as far as even joining the Revolutionary army, the WG's worst enemy.

The only reason he left the Revolutionary Army and started to obey the WG was to save his only child. What father who is a good one... wouldn't put their life down for the one and only kid they love?

Kuma wasn't patient or tolerant of the WG, he just knew he had to do what they said in order to save Bonney. He refused to see her to make sure she got treated and didn't die at the age of 10 even though she meant the whole world to him.

To compare Kuma to people like Big Mom or Kaido shows you have no understanding of character. Kuma does things for the people he cares for which means he has to sacrifice.
Big Mom or Kaido don't have people they care for, so they don't need to sacrifice, therefore they can do anything that they want to do. They can go to war knowing full well people besides them will die, and that's fine with them because they're psychopaths.

To also compare Hancock along side BIg Mom or Kaido? You don't understand character. Hancock was raped by the WG. The reason she does what she does is to protect the people of Amazon Lily, so they don't get raped or go through what they went through as kids. She's no different to Kuma.

He's popular with the community because most people in the community have something called empathy (ability to put one's self in another person's situation and understand their feelings) and sympathy because they know and understand he was suffering, and you seem to lack both.
Can only conclude you didn't read Kuma's story at all, or you did and lack empathy & sympathy.

Your question makes me think if you were a family man, husband with a wife, had kids and the WG kidnapped them saying if you don't obey, they'll kill your wife and kids... since you don't understand Kuma, your choice would be to disregard the wellbeing of your family and go to war with the WG like Kaido and Big Mom would do.

To take away from reading Kuma as having a slave mentality... is wild because he didn't have one, Kuma is what any human being would ideal to become if they had the balls to do so, to be able to sacrifice yourself to people you love regardless of the consequence. He had one of the greatest mentalities in the series, and that's one of pure love - put those you love above yourself.
What's so ironic is that you bring up Fisher Tiger who actually wished he could become like Kuma, but he wasn't strong enough to do so and chose to die as someone full of hate which he resented himself for.
People have issues with how Kuma is written BY ODA,not how a real child might act in his place
He's just a true follower of Dragon,
They do nothing

It took Sabo for Revo army to start acting like a true revolutionary army
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#29
Because Kuma is a big badass

many insane moments in the manga included Kuma or were directly made by Kuma

- nothing happened moment
- crew separation
- sunny protection

the whole Kuma spy / sacrificing himself was good too

and his powers and design are badass
Also his birthday is one day before mine on the 7th and is a Aquarius badass Christian priest
 
#31
I'm getting tad annoyed at how he's getting hyped for his backstory reveal in the anime, I don't understand why he's liked. His mountain of patience, tolerance and constant bending down to WG/CD since he was a kid until the very end really piss me off.

He has a slave mentality with a defeatist attitude and is the polar opposite of Fisher Tiger, Hancock, Kaido, Big Mom and Shiki etc who escaped, established themselves as fearful figures and are respected by everyone for their strength. They didn't go back to WG and would rather risk war than negotiate with them. The same can be said for most pirates.

So, why is he popular in the community?
hes a rubbish character, hes a one dimensional sob story character, his whole character is being a victim

Tragic characters can be interesting but no when their entire character is just that. there are of characters in naruto with tragic upbringings (sasuke, nagato, zabuza,itachi, gaara, zabuza, sasori) can go on and on. And all those character are 100x better written than Kuma. Because those characters have more to them than a tragic past. The tragic past develops them and those characters become known and appreciated by the fanbase for other traits. These characers are exciting, skilled, intimidating, badass, competent, ruthless and just entertaining, all while still being tragic.

Oda does not know how to create complex characters. Kumas character is just being sad, thats it. One piece fans just have low standards for characters
 
#32
I liked his introduction he was very intimidating, but when he became an ally to the straw hats I lost interest in him. I never really cared about how nice he was or all the favors Δ₯e did for the straw hats. The straw hats have too many enemies who become allies, it is a tired trope.

Then his flashback came which obviously was going to happen and my suspicious about him were correct.

He is a character Oda wants you to feel sorry for and now that everyone feels sorry for him he has been pushed to the background.
 
#34
I liked his introduction he was very intimidating, but when he became an ally to the straw hats I lost interest in him. I never really cared about how nice he was or all the favors Δ₯e did for the straw hats. The straw hats have too many enemies who become allies, it is a tired trope.

Then his flashback came which obviously was going to happen and my suspicious about him were correct.

He is a character Oda wants you to feel sorry for and now that everyone feels sorry for him he has been pushed to the background.
Kuma got ruined !!
 

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#37
Shush you. If his backstory was exactly the same, but it turned out he worshipped a God called Asura, you'd suck his Buccaneer balls.

It's ok to like a character related to Nika. It won't expose you as a Nika lover.
Yosaku and Johnny worship the Demon God called Asura. Do you see me sucking their balls? :ohreally:
Every character worshipping Nika becomes a retard, it is simply a fact.
And that is just the tip of the iceberg regarding Kuma's downfall through the flashback.
Pre-TS Kuma and post-TS Kuma are complete opposites, it is not the same character that was in my top 10 favorites.
 
#38
Yosaku and Johnny worship the Demon God called Asura. Do you see me sucking their balls? :ohreally:
Every character worshipping Nika becomes a retard, it is simply a fact.
And that is just the tip of the iceberg regarding Kuma's downfall through the flashback.
Pre-TS Kuma and post-TS Kuma are complete opposites, it is not the same character that was in my top 10 favorites.
Kuma is a robot. The only difference between preskip and post skip, is now you know his backstory and motives for what he did preskip. Dude was on the Straw Hats side preskip, and is still on thier side post skip. Lmfao.. "Complete opposites".... This guy.... :milaugh:
 
#39
Kuma is a robot. The only difference between preskip and post skip, is now you know his backstory and motives for what he did preskip. Dude was on the Straw Hats side preskip, and is still on thier side post skip. Lmfao.. "Complete opposites".... This guy.... :milaugh:
In the end even Akainu will find his way to nika:finally:
 
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