Questions & Mysteries Uranus destroyed Lulusia Kingdom

[Herrera95]

I guess no one yet talked about it but latest chapter confirmed that Imu possessed at least one ancient weapon and that could only be Uranus the missing one of course and what destroyed Lulusia Kingdom.

He had hold of it those 8000 years but only know someone like Vegapunk was able to replicate the soccer necessary to use it.

So for some reason Poseidon don't need the source to do what it does but Pluton would need it too.

I gotta say right now I'm not impressed by ancient weapoms or mother flames. Yeah Ancient Weapons are strong enough to vanish entire islands and raise the sea level but they need a source material it barely can be replicated. And so far it seems this source only fits for that purpose. I don't know maybe one mother flame could give energy to the whole world for one day? Or more than that? But I doubt how much focus those weapons will gave on the upcoming war. I bet it is just another time bomb for Oda to explore.

 

[vikas]

Why need AW when we have Nika...

 

[Salah WG]

What Destroyed Lulusia Kingdom is a Copy of Pluton
Just like Shirahoshi is Poseidon 2.0

Just because Mother Flame was Shot from above doesn't mean it's Uranus
No one ever said that a Battleship can only move on Sea
You think Enel have a Flying Battleship to Destroy Islands & Greatest Battleship of all time can't Fly?

Uranus is still not Revealed, and it's gonna have Sky-Based Powers such as Controlling Weather

 

[Herrera95]

What Destroyed Lulusia Kingdom is a Copy of Pluton
Just like Shirahoshi is Poseidon 2.0

Just because Mother Flame was Shot from above doesn't mean it's Uranus
No one ever said that a Battleship can only move on Sea
You think Enel have a Flying Battleship to Destroy Islands & Greatest Battleship of all time can't Fly?

Uranus is still not Revealed, and it's gonna have Sky-Based Powers such as Controlling Weather

Then why the hell they were after blueprints of Pluton and Spadsm got shocked when Frank destroyed them?

 

[Salah WG]

Then why the hell they were after blueprints of Pluton and Spadsm got shocked when Frank destroyed them?

It was Spandam who wanted them, not Gorosei
He convinced them to allow the Mission by saying that the Blueprints might fall in hands of Pirates
But in reality He was just planning to use the Weapon himself

If They really were Desperate to find it, They would have sent CP-0, and They would have Punished Spandam for Failing
Just like They punished Who's Who for losing Nika DF

Vegapunk was born Smart, meaning He was Destined from Birth to create a Weapon with same Power as Pluton
Just like Shirahoshi was Fated to become Poseidon 2.0

Crocodile specifically said that Pluton is Weapon capable of Destroying an Island with a Single Shot
That's exactly what happened to Lulusia Kingdom

 

[nik87]

Yes, I think they got their hands on Uranus.
However, they are incapable of using it.
They cant replicate the fuel it needs.

And I think all 3 need fuel.
Shirahoshi herself ain't an Ancient Weapon, she is just the fuel that orders Poseidon.
Pluton will likely also have some kind of fuel, likely a human like Poseidon has. Uranus can also be used by Awakened fire user, IMO.

 

[Herrera95]

It was Spandam who wanted them, not Gorosei
He convinced them to allow the Mission by saying that the Blueprints might fall in hands of Pirates
But in reality He was just planning to use the Weapon himself

If They really were Desperate to find it, They would have sent CP-0, and They would have Punished Spandam for Failing
Just like They punished Who's Who for losing Nika DF

Vegapunk was born Smart, meaning He was Destined from Birth to create a Weapon with same Power as Pluton
Just like Shirahoshi was Fated to become Poseidon 2.0

Crocodile specifically said that Pluton is Weapon capable of Destroying an Island with a Single Shot
That's exactly what happened to Lulusia Kingdom

Yeah they are desperate because of Vegapunk telling the world about Void Century, desperate to protect and maintain the creation of motherland and desperate because of Nika but they give 0 fuck about ancient weapon blueprints?

Vegapunk is not smart. Or intelligent. He has a DF that allows him to store how much knowledge he wants. An smart person would have know one of the satellites could and were betraying him. And would have an escape plan to not get killed. And would not have worked for a company with different ethics than his own. Vegapunk is a moron with knowledge. A wise dumb.

And stop saying Poseidon 2.0 that is cringe. All poseidon are the same. They can talk to Sea King nothing else.

 

[meho_meho]

yeah, I think it was clear since chapter 1114 that Imu used Uranus to destroy Lulusia
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I always thought that there are 3 princesses who can control ancient weapons, but I guess I was wrong after knowing that the only needed thing for Uranus to work is it's power source, so Uranus doesn't need a princess to order it, I think it's not that simple to predict Oda.

 

[Salah WG]

Yeah they are desperate because of Vegapunk telling the world about Void Century, desperate to protect and maintain the creation of motherland and desperate because of Nika but they give 0 fuck about ancient weapon blueprints?

Vegapunk is not smart. Or intelligent. He has a DF that allows him to store how much knowledge he wants. An smart person would have know one of the satellites could and were betraying him. And would have an escape plan to not get killed. And would not have worked for a company with different ethics than his own. Vegapunk is a moron with knowledge. A wise dumb.

And stop saying Poseidon 2.0 that is cringe. All poseidon are the same. They can talk to Sea King nothing else.

Vegapunk was born Smart, He stated it himself, meaning He can already solve things that only grown ups can when He was just a baby.
I'm not discussing his Character here, i just said that He was born Smart & He created Mother Flame capable of causing Destruction same as Original Pluton, both of these are Facts

The point is, Ancient Weapons can be Re-Created
Both Pluton & Poseidon proved this, it's just that Original Pluton still Exists

And you just proved what i said, Shirahoshi was called Poseidon just because She unlocked same Powers as all Poseidons, even though They are different Characters, so if WG's Weapon have the same Function as Pluton, that means it's just another Pluton from Modern Era, no need to call it Uranus

Uranus have different Powers, it's not revealed yet
People are just jumping to Conclusions
I literally said that what Destroyed Lulusia Kingdom was provided by Vegapunk before We even reached Egghead Island
I remember back then People were saying that it's just Imu's Power, just like Enel

I didn't say WG give 0 fucks about Ancient Weapons
You asked me about Pluton Blueprints, i told you it was Spandam who really wanted it & convinced them
It's not Gorosei who thought of it themselves
This is a Fact from Manga, interpret it however you want

 

[Paperchampion23]

Like a year late on this one actually lol

 

[Herrera95]

Vegapunk was born Smart, He stated it himself, meaning He can already solve things that only grown ups can when He was just a baby.
I'm not discussing his Character here, i just said that He was born Smart & He created Mother Flame capable of causing Destruction same as Original Pluton, both of these are Facts

The point is, Ancient Weapons can be Re-Created
Both Pluton & Poseidon proved this, it's just that Original Pluton still Exists

And you just proved what i said, Shirahoshi was called Poseidon just because She unlocked same Powers as all Poseidons, even though They are different Characters, so if WG's Weapon have the same Function as Pluton, that means it's just another Pluton from Modern Era, no need to call it Uranus

Uranus have different Powers, it's not revealed yet
People are just jumping to Conclusions
I literally said that what Destroyed Lulusia Kingdom was provided by Vegapunk before We even reached Egghead Island
I remember back then People were saying that it's just Imu's Power, just like Enel

I didn't say WG give 0 fucks about Ancient Weapons
You asked me about Pluton Blueprints, i told you it was Spandam who really wanted it & convinced them
It's not Gorosei who thought of it themselves
This is a Fact from Manga, interpret it however you want

Dumb people always claims themselves smart. And he did before his DF? Absolute nothing!


Poseidon can't be recreated. It is a once at the time thing. There can only be one Poseidon. Because if is a living weapon with special properties idk. Is not a machine like Pluton and possibly Uranus that can be recreated.

Yes WG can have another weapon that is not Pluton or Uranus and be equal to it. But it is clear from Vegapunk last chapter that he possess an ancient weapon. And the only one missing the location is Uranus.

Vegapunk just provied the source motherflames that is required for Ancient Weapons to function and so far only Ancient Weapons were told yo be needed that technology to function properly.

 

[Salah WG]

Dumb people always claims themselves smart. And he did before his DF? Absolute nothing!


Poseidon can't be recreated. It is a once at the time thing. There can only be one Poseidon. Because if is a living weapon with special properties idk. Is not a machine like Pluton and possibly Uranus that can be recreated.

Yes WG can have another weapon that is not Pluton or Uranus and be equal to it. But it is clear from Vegapunk last chapter that he possess an ancient weapon. And the only one missing the location is Uranus.

Vegapunk just provied the source motherflames that is required for Ancient Weapons to function and so far only Ancient Weapons were told yo be needed that technology to function properly.

If you believe Uranus & Pluton have Same Powers & both are Battleships & both require that Technology, then as you like.

If Sea Kings didn't Exist, would Shirahoshi be considered an Ancient Weapon?
Same thing for whatever WG used, if it needed something that didn't Exist until Vegapunk made it, then They didn't have an Ancient Weapon in first place

If Vegapunk can Create Mother Flame, He can also Create Battleship to Fire it, as simple as that.
Pluton is literally Named after God of Underworld, and the Holes it leaves are like Gates to The Underworld
Nothing about the Hole left by Lulusia Destruction screams Sky or Heaven, it's literally an Underworld Pit that can never be filled

Uranus Name fits a Weapon that sends you to to the Sky, not to the Underworld or Stomach of Sea Kings

 

[Herrera95]

If you believe Uranus & Pluton have Same Powers & both are Battleships & both require that Technology, then as you like.

If Sea Kings didn't Exist, would Shirahoshi be considered an Ancient Weapon?
Same thing for whatever WG used, if it needed something that didn't Exist until Vegapunk made it, then They didn't have an Ancient Weapon in first place

If Vegapunk can Create Mother Flame, He can also Create Battleship to Fire it, as simple as that.
Pluton is literally Named after God of Underworld, and the Holes it leaves are like Gates to The Underworld
Nothing about the Hole left by Lulusia Destruction screams Sky or Heaven, it's literally an Underworld Pit that can never be filled

Uranus Name fits a Weapon that sends you to to the Sky, not to the Underworld or Stomach of Sea Kings

All Ancient Weapons were told to be able to vanish islands. You are the one saying that is Pluton copy and not Uranus.

Shirahoshi would still be Ancient weapon without Sea Kings. But useless like the ancient weapons without motherflame. In her case she is the motherflame so it is the otherway around.

Anyone can create both motherflame and Ancient Weapons after learning such technology. Just because Vegapunk recreated motherflame doesn't mean he already recreated the Ancient Weapons. And since we are seeing all the effort to WG to hide infos of void century it is only logical to belive they asked Vegapunk for a source material not the fucking Weapon that would bring questions in why they need a weapon that erases islands.

 

[Salah WG]

All Ancient Weapons were told to be able to vanish islands. You are the one saying that is Pluton copy and not Uranus.

Sea Kings destroy Islands the way Pluton does?
Through a Single Attack that completely deletes the Island without a Trace & creates a Pit to the Underworld?

I'm saying that Weapon that Destroyed Lulusia Kingdom is Modern & not Ancient
It doesn't matter how They wanna call it
You're the ones assuming it's Ancient Uranus

 

[Borasey79]

Sea Kings destroy Islands the way Pluton does?
Through a Single Attack that completely deletes the Island without a Trace & creates a Pit to the Underworld?

I'm saying that Weapon that Destroyed Lulusia Kingdom is Modern & not Ancient
It doesn't matter how They wanna call it
You're the ones assuming it's Ancient Uranus

Is Oda lowkey setting up yet another "new gen will surpass old gen" theme, only this time with Ancient Weapons vs their modern recreations?

 

[Herrera95]

Sea Kings destroy Islands the way Pluton does?
Through a Single Attack that completely deletes the Island without a Trace & creates a Pit to the Underworld?

I'm saying that Weapon that Destroyed Lulusia Kingdom is Modern & not Ancient
It doesn't matter how They wanna call it
You're the ones assuming it's Ancient Uranus

We never saw Sea Kings doing it so we can't tell. Plus the ancient weapons is more advanced than modern ones. So how can you say such thing? We NEVER saw anything close to what attacked Lulusia. No MODERN weapon comes close to that. Only ancient weapon could.

 

[Salah WG]

Is Oda lowkey setting up yet another "new gen will surpass old gen" theme, only this time with Ancient Weapons vs their modern recreations?

Yes, He is definitely doing that, but there aren't only Three Ancient Weapons
There are Nine, it's just that only Three of them are Capable of Destroying The World, so They were singled out
Other Six are just considered Treasures

I believe that Nine Ancient Figures got their Hands on Nine Unique Powers (That are all based on Haki Techniques)
And these Powers are Inherited, meaning there are Nine Characters who were Born Special, Fated to Awaken those same Powers.
However they are Fated to Failure, hence why there are Nine Straw Hats to Surpass them

Unlocking a Blade Blade is for example One of those Nine Unique Powers, which represent Infinite Hardening
There once was the Original Man who Forged a Black Blade, and this Ability was passed down till it's now in hands of Mihawk
But Zoro will Surpass him

Look at Jinbe for example, doesn't He control Shark Whales? Something that Crocodile stated to be Impossible
No Fishman can do that with any Type of Fish, this means that Jinbe is like a Mini Version of Poseidon.
Just like Franky is a Mini-Version of Pluton, and you can guess which Straw Hat is supposed to be holding Mini-Uranus.
And rest of SHs are all Discount Versions of another Major Character & Role.

So we have:

Nine Ancient Powers wielded by Nine Ancient Characters inherited by Nine Modern Characters who were Born Special to wield those Powers and are meant to be Surpassed by Nine Straw Hats (Role Wise)

 

[Borasey79]

Yes, He is definitely doing that, but there aren't only Three Ancient Weapons
There are Nine, it's just that only Three of them are Capable of Destroying The World, so They were singled out
Other Six are just considered Treasures

I believe that Nine Ancient Figures got their Hands on Nine Unique Powers (That are all based on Haki Techniques)
And these Powers are Inherited, meaning there are Nine Characters who were Born Special, Fated to Awaken those same Powers.
However they are Fated to Failure, hence why there are Nine Straw Hats to Surpass them

Unlocking a Blade Blade is for example One of those Nine Unique Powers, which represent Infinite Hardening
There once was the Original Man who Forged a Black Blade, and this Ability was passed down till it's now in hands of Mihawk
But Zoro will Surpass him

Look at Jinbe for example, doesn't He control Shark Whales? Something that Crocodile stated to be Impossible
No Fishman can do that with any Type of Fish, this means that Jinbe is like a Mini Version of Poseidon.
Just like Franky is a Mini-Version of Pluton, and you can guess which Straw Hat is supposed to be holding Mini-Uranus.
And rest of SHs are all Discount Versions of another Major Character & Role.

So we have:

Nine Ancient Powers wielded by Nine Ancient Characters inherited by Nine Modern Characters who were Born Special to wield those Powers and are meant to be Surpassed by Nine Straw Hats (Role Wise)

Food for thought, my man

 

[Herrera95]

Yes, He is definitely doing that, but there aren't only Three Ancient Weapons
There are Nine, it's just that only Three of them are Capable of Destroying The World, so They were singled out
Other Six are just considered Treasures

I believe that Nine Ancient Figures got their Hands on Nine Unique Powers (That are all based on Haki Techniques)
And these Powers are Inherited, meaning there are Nine Characters who were Born Special, Fated to Awaken those same Powers.
However they are Fated to Failure, hence why there are Nine Straw Hats to Surpass them

Unlocking a Blade Blade is for example One of those Nine Unique Powers, which represent Infinite Hardening
There once was the Original Man who Forged a Black Blade, and this Ability was passed down till it's now in hands of Mihawk
But Zoro will Surpass him

Look at Jinbe for example, doesn't He control Shark Whales? Something that Crocodile stated to be Impossible
No Fishman can do that with any Type of Fish, this means that Jinbe is like a Mini Version of Poseidon.
Just like Franky is a Mini-Version of Pluton, and you can guess which Straw Hat is supposed to be holding Mini-Uranus.
And rest of SHs are all Discount Versions of another Major Character & Role.

So we have:

Nine Ancient Powers wielded by Nine Ancient Characters inherited by Nine Modern Characters who were Born Special to wield those Powers and are meant to be Surpassed by Nine Straw Hats (Role Wise)

Where did you got those 9 from?

 

[Salah WG]

Where did you got those 9 from?

I tried to understand how Haki works, i figured out what Three Types of Haki mean
Then i applied what i learned to discover Nine Advanced Techniques (Meaning each Type of Haki have Three Advanced Uses)
With Third Advanced Technique of each Type been Most Rare & cannot be achieved by Training alone

After that, i thought what if each Application of these Techniques was Infinite
And i noticed that it does work, and lead me to existence of Nine Unique Powers
In other words:

There is Something in One Piece that is Effected by Hardening Permanently
There is Something in One Piece that is Constantly using Future Sight Infinitely
There is Something in One Piece that is Permanently covered in Barrier Haki
There is Something in One Piece that is Permanently listening with Voice of All Things
There is Something in One Piece that unleashes Internal Destruction that never Fades
... etc

I discovered what these Nine Powers/Treasures are & i discovered that There is only One Owner to each in entire World.
And the ones Created from Third Adv. Technique of each Haki Type ended up being Ancient Weapons

In other words, Poseidon is Power Created from Infinite Voice of All Things which is believe is Observation Haki Level 3
And Pluton is Power Created from Infinite Internal Destruction which is Armament Haki Level 3
And Uranus is Power Created from Haoshoku Haki Level 3 which isn't Revealed yet

Then i noticed that those Nine Characters are actually related to Nine Straw Hats in more ways than one
As not only their Backstories are Related (Two Faces of Same Coin), but their Dreams are related as well & SHs represent a Mini-Version of them when it comes to those Unique Powers They wield

After that, when i added Straw Hats to the Pattern i noticed that They were Ranked in a Very Unique way, which revealed that their Origin & Backstories are actually Re-Creation of Ancient Figures who first Unlocked those Unique Powers

Then i noticed how each one of those Ancient Figures are actually related to a Specific Kingdom & this Pattern tbh keeps on giving, with each Discovery proving it's legitimacy

So Overall, Oda created a System of One (Haki) ---> Three (CoO - CoA - CoC) ---> Nine (Advanced Techniques)
That explains the entire World, Power System, Story & Lore

Nine Powers
Nine Treasures
Nine Roles
Nine Key Characters
Nine Ancient Legends
Nine Straw Hat Pirates
Nine Kingdoms
Nine Dreams
Nine Backstories
Nine Seas
... etc

And this Pattern can be applied to anything & everything in One Piece, it's like Blueprint of Oda's Work.
The Story is much bigger than People realize, the Fact that Luffy is accompanied by Nine People, means there are Nine Stories that are Connected, it's not like each SH is having their own Manga, this is a Single Story.

Pluton was mentioned in Arabasta Arc for example, We had an entire Saga of a Villain wanting this Weapon, and then again Water 7 Saga was also about seeking this Weapon, and Pre-TS Ended without a Second Weapon ever been mentioned, yet it was revealed that Pluton is actually One of Three around Chapter 650

Same thing for Ancient Kingdom, and then Hundreds of Chapters later, WB mentioned a Land of Gods that existed before Mary Geoise, meaning it Predates Void Century (Cuz Mary Geoise existed before WG was Formed)

And look how it was Confirmed that Joy Boy & Nika are not the same Characters, Nika is from Elbaf, Joy Boy is from Ancient Kingdom, something that i kept insisting on when Gear 5 was Revealed, but everyone thought it was Crazy thing to say

Oda is only revealing what the People of OPVerse think & believe, which is the Equivalent of only looking through a Keyhole, Fans need to stop focusing on what Little Information We are given & start to see the Bigger Picture