US Presidental Race : 2020

Who is taking the Democrat Nomination ?

  • Bernie Sanders

    Votes: 15 62.5%
  • Joe Biden

    Votes: 8 33.3%
  • Elizabeth Warren

    Votes: 1 4.2%
  • Pete Buttigeg

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Bloomberg (lol)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    24
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Looks like Biden's campaign took a big hit.
I know he was done before campaign began.

He would have got exposed for covering Hunter biden -Ukraine thing.
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Let's be honest: Trump will win this.

Having said that, I still think it's shocking that a then 74 year old and a 79 year old will most likely compete for president.
There is legit good chance trump has uperhand winning second time but we cannot underestimate bernie.

Unlike hillary trump got an opponent who is more or less similar to him.

Bernie has rural white voter, young people backing him. Also adding to fact he connects with people well.

Umtill presidental debate happens i wont count out trump as winner. I would say many bernie fans will come out in huge number to vote for sander unlike last time bernie bros didntvote for hillary.
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I see your point, and I acknowledge that it’s valid. Progressive ideologies always scare people because nothing is more terrifying than change; it’s why the Nazis and North Koreans didn’t or don’t rebel against the demagogues at the top, why mess up your own comfort just to make others feel better?

Unfortunately, that same mentality prevents us from moving forward as a society and evolving as a species. We are dumber, fatter, and angrier in this country than we may have ever been, and thanks to these little fucking screens that can show us anything we want to see right away, we’re not gonna pull ourselves up by the bootstraps and suddenly enjoy a renaissance of the human spirit. That’s why someone who rocks the boat like Bernie is equal parts appealing to people like me and appalling to people like you - he’s different, he’s saying things nobody else is saying, and he clearly doesn’t give a shit who doesn’t like it.

Moreover, older people are less willing to adapt new ways of thinking as their time on this planet comes to an end, so they vote to make sure things stay the same until they die. Once they do, the rest of us have to deal with the fallout. Because of choices made by our parents and grandparents, we might not even have a world to pass on to our own descendants...and nobody on the political spectrum, other than Sanders/Omar/AOC, is saying shit about it. Instead, we have a president who puts oil men in charge of the EPA, a bunch of senators that know they’ll just ride out whatever disasters climate change is sure to bring in some luxury underground bunker while the rest of us kill each other for potable water, and the corporations that have led us down this path of destruction run completely unchecked. We’re all going to die a lot sooner than planned thanks to the completely repugnant greed of a few oligarchs, and that just doesn’t sit well with me.
I legit dont understand why people fear socialism.

Norway, Denmark, Finland have good working model of mixed economy.

I think if govt cant provide decent healthcare to poor and middle class . Whats the point in appointing govt we can let jeff bezos rule then.

I am all for free healthcare , i know for a fact many people have gone bad debt due to increase insurance rates. If bernie does not win his flame will pass to someone because people are saying enough in enough.

If UK can have NHS system then why not in US ?
 
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I dont really think this matters as Trump is most likely gonna win. Really really hope its not Betnie.
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Of course Tulsi sounds good to you, she’s every bit the conservative you claim to be. Pete and Biden are also Republicans, since the political machine rewards mediocre white men for failing all the way upward like no other industry on this planet.

By the way, there may be some infighting between liberals in this cultural moment, but trust me...our shared goal is getting your golem out of office. At the end of the day, beating that orange pig will keep us together:sabogood:



Donnie was 70 when he was elected, and will live forever thanks to whatever deal he made with the Devil to keep that stupid fucking hairstyle. These people all have access to top-notch healthcare - again, money vs poverty - so they live longer and more fulfilling lives...gee, if only there was a candidate who realized that disparity and wanted to implement universal healthcare so we can all improve ourselves...where are we gonna find someone like THAT??
Bro Bernie is the worst candidate currently. He will totally destroy US's economy.
 
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I dont really think this matters as Trump is most likely gonna win. Really really hope its not Betnie.
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Bro Bernie is the worst candidate currently. He will totally destroy US's economy.
Medicare for All alone will save Americans a collective $600 billion, his plan to tax the wealthy at the same rate as normal people will generate TRILLIONS, and legalizing marijuana will reverse thousands of pointless convictions and spur the job market by increasing the workforce (just for good measure, his plan to combat climate change will also go a long way towards spurring the economy). Why are people so afraid of change that benefits everyone EXCEPT the opulent billionaires that won’t save them when push comes to shove?? You know Bloomberg and Donnie would just as soon watch you die than give you a tax break, right??
 
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I dont really think this matters as Trump is most likely gonna win. Really really hope its not Betnie.
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Bro Bernie is the worst candidate currently. He will totally destroy US's economy.
Albeit people thought same about trump. Bernie still needs moderate democrate and right wing in his party to rally around him.
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Medicare for All alone will save Americans a collective $600 billion, his plan to tax the wealthy at the same rate as normal people will generate TRILLIONS, and legalizing marijuana will reverse thousands of pointless convictions and spur the job market by increasing the workforce (just for good measure, his plan to combat climate change will also go a long way towards spurring the economy). Why are people so afraid of change that benefits everyone EXCEPT the opulent billionaires that won’t save them when push comes to shove?? You know Bloomberg and Donnie would just as soon watch you die than give you a tax break, right??
The only legit fear are pharma industry and the propped up senate who are sold out to these industries.

The fear is imaginery damn even russia has free medicare and the country is running okay under putin dont really understand why people dont deserve free medical treatment if a person suffer from cancer and they need cover up for medical bills.

The Gen x is far poorer than their parent. Owning a house is really difficult now and jobs are getting automated.
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Also just watched the polls South carolina polling shows biden has 8 percent lead over bernie.

So Biden is still alive in the race roflol.
 
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Albeit people thought same about trump. Bernie still needs moderate democrate and right wing in his party to rally around him.
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The only legit fear are pharma industry and the propped up senate who are sold out to these industries.

The fear is imaginery damn even russia has free medicare and the country is running okay under putin dont really understand why people dont deserve free medical treatment if a person suffer from cancer and they need cover up for medical bills.

The Gen x is far poorer than their parent. Owning a house is really difficult now and jobs are getting automated.
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Also i am South carolina polling showsbiden has 8 percent lead over bernie.

So Biden is still alive in tje race roflol.
I mean, I don’t even have to tell anyone here that the cost of living has raised astronomically over the last ten years while federal minimum wage is the same today as it was in 2010...the middle class is disappearing, and Bernie’s the only one who’s saying shit that implies he wants to bring it back. Closing the gap between you/me and anyone worth ten digits or more will only do this country good, largely at the expense of people who can afford to set their families up FOREVER while still improving life for the rest of us.
 
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I mean, I don’t even have to tell anyone here that the cost of living has raised astronomically over the last ten years while federal minimum wage is the same today as it was in 2010...the middle class is disappearing, and Bernie’s the only one who’s saying shit that implies he wants to bring it back. Closing the gap between you/me and anyone worth ten digits or more will only do this country good, largely at the expense of people who can afford to set their families up FOREVER while still improving life for the rest of us.
Middle class is already slowly disappearing this is already happening in UK thats why there were huge no of working class favored tight immigration . I am not sure what happens if this keeps up in 2030, def immigration is a very standing point right now adopting point based system can work since Canada does that.

What US need right now is tighten the border and adopt strong policies that help the working class minimum wage. The visa abuse must be stopped and hire more local in blue collar jobs .
 

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Middle class is already slowly disappearing this is already happening in UK thats why there were huge no of working class favored tight immigration . I am not sure what happens if this keeps up in 2030, def immigration is a very standing point right now adopting point based system can work since Canada does that.

What US need right now is tighten the border and adopt strong policies that help the working class minimum wage. The visa abuse must be stopped and hire more local in blue collar jobs .
I definitely agree with the second part, and I don’t think Donnie or any other Democratic candidate has a coherent plan on how to accomplish this. Hell, I even agree on border security, or at least a more reasonable path to legal citizenship...
 
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Medicare for All alone will save Americans a collective $600 billion, his plan to tax the wealthy at the same rate as normal people will generate TRILLIONS, and legalizing marijuana will reverse thousands of pointless convictions and spur the job market by increasing the workforce (just for good measure, his plan to combat climate change will also go a long way towards spurring the economy). Why are people so afraid of change that benefits everyone EXCEPT the opulent billionaires that won’t save them when push comes to shove?? You know Bloomberg and Donnie would just as soon watch you die than give you a tax break, right??
Lol how is taxing the rich going to help the economy ? You know what happens when you tax the rich ? Prices go up, unemployment rate and salary goes down.

What do you think, the rich won't buy another car ? No, they will just Invest less in their company, and the ones who will be in a bad place are the workers like most likely you and me. Legalizing Marijuana will happen, Bernie or not. And how will medicare save americans 600 million ?

Dont you know what's happening in Europe ? I live on Portugal and there is ABSOLUTELY NOBODY that dosnt shit on the hospitals. Hours of waiting, no resources in any hospital, you literally see people crying in pain and ive heard stories of people DYING on lines. Plus, its 'free". When you have something that can really kill you and its not cheap, you better hope some rich guy gives you money. Most people that have cancer in Portugal go to the US to have treatment, and they go not with state money but with donations from good people.

I dont agree with the current way of healthcare but that's for another post.
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I mean, I don’t even have to tell anyone here that the cost of living has raised astronomically over the last ten years while federal minimum wage is the same today as it was in 2010...the middle class is disappearing, and Bernie’s the only one who’s saying shit that implies he wants to bring it back. Closing the gap between you/me and anyone worth ten digits or more will only do this country good, largely at the expense of people who can afford to set their families up FOREVER while still improving life for the rest of us.
Do you know why ? Because of the increase in governemnt intervention. Bernie would make it 10x worse mcuh faster.

P.S : ECONOMY IS NOT A CAKE. IF A GUY TAKES 7, YOU LOSE 7. PRODUCTS AND RICHES ARE MADE. THUS, TAXING THE RICH WONT HELP THE POOR, AS BOTH NEED ONE ANOTHER AND BOTH GROW TOGETHER. THIS IS ECONOMICS 101.

RICH PEOPLE ONLY GET RICH DUE TO TWO REASONS : GOVERNEMNT HELP OR GIVING GOOD PRODUCTS AT A GOOD PRICE. THIS IS BENEFITIAL FOR ALL CLASSES OF AMERICA.

BERNIE'S TAX PLAN WILL COMPLETELY, AND UTTERLY DECIMATE THE USA IN THE LONG RUN

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And by the way i hate with compassion most of the politicians, but Bernie HAS BEEN consistent with his policies, he was defending this stuff before it was normal, unlike other democrats. Hes still a crazy guy.

Also, find it funny being him a socialist (even tho he doesnt seem to know what it even means) and his campaign is the one who has more money in it..
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I know he was done before campaign began.

He would have got exposed for covering Hunter biden -Ukraine thing.
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There is legit good chance trump has uperhand winning second time but we cannot underestimate bernie.

Unlike hillary trump got an opponent who is more or less similar to him.

Bernie has rural white voter, young people backing him. Also adding to fact he connects with people well.

Umtill presidental debate happens i wont count out trump as winner. I would say many bernie fans will come out in huge number to vote for sander unlike last time bernie bros didntvote for hillary.
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I legit dont understand why people fear socialism.

Norway, Denmark, Finland have good working model of mixed economy.

I think if govt cant provide decent healthcare to poor and middle class . Whats the point in appointing govt we can let jeff bezos rule then.

I am all for free healthcare , i know for a fact many people have gone bad debt due to increase insurance rates. If bernie does not win his flame will pass to someone because people are saying enough in enough.

If UK can have NHS system then why not in US ?
What ? You dont understand why people FEAR SOCIALISM ? Really? I dont even need to argue here

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes

Plus you can add 80% of dictatorships as they are ALL based on socialism pre Marx and INFLUENCED by Marx.
 
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Lol how is taxing the rich going to help the economy ? You know what happens when you tax the rich ? Prices go up, unemployment rate and salary goes down.

What do you think, the rich won't buy another car ? No, they will just Invest less in their company, and the ones who will be in a bad place are the workers like most likely you and me. Legalizing Marijuana will happen, Bernie or not. And how will medicare save americans 600 million ?

Dont you know what's happening in Europe ? I live on Portugal and there is ABSOLUTELY NOBODY that dosnt shit on the hospitals. Hours of waiting, no resources in any hospital, you literally see people crying in pain and ive heard stories of people DYING on lines. Plus, its 'free". When you have something that can really kill you and its not cheap, you better hope some rich guy gives you money. Most people that have cancer in Portugal go to the US to have treatment, and they go not with state money but with donations from good people.

I dont agree with the current way of healthcare but that's for another post.
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Do you know why ? Because of the increase in governemnt intervention.
Depend on how govt invest on healthcare. I dont think bernie will go full europeon model in his health care.

I d like public - private participation. The necessity like cancer medicines , treatments should be partly reimbursed so that there wont be a problem of debts.


Your first Quote its about taxing super rich the one with 1 percent. I do think levying more tax is fair because they already relieve in other schemes already. We are talking of making field level. The top 1 percent already monopolise the economy and buying out politician so this will norlt end even bernie cant do much since most lobbyist inn senate are sellouts.
 
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Depend on how govt invest on healthcare. I dont think bernie will go full europeon model in his health care.

I d like public - private participation. The necessity like cancer medicines , treatments should be partly reimbursed so that there wont be a problem of debts.


Your first Quote its about taxing super rich the one with 1 percent. I do think levying more tax is fair because they already relieve in other schemes already. We are talking of making field level. The top 1 percent already monopolise the economy and buying out politician so this will norlt end even bernie cant do much since most lobbyist inn senate are sellouts.
"Hitting the richest 180,000 American households, Saez and Zucman estimate the tax would raise $4.35 trillion over the next decade, which Sanders says would go toward paying for his biggest policies, including Medicare-for-all, affordable housing, and universal childcare." - Vox

This won't go well. It would raise 4.35 trillion but it would diminize, in the long run : production/salary / plus as i said : prices will go up and so will unemployment.
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Depend on how govt invest on healthcare. I dont think bernie will go full europeon model in his health care.

I d like public - private participation. The necessity like cancer medicines , treatments should be partly reimbursed so that there wont be a problem of debts.


Your first Quote its about taxing super rich the one with 1 percent. I do think levying more tax is fair because they already relieve in other schemes already. We are talking of making field level. The top 1 percent already monopolise the economy and buying out politician so this will norlt end even bernie cant do much since most lobbyist inn senate are sellouts.
Public and private participation doesnt work as it doesnt allow the private sector, which is pretty much better in all of the other sector, to compete for the really poor people like the supermarkets do.

Plus, just to add some philosophycal arguments as im pretty sure you believe contrary to me : Health is not a right. You need workforce + money to invest in building hospitals, etc, which obviously means slavery as it means YOU have the right to ANOTHER person's WORK. Now, food IS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN HEALTHCARE, and i dont think you think we would be better with a public food service : if you do, cuba says otherwise. The food they gave montlhy to the people, since it's Introduction, has reduced by more than the half (meaning the people receive less than half the food than they did before).

And this is also what's happening in Europe with public hospitals.
 
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"Hitting the richest 180,000 American households, Saez and Zucman estimate the tax would raise $4.35 trillion over the next decade, which Sanders says would go toward paying for his biggest policies, including Medicare-for-all, affordable housing, and universal childcare." - Vox

This won't go well. It would raise 4.35 trillion but it would diminize, in the long run : production/salary / plus as i said : prices will go up and so will unemployment.
Short term pain for long term gain. This is last chance a socialist has gained so much traction in US politics.

Eitherway it wont be entirely free trust me tje congress and senate will not make bernies dream come true if he ever becomes president.

I would say medicare for all will def tax upperclass society its upto people. Live with heavy tax and have decent health care or shell out bucks and live with premium interest rate from your health insurance company.

I d say health care in USis way better than in Europe. The standards is par above but with ever increasing cost and fall in income standards things are not perfect seriously debt is like living death sentence. It suffocates you daily you need to pay money or lose your asseylt or house at worst .

There islack of proper of stats NHS works decently if govt really makes it work the public healthcare will be success.
 
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Short term pain for long term gain. This is last chance a socialist has gained so much traction in US politics.

Eitherway it wont be entirely free trust me tje congress and senate will not make bernies dream come true if he ever becomes president.

I would say medicare for all will def tax upperclass society its upto people. Live with heavy tax and have decent health care or shell out bucks and live with premium interest rate from your health insurance company.

I d say health care in USis way better than in Europe. The standards is par above but with ever increasing cost and fall in income standards x.
It's exaclty the contrary. Short term gain for long term loss. The thrillions will end, and the people will suffer.

Btw i edited more stuff in my post
 
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It's exaclty the contrary. Short term gain for long term loss. The thrillions will end, and the people will suffer.

Btw i edited more stuff in my post
You should see NHS in UK . I am not sure how public health care runs in portugal though. It depends on quality of clinic i agree there are fallacy in free public treatment .

Well communism is not socialism. Bernie never advocated to control public enterprises or restricting private goods.China is good example of authortarian regime there is no fundemental right exist for people you either vote for that party or lose every scheme chinese govt provide.

If we are taking by standard of todays world i say Norway, Denmark , Germany are better example they have mixed economy not socialist regime.

What bernie wants is more public-private participation. Govt are appojnted by the people to help them to raise certain standard in society.

If you compare poverty standard and wage comparison with Norway , Denmark or iceland people are not living by decent standard as well.
 
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You should see NHS in UK . I am not sure how public health care runs in portugal though. It depends on quality of clinic i agree there are fallacy in free public treatment .

Well communism is not socialism. Bernie never afocated to control public enterprises or restricting public goods.

If we are taking by standard of todays world i say Norway, Denmark , Germany are better example they have mixed economy not socialist regime.

What bernie wants is more public-private participation. Govt are appojnted by the people to help them to raise certain standard in society.

If you compare poverty standard and wage comparison with Norway , Denmark or iceland people are not living by decent standard as well.
I know Bernie is not a socialist. That's why i said he doesnt even know what socialism means as a joke.

I could adress why the the nordic system will completely fail on the US, but i will adress how it IS failling the nordic countries lmao.

First, the nordic countries started by being free market countries and got really wealthy. Currently, even tho they are still somewhat free market countries, are beggining to slow down (principally Sweden) so .. its only a matter of time before the bill comes to pay
 
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I know Bernie is not a socialist. That's why i said he doesnt even know what socialism means as a joke.

I could adress why the the nordic system will completely fail on the US, but i will adress how it IS failling the nordic countries lmao.

First, the nordic countries started by being free market countries and got really wealthy. Currently, even tho they are still somewhat free market countries, are beggining to slow down (principally Sweden) so .. its only a matter of time before the bill comes to pay
Bernie would be right winger he was born in uk or france . Bernie advocates Gun rights and lot of things right wingers would love him in Europe.

I d like to hear about Nordic nation and why you think its doomed to fail?
 
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Looks like Biden's campaign took a big hit.
Biden has taken many hits in this campaign, dude is a walking meme at this point
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I know Bernie is not a socialist. That's why i said he doesnt even know what socialism means as a joke.

I could adress why the the nordic system will completely fail on the US, but i will adress how it IS failling the nordic countries lmao.

First, the nordic countries started by being free market countries and got really wealthy. Currently, even tho they are still somewhat free market countries, are beggining to slow down (principally Sweden) so .. its only a matter of time before the bill comes to pay
GDP growth last 25 years US


Same for Sweden, so wrong statement. Sweden particularly looks good GDP-wise.



Iceland has a similar growth rate

Admittedly Norway, Finland and Denmark are around 1% annually, but that´s a similar rate or even higher than most first world countries like France, Germany, Japan and so forth.

Not saying their concept will automatically work, there are too many factors to accurately predict that, but the claim it´s not working is not really accurate, especially by the criteria you put forth, namely growth.
 
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Its funny even obama has not said or blessed biden's campaign. He knew biden was loony old man . Other than south carolina win he is losing every where.

I kinda underrated Bloomberg seems like establishment really dont want bernie at all. They even allowed bloomberg to debate in later stages.

Clearly they lost hope on biden ,warren is a non serious candidate,buttigeg polls zero with African American communities.

This is perhaps one of the weakest candidate field after so many years.

Bernie should win super Tuesday without much effort.
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Biden has taken many hits in this campaign, dude is a walking meme at this point
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GDP growth last 25 years US


Same for Sweden, so wrong statement. Sweden particularly looks good GDP-wise.



Iceland has a similar growth rate

Admittedly Norway, Finland and Denmark are around 1% annually, but that´s a similar rate or even higher than most first world countries like France, Germany, Japan and so forth.

Not saying their concept will automatically work, there are too many factors to accurately predict that, but the claim it´s not working is not really accurate, especially by the criteria you put forth, namely growth.
I knew biden was unfit to run the office even before he campaigned.

His touching with woman , he had similar gaffe in previous president campaigns. Biden hardly learnt from his mistake.

With the Hunter biden corruption investigation , i seriously doubt dems will risk nominating him. They have been rallying behind buttigeg and bloomberg. Why do you think bloomberg made such late entry ?
 
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Its funny even obama has not said or blessed biden's campaign. He knew biden was loony old man . Other than south carolina win he is losing every where.

I kinda underrated Bloomberg seems like establishment really dont want bernie at all. They even allowed bloomberg to debate in later stages.

Clearly they lost hope on biden ,warren is a non serious candidate,buttigeg polls zero with African American communities.

This is perhaps one of the weakest candidate field after so many years.

Bernie should win super Tuesday without much effort.
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I knew biden was unfit to run the office even before he campaigned.

His touching with woman , he had similar gaffe in previous president campaigns. Biden hardly learnt from his mistake.

With the Hunter biden corruption investigation , i seriously doubt dems will risk nominating him. They have been rallying behind buttigeg and bloomberg. Why do you think bloomberg made such late entry ?
The panic is big that Bernie might go through, so they cant decide which candidate to put up against him.
Biden was the obvious choice in the beginning but he quickly became a lost cause, Harris was a favorite but Tulsi put that down quickly and now you basically have Klobuchar ( NY Times actually endorsed her and Warren for fucks sake) Warren and Pete, and it seems like Pete is the one.

Many people unfortunately are still too gullible and easily influenced, and Bloomberg bought a ton of ad air time, and exposure results in poll numbers.
Dude is completely self-financed.
 
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The panic is big that Bernie might go through, so they cant decide which candidate to put up against him.
Biden was the obvious choice in the beginning but he quickly became a lost cause, Harris was a favorite but Tulsi put that down quickly and now you basically have Klobuchar ( NY Times actually endorsed her and Warren for fucks sake) Warren and Pete, and it seems like Pete is the one.

Many people unfortunately are still too gullible and easily influenced, and Bloomberg bought a ton of ad air time, and exposure results in poll numbers.
Dude is completely self-financed.
This is sick kinda understand they want a centrist to fight trump. Man if you are going against peoples will , Democrat sure have problem. They are fearing the tag of ' socialist party 'by republican and trump.

Cant blame them they are running with weakest candidates in many years.
 
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