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I know he was done before campaign began.
He would have got exposed for covering Hunter biden -Ukraine thing.
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There is legit good chance trump has uperhand winning second time but we cannot underestimate bernie.
Unlike hillary trump got an opponent who is more or less similar to him.
Bernie has rural white voter, young people backing him. Also adding to fact he connects with people well.
Umtill presidental debate happens i wont count out trump as winner. I would say many bernie fans will come out in huge number to vote for sander unlike last time bernie bros didntvote for hillary.
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I legit dont understand why people fear socialism.
Norway, Denmark, Finland have good working model of mixed economy.
I think if govt cant provide decent healthcare to poor and middle class . Whats the point in appointing govt we can let jeff bezos rule then.
I am all for free healthcare , i know for a fact many people have gone bad debt due to increase insurance rates. If bernie does not win his flame will pass to someone because people are saying enough in enough.
If UK can have NHS system then why not in US ?
He would have got exposed for covering Hunter biden -Ukraine thing.
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There is legit good chance trump has uperhand winning second time but we cannot underestimate bernie.
Unlike hillary trump got an opponent who is more or less similar to him.
Bernie has rural white voter, young people backing him. Also adding to fact he connects with people well.
Umtill presidental debate happens i wont count out trump as winner. I would say many bernie fans will come out in huge number to vote for sander unlike last time bernie bros didntvote for hillary.
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I legit dont understand why people fear socialism.
Norway, Denmark, Finland have good working model of mixed economy.
I think if govt cant provide decent healthcare to poor and middle class . Whats the point in appointing govt we can let jeff bezos rule then.
I am all for free healthcare , i know for a fact many people have gone bad debt due to increase insurance rates. If bernie does not win his flame will pass to someone because people are saying enough in enough.
If UK can have NHS system then why not in US ?
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Medicare for All alone will save Americans a collective $600 billion, his plan to tax the wealthy at the same rate as normal people will generate TRILLIONS, and legalizing marijuana will reverse thousands of pointless convictions and spur the job market by increasing the workforce (just for good measure, his plan to combat climate change will also go a long way towards spurring the economy). Why are people so afraid of change that benefits everyone EXCEPT the opulent billionaires that won’t save them when push comes to shove?? You know Bloomberg and Donnie would just as soon watch you die than give you a tax break, right??
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Albeit people thought same about trump. Bernie still needs moderate democrate and right wing in his party to rally around him.
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The only legit fear are pharma industry and the propped up senate who are sold out to these industries.
The fear is imaginery damn even russia has free medicare and the country is running okay under putin dont really understand why people dont deserve free medical treatment if a person suffer from cancer and they need cover up for medical bills.
The Gen x is far poorer than their parent. Owning a house is really difficult now and jobs are getting automated.
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Also just watched the polls South carolina polling shows biden has 8 percent lead over bernie.
So Biden is still alive in the race roflol.
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The only legit fear are pharma industry and the propped up senate who are sold out to these industries.
The fear is imaginery damn even russia has free medicare and the country is running okay under putin dont really understand why people dont deserve free medical treatment if a person suffer from cancer and they need cover up for medical bills.
The Gen x is far poorer than their parent. Owning a house is really difficult now and jobs are getting automated.
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Also just watched the polls South carolina polling shows biden has 8 percent lead over bernie.
So Biden is still alive in the race roflol.
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I mean, I don’t even have to tell anyone here that the cost of living has raised astronomically over the last ten years while federal minimum wage is the same today as it was in 2010...the middle class is disappearing, and Bernie’s the only one who’s saying shit that implies he wants to bring it back. Closing the gap between you/me and anyone worth ten digits or more will only do this country good, largely at the expense of people who can afford to set their families up FOREVER while still improving life for the rest of us.
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Middle class is already slowly disappearing this is already happening in UK thats why there were huge no of working class favored tight immigration . I am not sure what happens if this keeps up in 2030, def immigration is a very standing point right now adopting point based system can work since Canada does that.
What US need right now is tighten the border and adopt strong policies that help the working class minimum wage. The visa abuse must be stopped and hire more local in blue collar jobs .
What US need right now is tighten the border and adopt strong policies that help the working class minimum wage. The visa abuse must be stopped and hire more local in blue collar jobs .
Lol how is taxing the rich going to help the economy ? You know what happens when you tax the rich ? Prices go up, unemployment rate and salary goes down.
What do you think, the rich won't buy another car ? No, they will just Invest less in their company, and the ones who will be in a bad place are the workers like most likely you and me. Legalizing Marijuana will happen, Bernie or not. And how will medicare save americans 600 million ?
Dont you know what's happening in Europe ? I live on Portugal and there is ABSOLUTELY NOBODY that dosnt shit on the hospitals. Hours of waiting, no resources in any hospital, you literally see people crying in pain and ive heard stories of people DYING on lines. Plus, its 'free". When you have something that can really kill you and its not cheap, you better hope some rich guy gives you money. Most people that have cancer in Portugal go to the US to have treatment, and they go not with state money but with donations from good people.
I dont agree with the current way of healthcare but that's for another post.
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Do you know why ? Because of the increase in governemnt intervention. Bernie would make it 10x worse mcuh faster.
P.S : ECONOMY IS NOT A CAKE. IF A GUY TAKES 7, YOU LOSE 7. PRODUCTS AND RICHES ARE MADE. THUS, TAXING THE RICH WONT HELP THE POOR, AS BOTH NEED ONE ANOTHER AND BOTH GROW TOGETHER. THIS IS ECONOMICS 101.
RICH PEOPLE ONLY GET RICH DUE TO TWO REASONS : GOVERNEMNT HELP OR GIVING GOOD PRODUCTS AT A GOOD PRICE. THIS IS BENEFITIAL FOR ALL CLASSES OF AMERICA.
BERNIE'S TAX PLAN WILL COMPLETELY, AND UTTERLY DECIMATE THE USA IN THE LONG RUN
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And by the way i hate with compassion most of the politicians, but Bernie HAS BEEN consistent with his policies, he was defending this stuff before it was normal, unlike other democrats. Hes still a crazy guy.
Also, find it funny being him a socialist (even tho he doesnt seem to know what it even means) and his campaign is the one who has more money in it..
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What ? You dont understand why people FEAR SOCIALISM ? Really? I dont even need to argue here
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes
Plus you can add 80% of dictatorships as they are ALL based on socialism pre Marx and INFLUENCED by Marx.
What do you think, the rich won't buy another car ? No, they will just Invest less in their company, and the ones who will be in a bad place are the workers like most likely you and me. Legalizing Marijuana will happen, Bernie or not. And how will medicare save americans 600 million ?
Dont you know what's happening in Europe ? I live on Portugal and there is ABSOLUTELY NOBODY that dosnt shit on the hospitals. Hours of waiting, no resources in any hospital, you literally see people crying in pain and ive heard stories of people DYING on lines. Plus, its 'free". When you have something that can really kill you and its not cheap, you better hope some rich guy gives you money. Most people that have cancer in Portugal go to the US to have treatment, and they go not with state money but with donations from good people.
I dont agree with the current way of healthcare but that's for another post.
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Do you know why ? Because of the increase in governemnt intervention. Bernie would make it 10x worse mcuh faster.
P.S : ECONOMY IS NOT A CAKE. IF A GUY TAKES 7, YOU LOSE 7. PRODUCTS AND RICHES ARE MADE. THUS, TAXING THE RICH WONT HELP THE POOR, AS BOTH NEED ONE ANOTHER AND BOTH GROW TOGETHER. THIS IS ECONOMICS 101.
RICH PEOPLE ONLY GET RICH DUE TO TWO REASONS : GOVERNEMNT HELP OR GIVING GOOD PRODUCTS AT A GOOD PRICE. THIS IS BENEFITIAL FOR ALL CLASSES OF AMERICA.
BERNIE'S TAX PLAN WILL COMPLETELY, AND UTTERLY DECIMATE THE USA IN THE LONG RUN
@Jew D. Boy i edited and added this at caps locks
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And by the way i hate with compassion most of the politicians, but Bernie HAS BEEN consistent with his policies, he was defending this stuff before it was normal, unlike other democrats. Hes still a crazy guy.
Also, find it funny being him a socialist (even tho he doesnt seem to know what it even means) and his campaign is the one who has more money in it..
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What ? You dont understand why people FEAR SOCIALISM ? Really? I dont even need to argue here
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes
Plus you can add 80% of dictatorships as they are ALL based on socialism pre Marx and INFLUENCED by Marx.
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Depend on how govt invest on healthcare. I dont think bernie will go full europeon model in his health care.
I d like public - private participation. The necessity like cancer medicines , treatments should be partly reimbursed so that there wont be a problem of debts.
Your first Quote its about taxing super rich the one with 1 percent. I do think levying more tax is fair because they already relieve in other schemes already. We are talking of making field level. The top 1 percent already monopolise the economy and buying out politician so this will norlt end even bernie cant do much since most lobbyist inn senate are sellouts.
I d like public - private participation. The necessity like cancer medicines , treatments should be partly reimbursed so that there wont be a problem of debts.
Your first Quote its about taxing super rich the one with 1 percent. I do think levying more tax is fair because they already relieve in other schemes already. We are talking of making field level. The top 1 percent already monopolise the economy and buying out politician so this will norlt end even bernie cant do much since most lobbyist inn senate are sellouts.
"Hitting the richest 180,000 American households, Saez and Zucman estimate the tax would raise $4.35 trillion over the next decade, which Sanders says would go toward paying for his biggest policies, including Medicare-for-all, affordable housing, and universal childcare." - Vox
This won't go well. It would raise 4.35 trillion but it would diminize, in the long run : production/salary / plus as i said : prices will go up and so will unemployment.
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Public and private participation doesnt work as it doesnt allow the private sector, which is pretty much better in all of the other sector, to compete for the really poor people like the supermarkets do.
Plus, just to add some philosophycal arguments as im pretty sure you believe contrary to me : Health is not a right. You need workforce + money to invest in building hospitals, etc, which obviously means slavery as it means YOU have the right to ANOTHER person's WORK. Now, food IS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN HEALTHCARE, and i dont think you think we would be better with a public food service : if you do, cuba says otherwise. The food they gave montlhy to the people, since it's Introduction, has reduced by more than the half (meaning the people receive less than half the food than they did before).
And this is also what's happening in Europe with public hospitals.
This won't go well. It would raise 4.35 trillion but it would diminize, in the long run : production/salary / plus as i said : prices will go up and so will unemployment.
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Public and private participation doesnt work as it doesnt allow the private sector, which is pretty much better in all of the other sector, to compete for the really poor people like the supermarkets do.
Plus, just to add some philosophycal arguments as im pretty sure you believe contrary to me : Health is not a right. You need workforce + money to invest in building hospitals, etc, which obviously means slavery as it means YOU have the right to ANOTHER person's WORK. Now, food IS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN HEALTHCARE, and i dont think you think we would be better with a public food service : if you do, cuba says otherwise. The food they gave montlhy to the people, since it's Introduction, has reduced by more than the half (meaning the people receive less than half the food than they did before).
And this is also what's happening in Europe with public hospitals.
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Short term pain for long term gain. This is last chance a socialist has gained so much traction in US politics.
Eitherway it wont be entirely free trust me tje congress and senate will not make bernies dream come true if he ever becomes president.
I would say medicare for all will def tax upperclass society its upto people. Live with heavy tax and have decent health care or shell out bucks and live with premium interest rate from your health insurance company.
I d say health care in USis way better than in Europe. The standards is par above but with ever increasing cost and fall in income standards things are not perfect seriously debt is like living death sentence. It suffocates you daily you need to pay money or lose your asseylt or house at worst .
There islack of proper of stats NHS works decently if govt really makes it work the public healthcare will be success.
Eitherway it wont be entirely free trust me tje congress and senate will not make bernies dream come true if he ever becomes president.
I would say medicare for all will def tax upperclass society its upto people. Live with heavy tax and have decent health care or shell out bucks and live with premium interest rate from your health insurance company.
I d say health care in USis way better than in Europe. The standards is par above but with ever increasing cost and fall in income standards things are not perfect seriously debt is like living death sentence. It suffocates you daily you need to pay money or lose your asseylt or house at worst .
There islack of proper of stats NHS works decently if govt really makes it work the public healthcare will be success.
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You should see NHS in UK . I am not sure how public health care runs in portugal though. It depends on quality of clinic i agree there are fallacy in free public treatment .
Well communism is not socialism. Bernie never advocated to control public enterprises or restricting private goods.China is good example of authortarian regime there is no fundemental right exist for people you either vote for that party or lose every scheme chinese govt provide.
If we are taking by standard of todays world i say Norway, Denmark , Germany are better example they have mixed economy not socialist regime.
What bernie wants is more public-private participation. Govt are appojnted by the people to help them to raise certain standard in society.
If you compare poverty standard and wage comparison with Norway , Denmark or iceland people are not living by decent standard as well.
Well communism is not socialism. Bernie never advocated to control public enterprises or restricting private goods.China is good example of authortarian regime there is no fundemental right exist for people you either vote for that party or lose every scheme chinese govt provide.
If we are taking by standard of todays world i say Norway, Denmark , Germany are better example they have mixed economy not socialist regime.
What bernie wants is more public-private participation. Govt are appojnted by the people to help them to raise certain standard in society.
If you compare poverty standard and wage comparison with Norway , Denmark or iceland people are not living by decent standard as well.
I know Bernie is not a socialist. That's why i said he doesnt even know what socialism means as a joke.
I could adress why the the nordic system will completely fail on the US, but i will adress how it IS failling the nordic countries lmao.
First, the nordic countries started by being free market countries and got really wealthy. Currently, even tho they are still somewhat free market countries, are beggining to slow down (principally Sweden) so .. its only a matter of time before the bill comes to pay
I could adress why the the nordic system will completely fail on the US, but i will adress how it IS failling the nordic countries lmao.
First, the nordic countries started by being free market countries and got really wealthy. Currently, even tho they are still somewhat free market countries, are beggining to slow down (principally Sweden) so .. its only a matter of time before the bill comes to pay
Biden has taken many hits in this campaign, dude is a walking meme at this point
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Same for Sweden, so wrong statement. Sweden particularly looks good GDP-wise.
Iceland has a similar growth rate
Admittedly Norway, Finland and Denmark are around 1% annually, but that´s a similar rate or even higher than most first world countries like France, Germany, Japan and so forth.
Not saying their concept will automatically work, there are too many factors to accurately predict that, but the claim it´s not working is not really accurate, especially by the criteria you put forth, namely growth.
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GDP growth last 25 years US
Same for Sweden, so wrong statement. Sweden particularly looks good GDP-wise.
Iceland has a similar growth rate
Admittedly Norway, Finland and Denmark are around 1% annually, but that´s a similar rate or even higher than most first world countries like France, Germany, Japan and so forth.
Not saying their concept will automatically work, there are too many factors to accurately predict that, but the claim it´s not working is not really accurate, especially by the criteria you put forth, namely growth.
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Its funny even obama has not said or blessed biden's campaign. He knew biden was loony old man . Other than south carolina win he is losing every where.
I kinda underrated Bloomberg seems like establishment really dont want bernie at all. They even allowed bloomberg to debate in later stages.
Clearly they lost hope on biden ,warren is a non serious candidate,buttigeg polls zero with African American communities.
This is perhaps one of the weakest candidate field after so many years.
Bernie should win super Tuesday without much effort.
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I knew biden was unfit to run the office even before he campaigned.
His touching with woman , he had similar gaffe in previous president campaigns. Biden hardly learnt from his mistake.
With the Hunter biden corruption investigation , i seriously doubt dems will risk nominating him. They have been rallying behind buttigeg and bloomberg. Why do you think bloomberg made such late entry ?
I kinda underrated Bloomberg seems like establishment really dont want bernie at all. They even allowed bloomberg to debate in later stages.
Clearly they lost hope on biden ,warren is a non serious candidate,buttigeg polls zero with African American communities.
This is perhaps one of the weakest candidate field after so many years.
Bernie should win super Tuesday without much effort.
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Biden has taken many hits in this campaign, dude is a walking meme at this point
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GDP growth last 25 years US
Same for Sweden, so wrong statement. Sweden particularly looks good GDP-wise.
Iceland has a similar growth rate
Admittedly Norway, Finland and Denmark are around 1% annually, but that´s a similar rate or even higher than most first world countries like France, Germany, Japan and so forth.
Not saying their concept will automatically work, there are too many factors to accurately predict that, but the claim it´s not working is not really accurate, especially by the criteria you put forth, namely growth.
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GDP growth last 25 years US
Same for Sweden, so wrong statement. Sweden particularly looks good GDP-wise.
Iceland has a similar growth rate
Admittedly Norway, Finland and Denmark are around 1% annually, but that´s a similar rate or even higher than most first world countries like France, Germany, Japan and so forth.
Not saying their concept will automatically work, there are too many factors to accurately predict that, but the claim it´s not working is not really accurate, especially by the criteria you put forth, namely growth.
His touching with woman , he had similar gaffe in previous president campaigns. Biden hardly learnt from his mistake.
With the Hunter biden corruption investigation , i seriously doubt dems will risk nominating him. They have been rallying behind buttigeg and bloomberg. Why do you think bloomberg made such late entry ?
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The panic is big that Bernie might go through, so they cant decide which candidate to put up against him.
Biden was the obvious choice in the beginning but he quickly became a lost cause, Harris was a favorite but Tulsi put that down quickly and now you basically have Klobuchar ( NY Times actually endorsed her and Warren for fucks sake) Warren and Pete, and it seems like Pete is the one.
Many people unfortunately are still too gullible and easily influenced, and Bloomberg bought a ton of ad air time, and exposure results in poll numbers.
Dude is completely self-financed.
Biden was the obvious choice in the beginning but he quickly became a lost cause, Harris was a favorite but Tulsi put that down quickly and now you basically have Klobuchar ( NY Times actually endorsed her and Warren for fucks sake) Warren and Pete, and it seems like Pete is the one.
Many people unfortunately are still too gullible and easily influenced, and Bloomberg bought a ton of ad air time, and exposure results in poll numbers.
Dude is completely self-financed.
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