Controversial Venting Thread - Mafia Edition
- Thread starter Ratchet
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- Tags ekko and beta forever hime is a bully reloaded is guilty and i can prove it
I feel like I make quite a lot of effort to remove subjectivity from anything I do as a mod here. I like to think I'm very transparent with almost everything. I tell you why you're getting a strike for instance and I share it with the community, I post the strikes to a public thread, I allow you to discuss it with me where relevant and the system in general is designed precisely to avoid me overreaching as a mod. That's why the strike system exists. I don't think any other site I've been on has been more transparent, actually. So I push back on this narrative. I really do believe I do more than what most section leads have done previously in terms of trying to be fair and open.
What I can't promise is that all subjectivity it removed. There is, inherently, judgement calls that need to be made. I've explained why I've made those calls to you many times over, about 4 separate times within a PM and many more times in public. At some point, if you disagree you disagree, you disagreeing does not require me to meet you halfway or compromise with you. Often times I will. When I first went to ban Flower a year or so ago, I said 6 months. The community told me that that was way too harsh, so I met them in a middle ground and went for 3 games, which came to about 2 months. And I further relaxed it so Flower could play an Ariess game because he had asked me to do so. I'm more than willing to work with people here.
But with Finalbeta, I cannot, my conscience will not allow it. You may think I'm being biased to victims or that I'm being performative, in the way a virtue signaller might be, but I have more experience with Finalbeta than most do here. I was running a mafia section (with two other people) on a site called MangaMaid, which was my first experience with Finalbeta. We ended up banning him there after giving him several chances. Then I went to TMF where he was, again, banned. He showed up on OPB where he was banned once again. I can't just sit there and tell people who might be very uncomfortable with him that he's a changed man and deserves another chance when yet again I see all the same hallmarks of the Finalbeta than I knew 8 years ago. I told you this in our PM convo and you've basically ignored it. That's fine, suits me actually. But you can't then imply I'm banning without giving due consideration or trying to be fair to people.
I can't tell women that they should just ignore Finalbeta, that the things he says that makes them feel like they're not safe here should just be ignored because it doesn't matter. I don't experience that stuff so all I have is my empathy. And maybe I don't have much of it but I have enough that I can't just ignore what they're telling me and give him yet another chance. I've seen it too many times. I feel like I'd be letting them down. I can only offer a pragmatic solution for him - that be that he plays elsewhere. I won't damage his ability to do that. I just don't want him here.
What I can't promise is that all subjectivity it removed. There is, inherently, judgement calls that need to be made. I've explained why I've made those calls to you many times over, about 4 separate times within a PM and many more times in public. At some point, if you disagree you disagree, you disagreeing does not require me to meet you halfway or compromise with you. Often times I will. When I first went to ban Flower a year or so ago, I said 6 months. The community told me that that was way too harsh, so I met them in a middle ground and went for 3 games, which came to about 2 months. And I further relaxed it so Flower could play an Ariess game because he had asked me to do so. I'm more than willing to work with people here.
But with Finalbeta, I cannot, my conscience will not allow it. You may think I'm being biased to victims or that I'm being performative, in the way a virtue signaller might be, but I have more experience with Finalbeta than most do here. I was running a mafia section (with two other people) on a site called MangaMaid, which was my first experience with Finalbeta. We ended up banning him there after giving him several chances. Then I went to TMF where he was, again, banned. He showed up on OPB where he was banned once again. I can't just sit there and tell people who might be very uncomfortable with him that he's a changed man and deserves another chance when yet again I see all the same hallmarks of the Finalbeta than I knew 8 years ago. I told you this in our PM convo and you've basically ignored it. That's fine, suits me actually. But you can't then imply I'm banning without giving due consideration or trying to be fair to people.
I can't tell women that they should just ignore Finalbeta, that the things he says that makes them feel like they're not safe here should just be ignored because it doesn't matter. I don't experience that stuff so all I have is my empathy. And maybe I don't have much of it but I have enough that I can't just ignore what they're telling me and give him yet another chance. I've seen it too many times. I feel like I'd be letting them down. I can only offer a pragmatic solution for him - that be that he plays elsewhere. I won't damage his ability to do that. I just don't want him here.
u should do it LOL XD
i might make a naruto based edit and purposely not give @AL sama kakashi
tho only problem is i dont think i can include everyone with these things argh
i might make a naruto based edit and purposely not give @AL sama kakashi
tho only problem is i dont think i can include everyone with these things argh
i only have 1 sample size case to make my statement btw. i think there are minor cases that happen here and there like flowers shenanigans in which a subjective opinion from the mods may not vary from an objective one. or rather the room for variations is low. a case like betas parole is a complex one and i think subjective modding opinions + victims alibi are swaying the scales heavily.
that track record you provided is in itself subjective. i.e you arent banning beta for something he did in WG but rather a (personal?) issue that carried over from previous sites. beta played just fine with us 3 years ago so its unfair to say that "the things he says" makes women unsafe when he hasn't done so in 3+ years. more fair to say "the things he said"
the best way to judge this is see how women who dont know betas past feel about him. thats who will give u an unbiased opinion regarding who he has become
i do also see that there is clearly a confusion from the victim side regarding the differences between a parole and trial in that they are claiming that due to my actions/posts i do not care about rape or sexual harrasment, which tells me we are operating on different wavelengths.
i want to make it clear again that we are not in 2020- deciding whether to ban beta or not. for me to not care about SA/rape id have to be saying to not lock beta in the past for those actions. we're long past that stage. we're at the stage where we leave subjective opinions behind us and focus on the criminal himself. has he met the requirements to be released in 2025 or not. the mods, or atleast some of them, are not only saying no, but are also saying beta will never ever be released. i think this is also unfair to him and I stand against it and want the rules of WG to be examined because this shouldn't be something mods can do as they wish.
that track record you provided is in itself subjective. i.e you arent banning beta for something he did in WG but rather a (personal?) issue that carried over from previous sites. beta played just fine with us 3 years ago so its unfair to say that "the things he says" makes women unsafe when he hasn't done so in 3+ years. more fair to say "the things he said"
the best way to judge this is see how women who dont know betas past feel about him. thats who will give u an unbiased opinion regarding who he has become
i do also see that there is clearly a confusion from the victim side regarding the differences between a parole and trial in that they are claiming that due to my actions/posts i do not care about rape or sexual harrasment, which tells me we are operating on different wavelengths.
i want to make it clear again that we are not in 2020- deciding whether to ban beta or not. for me to not care about SA/rape id have to be saying to not lock beta in the past for those actions. we're long past that stage. we're at the stage where we leave subjective opinions behind us and focus on the criminal himself. has he met the requirements to be released in 2025 or not. the mods, or atleast some of them, are not only saying no, but are also saying beta will never ever be released. i think this is also unfair to him and I stand against it and want the rules of WG to be examined because this shouldn't be something mods can do as they wish.
