Character Discussion Vergo and the Punk Hazard arc is based and modelled off of the terminator. Vergo is destined to "come back" greater than ever!

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For anyone that knows me, I always save the best for last, and this is it folks. The big reveal that I will unearth to you now is one that will irrevocably change the landscape of the One Piece world and powerscaling. The characters you either all thought (or so badly wanted) to be dead or unimportant in the grand scheme of things, I can't say just how dead wrong you are. It appears for all this time people have missed the, in my mind, quite glaringly obvious terminator parrallels Vergo has going for him, and though that may be because I'm a huge fan of the franschise, it nevertheless surprises me just a little actually that this was never once truly touched on or investigated as a possibility. Nevertheless there's absolutely no mistaken it, Oda has created Vergo with very specific intentions and I will show you just how much he wanted us to be able to tease out these connections and let us know what Vergo is all about. As such, let me break it down for you why Goda made Punk Hazard into Vergo's arc and why Vergo was the Terminator missioned to bring down the punks in Punk Hazard.

This is going to be a long one, but we have Monet working the bar and has prepared some chow and drinks for this long occassion. It so happens this 4th of december marks the International Cookie Day, and I happened to impound a lot of different sorts of snack and treats from some bloke with a weird looking firecracker buns on his head leading a BM shipment. Weird dude who hid behind cookie soldiers that I took care of easily then sent him on his way, because it was like the difference between day and night: he hates pain while I fucking embrace it! Now I have massive cookies to share as a result. Also, good thing we have Monet in case my false memory bouts start kicking in, as she will be able to help keep our discussion on track. So with that said, let's get down to brass tacks, beyond the false veneer, to see what truly lies beneath the surface of this "mystery man".

(1) The heart

In Vergo's introduction we see Vergo with Law's heart, and him toying with the heart was a big point and theme in Punk Hazard. I can't help but draw connections to this epic introductory scene in Terminator 1 where he schools and rips out the heart of some punk. This is his first action scene in the whole franchise, and a very iconic one.

(2) Metal constitution

Vergo is "like a mass of iron or something", ie he has a metal endoskeleton, same as the terminators.
It is very obvious Sanji is not referring to any technique here, such as tekkai kempo, which is what Jyabura used to be able to use tekkai while moving. Sanji is intimately familiar with this technique, so we should be able to rule out this possibility because Sanji is not sure what the deal is with Vergo's body. Oda chose to have Vergo have food stuck to his chin as one of his gags, which, as funny as that is, it also goes to underscore his connection with metals (like how food gets stuck to metal pans). So there's definitely something going on with his actual body.

(2.1) False Memory
Also, Vergo (if you remember) suffers from false memory, which - in addition to to the many funny scenarios you could play out with this - is also an interesting trait that in real life could be caused by lead and/or other heavy metal poisoning; though I'm not saying Vergo suffers fromheavy metal poisoning, it just might be a small little hint that Oda is giving us here with regards to his connection to metals, yet again.

(3) The terminator's CPU and Germa DNA

If you recall from Terminator 2, the reason Cyberdyne corporations could develop their robotics technology was because they had gotten their hands on the CPU and robotic arm of the original model-101 that got crushed under the hydraulic press in Terminator 1. The whole Cyberdyne network system was in fact developed from the hardware and software of the original T-101 terminator. They needed the CPU of Arnold from terminator 1 to be able to develop the robotics that would later turn into the defense network Skynet that would eventually gain self-awareness, wage war on the human race, etc (then we get into some complicated shit about alernative realities and all that stuff lol).

The obvious connection here with Vergo is that Oda makes no secret that Vergo is the guy on which the whole Germa is based on; the blueprints for his DNA laid the foundation for their North Blue takeover. We know this because though there are many different kinds of Germa soldiers, the only two highlighted ones, the one in the cryogenic chamver and the other that sacrificed himself by the orders of Judge, those two are literally the spitting image of Vergo. Of course the original DNA template >>> the products; the original being the one that escaped and got into the hands of Trebol.

Summary: CPU of terminator = development of Skynet. DNA of Vergo = development of Germa. :endthis:

(4) The perfect infiltrator

The terminators, if you remember, were created by Skynet, to look like and mimick human behaviour so as to infiltrate the resistance movement. The terminators shifted the war, it gave the machines the ability to gain an advantage over humankid, and many of the terminators were in fact so good you probably wouldn't have recognised them as traitors before it was too late. The whole point of the terminators were to be flawless infiltrators.

It's this programming that is the key, to where the best terminator can literally act the part and appear truly sincere and genuinely on your side for years and decades, only to at the drop of a hat just whack you just like that. It uncannily reminds me of the way Vergo pursued his mission to a T (as it were) becoming the literal father figure for his subordinates, but nevertheless staying forever true to his original mission, without flincing or hesitating wiping out the entire G-5 unit that he had shepherded for almost 15 years. Vergo was someone that was overly emphasised by the G-5 soldiers that they would never ever believe Vergo being capable of such a thing. They stubbornly held onto the belief that the Vergo they saw was a fake Vergo. :cheers:

Vergo I think more than anyone embodies this Terminator-like mindset of staying so unyieldingly loyal to what he was set out to do, which is both frightening and admirable at the same time. Vergo remained so fiercely loyal to Doflamingo at all times that it also makes his death scene ever the more impactful, having his efforts be recognised by the "programmer", as it were, in the end which actually made him smile for the first time. Vergo would have never strayed from the path he was set out for, just like a true Terminator.

(5) The human experiments

This is actually a very minor point such that it can even be disregarded altogether because in my mind the human experiment part was not even a big highlight in the movie. From Terminator 4 we saw how the machines were rounding up humans for orderly disposal, and we learn from Kyle Reese how humankind almost were at the brink of extinction at one point. Yet we also learn some were experimented upon to make them into cybernetic organisms, Marcus Wright being one of them who after Skynet took over, they continued with the research on him and performed exhaustive experiments on him. They did do some experiments on human, yet this is not a big highlight, so I'll just mention it but not make a big point about it. The connection of couse being Vergo was the one responsible for the kidnapping of children that were used for weaponisation experiments (making them bigger and stronger).

(6) The barren wasteland caused by weapons of mass destruction

Before Punk Hazard was engulfed in a gas explosion that made it into a dead and barren landscape it was lush and full of life. Punk Hazard was even further devestated and in fact permanently altered by the scale of the conflict that ensued between the two admirals.

When Judgment Day hit, there was a nuclear war set off by the machines to wipe out the humans. The result was utterly devestating with 3 billions lives lost (at that time more than half of the world population) and major swathes of earth utterly devestated by the sheer scale of this conflict. The war with the machines further devestated the planet.

6) The shootout at the police house

You remember the scene from Terminator 1 where T-101 goes on a full rampage at the police station with Sarah Connor hiding under a table sobbing, waiting for her imminent demise? That is not so much different from this scene where Vergo is in the process of wiping out the remainder of the G-5 unit with shigan, where you have Tashigi sobbing on the floor unable to move or speak. Both are frozen to the bone in the face of this unyielding indestructible force. Vergo just like the T-101 just kills everyone with no emotion. Vergo really looks like a robot aimed only to kill his targets. No expressions, no nothing. The police can't do nothing against the terminator, same as the entire G-5 can try their best to go up against Vergo but to no avail. Nothing can quell this man's ferocity! Not even cuck Sanji with shin break :suresure:(getting to that)
Lol I dont get it I always disagree with you in the discussion section but in this theory section I love to read your theory because you always hit the nail and deliver such an amazing theory thats not a theory anymore that's real and the parallels are hit right on the spot
there is nothing to disagree just can you gives us more

Lol you found every freaking clue on this and youre right

Vergo was like a "maschine" back then in dressrosa now it makes click and I think "how the fuck" couldnt I see it back then its obvious if there would be a rating 5 stars
 
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With all due respect to Kaido, i must question his decision to allow someone like King to operate as his right hand man. The same guy whose full power beak attack got borderline brushed off by Judge's son. Meanwhile a casual Vergo switches legs on him.

I guess it's due to the fact Vergo was mainly working undercover that Kaido isn't aware of his strength, i'm sure he'd make him an All Star without a doubt.
Both King and Sanji clashed with haki, Sanji borderline ignoring him most of the clash too :moonwalk:

Meanwhile, Luffy outright says in PH that Sanji is a CoA user, so I must believe Sanji used CoA in his fight against Vergo (ie Checkovs gun, "every element in a story must be relevant" + this is Sanji's toughest clash in the NW). That's what makes Vergo's feat really crazy, that he broke through Sanji's hardened defence using no hardening himself. :believe:

Kaido would have a non-df user lead his ranks of beasts, that's how scary Vergo is :cr7:

Lol I dont get it I always disagree with you in the discussion section but in this theory section I love to read your theory because you always hit the nail and deliver such an amazing theory thats not a theory anymore that's real and the parallels are hit right on the spot
there is nothing to disagree just can you gives us more

Lol you found every freaking clue on this and youre right

Vergo was like a "maschine" back then in dressrosa now it makes click and I think "how the fuck" couldnt I see it back then its obvious if there would be a rating 5 stars
Thank you, glad you liked it! :)

I can give you something more, something I didn't actually know until I googled it yesterday (can't believe that for all this time the idea of typing "Oda and terminator" on the search engine never even crossed my mind lol) but Oda actually has a life size terminator in his office :pepecafe:


:bignews::bignews::bignews:
Holy shit, let me grab some tea and read this shit. @critical mindset You've outdone yourself.
@Dragomir is it possible to commission a forum wide tag? I want one of the tags to be Vergo just for CM :sweat:
Today is the international cookie day so make sure to treat yourself in the spirit of reading this culmination of all my work :cheers:


Btw, nice sig bro! :steef:
 
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I can give you something more, something I didn't actually know until I googled it yesterday (can't believe that for all this time the idea of typing "Oda and terminator" on the search engine never even crossed my mind lol) but Oda actually has a life
Lol this verify everything this top fact not theory it would be nice if guys like you would focus on this kind of section this is better than the endless powerlevel debates
 
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well if you wanna argue the statement of luffy means sanji used haki, then sanji mentioning vergos iron body could be treated the same :kayneshrug:
When there is haki usage from both sides there is always an accompanied sfx or something inidicating a haki clash. Vergo wasn't using any tekkai that he knows from fighitng Jyabura, the tekkai specialist. He finds him weird for being made of metal, "mass of iron" is his bodily constitution.
 
When there is haki usage from both sides there is always an accompanied sfx or something inidicating a haki clash. Vergo wasn't using any tekkai that he knows from fighitng Jyabura, the tekkai specialist. He finds him weird for being made of metal, "mass of iron" is his bodily constitution.
so essentially for sanji that throwaway statement of luffy must mean he used haki against vergo, but sanjis statement directly after hitting vergo must mean something else entirely without any basis whatsoever. :okay:
 
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so essentially for sanji that throwaway statement of luffy must mean he used haki against vergo, but sanjis statement directly after hitting vergo must mean something else entirely without any basis whatsoever. :okay:
Hello, do you know what this thread is fucking about? Did you at all bother to read it, wtf are you here?
 

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I'll be honest I love Vergo's character for several aspects... mostly for the mightiness he displayed despite not being a top dog, but also his solid temper and cool that made him a man of steel...

But he might never return and that is for the way Law dealt with him. His death was pretty much portrayed, just like Monet's. If Vergo returned, Monet also shall the way I see it, not necessarily but it would make more sense than not.
 
When there is haki usage from both sides there is always an accompanied sfx or something inidicating a haki clash. Vergo wasn't using any tekkai that he knows from fighitng Jyabura, the tekkai specialist. He finds him weird for being made of metal, "mass of iron" is his bodily constitution.
I know english is not my first language but still I'm at loss here, when vergo fight jabura? Am I missing something?.. or what is this all about? The way I see it it's just rampant from someone who hurt his head
 
Well you write vergo it's not my fault to misunderstand.. either way this is utter bullshit and I suggest you should go to doctor dude there's something wrong in your head.. in positive note this is entertaining even all the folks in here just play along..
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You really have a unhealthy obsession with Vergo, there are some people who wank certain characters to the extreme and then there is you lol.
Let him be man, vergod truly GOAT to the point he being irrelevant in the story lol.. and you know this is amusing to see clown trying so hard to fit his narrative into the story
 
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You really have a unhealthy obsession with Vergo, there are some people who wank certain characters to the extreme and then there is you lol.
Well you write vergo it's not my fault to misunderstand.. either way this is utter bullshit and I suggest you should go to doctor dude there's something wrong in your head.. in positive note this is entertaining even all the folks in here just play along..
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Let him be man, vergod truly GOAT to the point he being irrelevant in the story lol.. and you know this is amusing to see clown trying so hard to fit his narrative into the story
I can't help you niggaz if your brains aren't receptive or you're just too slow to connect. Oda is not even subtle about it, he was throwing it in our faces all along. The connections are very obvious lol
 
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