She was shown when Bege/Jinbe/Caesar discussed Big Mom's "monsters" before they raided the wedding. She to me seems like a Big Mom "lite". I think there is a specific reason Oda didn't elaborate too much on all of the powerhouses in her crew; to keep them interesting for the war. Snack is still a silhouette, and Campote has been shown to be "present" during the fighting but Oda just didn't show off her powers. Smoothie and her two sisters haven't really been shown off either.
I mean:
- 4 of the Flying Six are unrevealed, Page One will be back.
- 8-10 Numbers are unrevealed, and we have no idea how relevant they are
- Orochi's retainers and Mimiwarigumi are possibly strong enough to be warm up fights or fodder relevant fights.
They are there, they just haven't really been shown off yet.
I mean:
- 4 of the Flying Six are unrevealed, Page One will be back.
- 8-10 Numbers are unrevealed, and we have no idea how relevant they are
- Orochi's retainers and Mimiwarigumi are possibly strong enough to be warm up fights or fodder relevant fights.
They are there, they just haven't really been shown off yet.
With all these numbers they still have 3 High tiers only, unless Oda neglects Ashura/Denjiro/Kawamatsu/Dukes to fight these 6 headliners instead of YCs, and there's a possibility of Drake/Hawkins backstabbing. more importantly, you can't feel the dynamics and threat of the Yonko alliance if one of these two crews weren't even present. for instance, Perospero facing Minks(sulong Carrot?) would be a great payback fight for avenging Pedro instead of wasting them on fighting someone random.
They could also be busy fighting with Nekumamushi and whatever forces he brought up with him. i really think Neku heard about the Yonko alliance and decided to seek help from Elbaf since they hold a grudge against Linlin.
There's also the strawhat Grandfleet captains who could be a match for the likes of Daifuku/Combote/Mont D'or etc..
There's also the strawhat Grandfleet captains who could be a match for the likes of Daifuku/Combote/Mont D'or etc..
Doubt they'll show up. With Oda telling us they've got 5400 men that's near enough a give away that there will be two hundred reinforcements (coming with Jinbei and Neko) so we can get 5600 men.
The Grand Fleet shouldn't even be able to get into Wano without help anyway. Jinbei's an uber helmsman and FI, so he can get himself in no bother, Neko's been there before so knows the way.
The Grand Fleet shouldn't even be able to get into Wano without help anyway. Jinbei's an uber helmsman and FI, so he can get himself in no bother, Neko's been there before so knows the way.
Very unlikely. He'd have to hear about in advance for starters, when so far the Marines only found out about it through Drake, on the day before the fire festival. Then he'd have to get to Elbaf from Sphinx, and back to Wano, all in time for the Fire Festival, while convincing Elbaf in was in their best interests to attack an alliance of two Yonko
I don't really see how they won't be considering Oda has already established the big mom pirates alliance with Kaidou as the new Rocks pirates the most unprecedented alliance as Sengoku dubbed it IIRC. Big Mom pirates failing to live up to the hype as antagonists will be anti-climatic asf imo. Something important to note, is that Big Mom is missing two of her sweet commanders which I think significantly lessens the hurdle for the alliance. Imagine if the alliance had to take down both Katakuri and Cracker in this arc ^^". So the alliance can do it, but they'd prolly be needing more allies which is almost guaranteed to come in the form of sword and we could potentially also see Hancock on Wano depending on how her encounter with Coby goes. I think Oda is setting up another Pirate + Marine alliance vs Rocks confrontation.
Also Wano seems to have major ties to OP so could be why Oda is making the hurdle for the antagonists so high.
Also Wano seems to have major ties to OP so could be why Oda is making the hurdle for the antagonists so high.
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Nekumamushi's mission won't be significant and impactful enough to let him take this long if all he would come up with were 200 additional fodders. he's definitely bringing up some powerful allies.
Oda will find a way to make them reach Wano whether with Jinbe's help or via other means for plot to progress, they have Luffy's vivre card. more importantly if the Strawhat Grandfleet won't show up for a massive war including two emperors like this when Luffy is in dire need of numbers, then when would they?
Informing the giants of Big Mom's presence on Wano could also work. apparently, Big Mom pursuing Luffy in Wano is something known (as mentioned by Teach reading the daily news) but Nekumamushi could further explain to them they have a plan and other allies to take on the Yonko. It won't only boost the alliance with powerful allies replacing the Whitebeard remnants, but also would solve the Mother Carmel mystery since giants are the only people who knew about what happened at Linlin's 6th birthday.
thus, saving us from another unneeded Big Mom showdown on Elbaf and sealing her plot forever.
Oda will find a way to make them reach Wano whether with Jinbe's help or via other means for plot to progress, they have Luffy's vivre card. more importantly if the Strawhat Grandfleet won't show up for a massive war including two emperors like this when Luffy is in dire need of numbers, then when would they?
Informing the giants of Big Mom's presence on Wano could also work. apparently, Big Mom pursuing Luffy in Wano is something known (as mentioned by Teach reading the daily news) but Nekumamushi could further explain to them they have a plan and other allies to take on the Yonko. It won't only boost the alliance with powerful allies replacing the Whitebeard remnants, but also would solve the Mother Carmel mystery since giants are the only people who knew about what happened at Linlin's 6th birthday.
thus, saving us from another unneeded Big Mom showdown on Elbaf and sealing her plot forever.
Zoro vs King
Denjiro vs Queen
Inu vs Jack
Ashura vs Smoothie
Kawamtsu vs Perospero
Killer vs Daifuku
Robin vs Compote
Kid, On air , hawkins crew and Heart Pirates vs Big Mom crew
Sanji vs FLying brothers chief
Kinemon vs Orochi
Kiku vs Flying six
Raizou vs Fukurokuju
strawhat crew plus alliance( Samurai, Mink and Whitebeard Pirates ) vs BP
WB-Commanders vs Numbers
Luffy, Law, Hawkins , Apoo, Kid , Neko, Marco, Vista vs Kaido and Big Mom
Denjiro vs Queen
Inu vs Jack
Ashura vs Smoothie
Kawamtsu vs Perospero
Killer vs Daifuku
Robin vs Compote
Kid, On air , hawkins crew and Heart Pirates vs Big Mom crew
Sanji vs FLying brothers chief
Kinemon vs Orochi
Kiku vs Flying six
Raizou vs Fukurokuju
strawhat crew plus alliance( Samurai, Mink and Whitebeard Pirates ) vs BP
WB-Commanders vs Numbers
Luffy, Law, Hawkins , Apoo, Kid , Neko, Marco, Vista vs Kaido and Big Mom
It won't be anyone other than some WB Pirates, since they're the ones who he actually went to sea to find.
And of course it can be impactful. Scene where the alliance is overwhelmed, all seems lost, then Zunisha comes crashing into Onigashima with Neko and the rest of the Minks who all go moonlit super saiyan. If he has Marco or Izo or Jozu or Vista, all the better.
They're meant to grow and power and cause a great incident of historic proportions, so presumably then. Very hard to say them showing up and fighting fodder in the background- which is what they'd be doing on Wano, since it's the Strawhats, the Scabbards and the Worst Gen who'll be fighting the relevant enemies- fulfills that promise from Oda. Especially since their meant to "cause" this incident themselves, not play a tertiary role in a war thats been in the making years before most of them were born.
If anything it'll happen on Elbaf- we know Hajrudin's dream is to be the King, so he'll probably play a big part in that arc. If Oda ties that in to Barty burning Shanks flag and Hajrudin's history with Big Mom then there's plenty of room for the great incident to be caused there.
Have to disagree. Think it throws a very unneeded addition to an already packed arc, that makes more sense to be saved for Elbaf where it will be a main part of the plot.
And Big Mom, whether as O-Lin or herself, is going to be on Elbaf. Her story is too tied to the place to be wrapped up in a totally different arc as a side piece to the main story of opening Wano's borders. She's not going out the story here.
The "alliance" between the two has always came with caveats for me. There's been a lot of mention of it being "tentative", with Sengoku pointing out that Kaido and Big Mom have had a "tempestuous rivalry" and that the Rocks in general despised each other and spent a load of their time infighting. I think it's a lot more likely that we'll see a betrayal here than the two actually working well together. I don't really think there is much hype for the BM Pirates as antagonists here- she's spent as much time on Chopper's side as she had on Kaido's, and her crew have had no effect on the arc whatsoever.
Hancock doesn't make any sense to show up here. She'd have to have the magic teleporting fruit that people seemed to think everyone possessed back on WCI when all these allies to defeat Big Mom were apparently going to show up. Sengoku, Sakazuki, Drake and Coby told us that SWORD and the Marines are too stretched with whatever happened at Reverie with Sabo and the Warlords to show up on Wano, especially since Wano isn't under their jurisdiction. It's CP-0 that are set up to play a role.
You've got to keep in mind that Kaido and Big Mom aren't the true inheritors of Rocks will. That's Blackbeard, who's literally going to be a bigger villain than both of them combined because, well, that's how story works. Escalating threat. So yeah, we might get a repeat of Gods Valley, but it'll be Blackbeard playing the role of Rocks, not these two.
And of course it can be impactful. Scene where the alliance is overwhelmed, all seems lost, then Zunisha comes crashing into Onigashima with Neko and the rest of the Minks who all go moonlit super saiyan. If he has Marco or Izo or Jozu or Vista, all the better.
They're meant to grow and power and cause a great incident of historic proportions, so presumably then. Very hard to say them showing up and fighting fodder in the background- which is what they'd be doing on Wano, since it's the Strawhats, the Scabbards and the Worst Gen who'll be fighting the relevant enemies- fulfills that promise from Oda. Especially since their meant to "cause" this incident themselves, not play a tertiary role in a war thats been in the making years before most of them were born.
If anything it'll happen on Elbaf- we know Hajrudin's dream is to be the King, so he'll probably play a big part in that arc. If Oda ties that in to Barty burning Shanks flag and Hajrudin's history with Big Mom then there's plenty of room for the great incident to be caused there.
Have to disagree. Think it throws a very unneeded addition to an already packed arc, that makes more sense to be saved for Elbaf where it will be a main part of the plot.
And Big Mom, whether as O-Lin or herself, is going to be on Elbaf. Her story is too tied to the place to be wrapped up in a totally different arc as a side piece to the main story of opening Wano's borders. She's not going out the story here.
The "alliance" between the two has always came with caveats for me. There's been a lot of mention of it being "tentative", with Sengoku pointing out that Kaido and Big Mom have had a "tempestuous rivalry" and that the Rocks in general despised each other and spent a load of their time infighting. I think it's a lot more likely that we'll see a betrayal here than the two actually working well together. I don't really think there is much hype for the BM Pirates as antagonists here- she's spent as much time on Chopper's side as she had on Kaido's, and her crew have had no effect on the arc whatsoever.
Hancock doesn't make any sense to show up here. She'd have to have the magic teleporting fruit that people seemed to think everyone possessed back on WCI when all these allies to defeat Big Mom were apparently going to show up. Sengoku, Sakazuki, Drake and Coby told us that SWORD and the Marines are too stretched with whatever happened at Reverie with Sabo and the Warlords to show up on Wano, especially since Wano isn't under their jurisdiction. It's CP-0 that are set up to play a role.
You've got to keep in mind that Kaido and Big Mom aren't the true inheritors of Rocks will. That's Blackbeard, who's literally going to be a bigger villain than both of them combined because, well, that's how story works. Escalating threat. So yeah, we might get a repeat of Gods Valley, but it'll be Blackbeard playing the role of Rocks, not these two.
Can't knock this tbf. With the exception of Lilin, her crew hasn't really had any real impact on the arc save the fact that the Big Mom pirates & the Beast Pirates have allied. But Oda might have decided not to focus on them that much given he already fleshed them out during the WCI arc.
IIRC when Drake gave the report to Coby, Luffy was most likely still on Udon. I'm gonna guess that it was the day that the alliance was decided, so there were still a few days left till the raid at the time. We know Coby's going to Hancock's Island, so chances are that she hears about Luffy's situation from him and if Hancock gets to know that Luffy is captured and is in prison, and that Kaidou & Lilin have formed an alliance, she'd go to wano even if she has to swim there...lolz...Moreover we know that Hancock's ships can traverse the calm belt, so she might be able to traverse the seas a lot quicker than most pirates, so I don't think it's unlikely that she shows up on Wano.
With regards to the marines, they are not going to have a choice but to spare all the forces they can to Wano, I mean Drake being there in the first place is so they can counter situatons like this. Also I very much doubt that the Cp0 will be on the alliance side during this war. I can't think of any profitable reason for them to actively go against Kaidou and Lilin. If anything, they could also be antagonists this arc.
With regards to Teach being the one who inherited Rocks will, I don't disagree and chances are that he'd end up being one fulfilling Rocks ambitions (or rather attempting to..lolz) but I don't see how that plot point stops us from having Rocks 2.0 on Wano with Kaidou & Lilin. What made Rocks so dangerous was the sheer cummulative force they had as a crew and as strong as I think the BB pirates will be, I don't think they'd be able to match that. I think the Kaidou/Lilin alliance better suits that role but we'll see ^^.
IIRC when Drake gave the report to Coby, Luffy was most likely still on Udon. I'm gonna guess that it was the day that the alliance was decided, so there were still a few days left till the raid at the time. We know Coby's going to Hancock's Island, so chances are that she hears about Luffy's situation from him and if Hancock gets to know that Luffy is captured and is in prison, and that Kaidou & Lilin have formed an alliance, she'd go to wano even if she has to swim there...lolz...Moreover we know that Hancock's ships can traverse the calm belt, so she might be able to traverse the seas a lot quicker than most pirates, so I don't think it's unlikely that she shows up on Wano.
With regards to the marines, they are not going to have a choice but to spare all the forces they can to Wano, I mean Drake being there in the first place is so they can counter situatons like this. Also I very much doubt that the Cp0 will be on the alliance side during this war. I can't think of any profitable reason for them to actively go against Kaidou and Lilin. If anything, they could also be antagonists this arc.
With regards to Teach being the one who inherited Rocks will, I don't disagree and chances are that he'd end up being one fulfilling Rocks ambitions (or rather attempting to..lolz) but I don't see how that plot point stops us from having Rocks 2.0 on Wano with Kaidou & Lilin. What made Rocks so dangerous was the sheer cummulative force they had as a crew and as strong as I think the BB pirates will be, I don't think they'd be able to match that. I think the Kaidou/Lilin alliance better suits that role but we'll see ^^.
Well i will be going on a break so this my final list
Luffy, Law, Kid, Moria, Wevil vs Kaido
Zoro vs King
Sanji vs Queen
Dukes vs Jack
Drake, Killer, Hawkins, Kawamatsu, Izu, the weaker scabbards vs flying six and Appo
Ashura and Kyushiro + Strawhats + elite minks vs numbers
Kinemon vs Kanjuro
Xebeck Vs Garp
Luffy, Law, Kid, Moria, Wevil vs Kaido
Zoro vs King
Sanji vs Queen
Dukes vs Jack
Drake, Killer, Hawkins, Kawamatsu, Izu, the weaker scabbards vs flying six and Appo
Ashura and Kyushiro + Strawhats + elite minks vs numbers
Kinemon vs Kanjuro
Xebeck Vs Garp
No, the report from Drake happened the day before the raid. Chapter 955 finishes with the narrator giving us a box saying "one day before the raid." In 956 we go back in time a wee bit, then have a box saying "currently, at sea" and we cut back to the present with Coby heading to Hancock and talking to Drake.
They can travel the Calm Belts, but Wano is over the Red Line. She's not getting over Mariejois anymore, so she'd need to get to SA, get all bubbled up, go through FI, then to Wano. In a day. It just doesn't work.
I doubt that CP-0 will be friendly either, but they are the ones set up to have a role.
With regards to the Marines, we can only go with what they've said. And both the current and former Fleet Admiral have said they have no intentions of stepping in on Wano, despite knowing what's happening there with Kaido and BM. The two events of the Reverie have taken up all their resources, in areas where they actually have jurisdiction. The Marines do not like stepping on Yonko toes. Marineford only happened because Blackbeard gave them guy they thought would be the next Pirate King tied up in a nice little bow.
Mostly because Blackbeard's role as the inheritor of Rocks will is sort of redundant if we've already had the Gods Valley redux on Wano.
They can travel the Calm Belts, but Wano is over the Red Line. She's not getting over Mariejois anymore, so she'd need to get to SA, get all bubbled up, go through FI, then to Wano. In a day. It just doesn't work.
I doubt that CP-0 will be friendly either, but they are the ones set up to have a role.
With regards to the Marines, we can only go with what they've said. And both the current and former Fleet Admiral have said they have no intentions of stepping in on Wano, despite knowing what's happening there with Kaido and BM. The two events of the Reverie have taken up all their resources, in areas where they actually have jurisdiction. The Marines do not like stepping on Yonko toes. Marineford only happened because Blackbeard gave them guy they thought would be the next Pirate King tied up in a nice little bow.
Mostly because Blackbeard's role as the inheritor of Rocks will is sort of redundant if we've already had the Gods Valley redux on Wano.
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@True God Moe What's with your hatred on Zoro being even slightly above Sanji?