Future Events Wano will mirror Dressrosa. Luffy/Law vs. the boss, Zoro vs. Top Tier Swordsman (Fuji/BM)
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Sanji just wasn't involved in any 1 vs 1 in that arc. If he were to fight in WCI, he would have fought Daifuku who slapped Pudding in front of him. And no one fought Daifuku
It's not. It's a possibility but not the most probable one. Sanji already clashed with King and King tried to kill him. Moreover Sanji has saved Momo who is apparently King's only interest right now.
King vs Sanji is more likely as for now
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It's not. It's a possibility but not the most probable one. Sanji already clashed with King and King tried to kill him. Moreover Sanji has saved Momo who is apparently King's only interest right now.
King vs Sanji is more likely as for now
Starting to think this is one massive bait thread.
If you hadn't noticed yet, all the editor's note did was repeat what happened in the chapter.
But when Oda tells it to you in black and white, you don't like it.
And when the editor's note essentially repeats what happened in the chapter, you still don't like it.
This kind of post is actually hilarious.
You try and limit the comparison to personalities to say he's a "Luffy type", but nobody is claiming Oden and Zoro have the same personality. They are different. It's not about who's like who and who mimics who, it's about the events that happened to Oden being essentially the same as what happened to Zoro.
They both notice a woman in danger.
They are both nursed by that same woman.
They both attempt to kill Orochi and fail.
(both of their two-sword style attacks get blocked immediately as well).
Then afterward, Oden figures out that the true enemy is Kaido and not Orochi.
Oden's goal becomes Kaido and so does Zoro's.
and then, the first attack Oden gets on Kaido, which is also the last part of the parallel (which Kaido himself is even hinting at) happens.
So if you just stopped trying to look at this as a who's like who and who acts like who kind of thing and focused on who DID what and who's DOING those same things, maybe you'd be able to see the connection between the two.
Is this to say Zoro is the only one who has inherited Oden's will? No
Just look at Luffy ffs, he literally has Oden's colour scheme while Zoro has his sword.
It's obvious what's going on but if you want to live in this delusional world where "Zoro has no connection to Oden" is a thing then I won't stop you.
It's not "sanjikun" from worstgen.alwaysdata.net who's gonna change what Oda is making clear as day in his writing.
Cheers.
If you hadn't noticed yet, all the editor's note did was repeat what happened in the chapter.
But when Oda tells it to you in black and white, you don't like it.
And when the editor's note essentially repeats what happened in the chapter, you still don't like it.
This kind of post is actually hilarious.
You try and limit the comparison to personalities to say he's a "Luffy type", but nobody is claiming Oden and Zoro have the same personality. They are different. It's not about who's like who and who mimics who, it's about the events that happened to Oden being essentially the same as what happened to Zoro.
They both notice a woman in danger.
They are both nursed by that same woman.
They both attempt to kill Orochi and fail.
(both of their two-sword style attacks get blocked immediately as well).
Then afterward, Oden figures out that the true enemy is Kaido and not Orochi.
Oden's goal becomes Kaido and so does Zoro's.
and then, the first attack Oden gets on Kaido, which is also the last part of the parallel (which Kaido himself is even hinting at) happens.
So if you just stopped trying to look at this as a who's like who and who acts like who kind of thing and focused on who DID what and who's DOING those same things, maybe you'd be able to see the connection between the two.
Is this to say Zoro is the only one who has inherited Oden's will? No
Just look at Luffy ffs, he literally has Oden's colour scheme while Zoro has his sword.
It's obvious what's going on but if you want to live in this delusional world where "Zoro has no connection to Oden" is a thing then I won't stop you.
It's not "sanjikun" from worstgen.alwaysdata.net who's gonna change what Oda is making clear as day in his writing.
Cheers.
Or the fact that the two swords that Zoro has had for the longest time were made by the same men who made Oden's swords. Why would Oda do that if there's not supposed to be any connection between the two? :zorothink:
Let's look at all the ways that Oda could have given Zoro a sword that emphasised a Shimotsuki connection, and had nothing to do with Oden.
-There's the most obvious one. He could have kept Shusui, and upgraded the Sandai to the Nidai. That way Zoro would be going into battle with the famous Shimotsuki sword, and little personal connection to Oden.
-He could have gave Zoro Yasu's sword. This would not have been difficult to write. Yasu and Zoro obviously connected during the arc. Before handing himself over for execution, Yasu could have handed over a famous family sword- I don't think anyone would question him being able to keep a sword hidden- to someone like the villagers, or even tie in Tenguyama to the plot, with the message that they had to give it to Zoro. Zoro then takes up the dead man's sword going into battle. Great vengeance story
-Much like the above, except with Ushimaru's sword. Say that Gyukimaru hid his old masters sword in the Ringo armoury. Have him then get Zoro to agree to swap Shusui for it.
Three easy ways Oda could have completely removed the Zoro/Oden connection while still giving him a new sword.
Now let's say, for a second, that the argument that Enma doesn't really have anything to do with Oden is right. It isn't, but let's imagine it is.
How on earth does that then lead to Zoro vs Big Mom?
Big Mom still has nothing to do with the Shimotsuki. Zoro's storyline, even without a Oden relationship, points to a confrontation with Kaido. Emphasise the Shimotsuki connection and what do you get? The most famous Shimotsuki; whose Zombie Zoro defeated in battle; whose sword Zoro used for years, fought a dragon over the Flower Capital. Kaido is the dragon, not Big Mom. Ushimaru? Killed in a war with Kaido. Yasu? Killed to protect the alliance aiming to defeat Kaido.
People might say "oh, what about Orochi", but we had the explicit statement from, I think, one of the Scabbards saying that Kaido has always been the real threat and Orochi wasn't anything more than a figurehead. Something emphasised by Kaido decaptiating Orochi when he ran out of use for him. And Orochi can't fight. He just isn't satisfying in any way as a final opponent for Zoro.
I'm seeing talk of King, and yeah, I'm actually more confident that Zoro fights Kaido than I am that he'll fight King. When this arc is over the end result, for the Strawhats, will be Luffy>Zoro>Sanji>Jinbei
I can certainly see a path for that to happen without Zoro vs King. I still expect the matchups to be Zoro vs King, Ssanji vs Queen, Jinbei vs Jack, with Zoro then being much more involved in the Kaido fight. But it could still go another way. Sanji vs King, Jinbei vs Queen, Zoro vs Jack where Zoro beats Jack quite easily then goes on to have a massive role in the fight against Kaido while the other two are done with the Calamities? Still ends up Luffy>Zoro>Sanji>Jinbei.
As for Law and Kid- yeah, they'll get their shot with Kaido. The story is leading to that, same as the story led to the Scabbards getting their shot. We will also get at the least one moment where the Luffy-Kid-Law trio are the ones focused on. But absolutely nothing points to Luffy, Kid and Law vs Kaido to the exclusion of all else. Zoro will be involved, a Scabbard (Kine'mon, likely) could hold out until the end, Yamato needs to have at least a conversation with her father, the other Worst Gen members could get some time attacking him as well.
But if you're reading Wano as a whole, it points to at some point Zoro vs Kaido happening in some form. The last two/three chapters where he's separated from the group heading up are irrelevant to the end result. Ten chapters ago the Alliance was split up and Orochi and Kaido were still in a team. Things can change fast.
-There's the most obvious one. He could have kept Shusui, and upgraded the Sandai to the Nidai. That way Zoro would be going into battle with the famous Shimotsuki sword, and little personal connection to Oden.
-He could have gave Zoro Yasu's sword. This would not have been difficult to write. Yasu and Zoro obviously connected during the arc. Before handing himself over for execution, Yasu could have handed over a famous family sword- I don't think anyone would question him being able to keep a sword hidden- to someone like the villagers, or even tie in Tenguyama to the plot, with the message that they had to give it to Zoro. Zoro then takes up the dead man's sword going into battle. Great vengeance story
-Much like the above, except with Ushimaru's sword. Say that Gyukimaru hid his old masters sword in the Ringo armoury. Have him then get Zoro to agree to swap Shusui for it.
Three easy ways Oda could have completely removed the Zoro/Oden connection while still giving him a new sword.
Now let's say, for a second, that the argument that Enma doesn't really have anything to do with Oden is right. It isn't, but let's imagine it is.
How on earth does that then lead to Zoro vs Big Mom?
Big Mom still has nothing to do with the Shimotsuki. Zoro's storyline, even without a Oden relationship, points to a confrontation with Kaido. Emphasise the Shimotsuki connection and what do you get? The most famous Shimotsuki; whose Zombie Zoro defeated in battle; whose sword Zoro used for years, fought a dragon over the Flower Capital. Kaido is the dragon, not Big Mom. Ushimaru? Killed in a war with Kaido. Yasu? Killed to protect the alliance aiming to defeat Kaido.
People might say "oh, what about Orochi", but we had the explicit statement from, I think, one of the Scabbards saying that Kaido has always been the real threat and Orochi wasn't anything more than a figurehead. Something emphasised by Kaido decaptiating Orochi when he ran out of use for him. And Orochi can't fight. He just isn't satisfying in any way as a final opponent for Zoro.
I'm seeing talk of King, and yeah, I'm actually more confident that Zoro fights Kaido than I am that he'll fight King. When this arc is over the end result, for the Strawhats, will be Luffy>Zoro>Sanji>Jinbei
I can certainly see a path for that to happen without Zoro vs King. I still expect the matchups to be Zoro vs King, Ssanji vs Queen, Jinbei vs Jack, with Zoro then being much more involved in the Kaido fight. But it could still go another way. Sanji vs King, Jinbei vs Queen, Zoro vs Jack where Zoro beats Jack quite easily then goes on to have a massive role in the fight against Kaido while the other two are done with the Calamities? Still ends up Luffy>Zoro>Sanji>Jinbei.
As for Law and Kid- yeah, they'll get their shot with Kaido. The story is leading to that, same as the story led to the Scabbards getting their shot. We will also get at the least one moment where the Luffy-Kid-Law trio are the ones focused on. But absolutely nothing points to Luffy, Kid and Law vs Kaido to the exclusion of all else. Zoro will be involved, a Scabbard (Kine'mon, likely) could hold out until the end, Yamato needs to have at least a conversation with her father, the other Worst Gen members could get some time attacking him as well.
But if you're reading Wano as a whole, it points to at some point Zoro vs Kaido happening in some form. The last two/three chapters where he's separated from the group heading up are irrelevant to the end result. Ten chapters ago the Alliance was split up and Orochi and Kaido were still in a team. Things can change fast.
"Zoro ain't fighting Kaido"
Me:
Then what is the whole purpose of Enma then?
Luffy, Kidd, Law, Zoro and every other Supernovas that are currently in Wano right now will fight Kaido. That's inevitable. For Big Mom, I guess Sanji and the other Strawhats will fight her but I doubt it.
Me:
Then what is the whole purpose of Enma then?
Luffy, Kidd, Law, Zoro and every other Supernovas that are currently in Wano right now will fight Kaido. That's inevitable. For Big Mom, I guess Sanji and the other Strawhats will fight her but I doubt it.
As for the "purpose" of it, it's for Zoro to turn it black, which clearly as fuck won't happen 2 weeks after he got it.
Yasuie's sword? Zoro needs a 21 grade Meito, like Wado Ichimonji, so once he turns it black, it'll be a supreme grade Meito.
God damn it, read the manga.
That panel you quoted... Do you see Kozaburo there or Oden' daughter? Unless you see Kozaburo, you should have proven yourself wrong. 
The Shimotsukis are vassals to the Kozuki, i.e. supporters/allied clan. They are NOT Kozukis, nor do they inherit their will.
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I'm talking about all the potential routes Oda could have went down to give Zoro a sword that had nothing to do with Oden but was heavily Shimotsuki focused.
Which he didn't, because he wants Zoro to have a sword that Oden wielded.
Now, going into Wano, did we have a list of every single Meito, their grade, who used them and who forged them?
No, we did not. Oda had left that a rather large blank slate. He could so very easily have written a situation where Yasu had a 21 grade Meito. That would not have been in the slightest surprising. No reader would have complained about one of the former daimyo having one. Ditto for Ushimaru. Going into Wano we only knew of three of the 21.
Instead, he specifically gave him Oden's sword. And you idiots are trying to say it's irrelevant that Oden used it and it's all about the one who made it? When Oda could so very easily have given Zoro a sword from Yasu or Ushimaru, or simply just kept Shusui and upgraded to the Nidai?
Try and use that head of yours a bit and actually think "why has Oda went this particular way? What alternatives did he have?"
And of course, the big question- what does it matter if Zoro is representing Oden or Shimotsuki? (The actual answer is both, and Wano as a whole) What do Oden and the famous Shimotsuki Ryuma both have in common?
Fighting a dragon in the defence of Wano.
Which he didn't, because he wants Zoro to have a sword that Oden wielded.
Now, going into Wano, did we have a list of every single Meito, their grade, who used them and who forged them?
No, we did not. Oda had left that a rather large blank slate. He could so very easily have written a situation where Yasu had a 21 grade Meito. That would not have been in the slightest surprising. No reader would have complained about one of the former daimyo having one. Ditto for Ushimaru. Going into Wano we only knew of three of the 21.
Instead, he specifically gave him Oden's sword. And you idiots are trying to say it's irrelevant that Oden used it and it's all about the one who made it? When Oda could so very easily have given Zoro a sword from Yasu or Ushimaru, or simply just kept Shusui and upgraded to the Nidai?
Try and use that head of yours a bit and actually think "why has Oda went this particular way? What alternatives did he have?"
And of course, the big question- what does it matter if Zoro is representing Oden or Shimotsuki? (The actual answer is both, and Wano as a whole) What do Oden and the famous Shimotsuki Ryuma both have in common?
Fighting a dragon in the defence of Wano.
Fun fact is there was no doubt he would want that, not after he heard about Oden's story and even undertook an haki training to improve his haki.
The desire kept fostering and there was no other concrete scenario but this one, specially when making Zoro train for King would not have made sense when he had already gotten Asura left to empower himself. So why making it overkill.
The desire kept fostering and there was no other concrete scenario but this one, specially when making Zoro train for King would not have made sense when he had already gotten Asura left to empower himself. So why making it overkill.
