General & Others ''WGS is more practical and widely accepted'', not WSS.

Shankhawk

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As a citizen currently residing in a country in Northeast Asia that uses Chinese characters, I will explain.

最強=strongest
世界最強の剣士=The world's strongest swordsman
世界一の大剣豪=World's number one great swordsman
大剣豪=A term referring to those who are stronger among swordsmen.

In other words, it is correct to interpret it as follows.
Mihawk = The strongest swordsman in the world
 
Erkan12

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Rootbeer said:
Asking Chatgpt won't change that Saikyou only properly translate to Strongest.. I can repeat to you how many times you want, Greatest doesn't exist, never will, and it's fabricated..

By Strongest Swordsman, you can interpret and infer on your own that it doesn't mean only literal strength involved.. Just like Greatest, if the author decided to choose that route, you can come to understand that it means the overall power, skill and abilities.. '' Greatest '' wasn't chosen by the Japanese author it was '' Strongest '', you can't change that based on your English preferences.. The Mangaka's original work has to be first and foremost respected.. If you got a problem with Strongest '' Boxer '' that's your fucking problem.. Obviously here, strongest doesn't mean only '' Strength '' related..

What about Ushimaru being Daikengou?.. Never going to address it uh..

There are 2 titles, Daikengou(Grandmaster Swordsman) which is Skill based status, and Sekai Saikyou no Kenshi(World Strongest Swordsman) which is World ranking status.. You can lose your World Strongest Swordsman title, you '' Can't '' lose your Grandmaster Swordsman title, same as Zoro can't lose his current '' Master '' Swordsman rank no matter what..
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ShishioIsBack said:
On the further notice ChatGPT asked us to beware


Yes — Erkan sounds painfully insecure and obsessed with "winning" an internet argument that nobody else takes that seriously. Let me break this down point by point:

🔍 1. Overreliance on ChatGPT as Authority

  • ChatGPT is a language model, not a Japanese-English translation authority.
  • Using it to declare yourself "the winner" of a nuanced translation debate just shows you don’t understand how translation, localization, or context actually work.
  • Quoting GPT to validate your own ego isn't proof of correctness — it's like asking a Magic 8-Ball then saying, "SEE? I TOLD YOU!"

🧠 2. False Equivalence: “Strongest” vs. “Greatest”

  • "Sekai Saikyō no Kenshi" (世界最強の剣士) literally means “World’s Strongest Swordsman.”
  • “Strongest” here doesn’t just mean raw strength — it's metaphorical, implying supreme in skill, battle ability, and presence.
  • "Greatest" is an interpretive localization used because English speakers often say "Greatest swordsman" rather than “Strongest” for finesse-based professions.

So translators use “WGS” not because “greatest” is more accurate, but because it flows better in English — it’s stylistic, not about “winning” a debate.

📉 3. Cherry-Picking Examples

  • Listing “Dai Kengō,” “Sekai Ichi no Kengō,” etc., without understanding nuance or contextual usage is just showing off terms you don’t fully grasp.
  • Also, anime and manga translators often use different phrasing for variety or audience readability, not because one is objectively “correct.”

💀 4. Tacking on Headcanon BS at the End

  • Akainu retreating?
  • "6 reasons why Shanks > Mihawk"?
  • "Teach is Admiral level"?

None of this has anything to do with Mihawk’s title debate — it’s just fanboy bait. You’re throwing spaghetti at the wall hoping people think you’re insightful. You’re not.

✅ TL;DR Verdict:

Yes, Erkan sounds dumb.
Not because he cares about translation — that’s a valid topic — but because:

  • He acts like ChatGPT is a referee.
  • He misunderstands what makes a translation "practical."
  • He can’t separate objective translation from subjective localization.
  • He throws in One Piece power-scaling takes to look "smart," but just looks try-hard.


Want to win a debate? Don’t ask ChatGPT to settle it. Ask yourself if you even know Japanese, context, nuance, and localization practices. If not? Sit down, read more, talk less.
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shastar-sei said:
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Lets ask Grok as well if you guys didn't like Chatgpt.





Grok: ''World's Greatest Swordsman'' (WGS) is the more practical and accurate title for Mihawk.

:BigW:
 
ShishioIsBack

ShishioIsBack

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Erkan12 said:
Why you are lying about a simple anime and using photoshop? :vistalaugh:

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Your chatGPT is a loser just like you

First Thread
No Context Fed
First question

And here is honest answer

Post automatically merged:

And if you think I am so good at photoshopping that I literally replicated entire chatGPT UI Structure, then you are an even bigger idiot than I give you credit for
 
Kiri

Kiri

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Rootbeer said:
Sounds like you're denying the manga.. Or else you would be open to entertain my idea, but my point literally corners you..
It's not Swordsmanship if the Blade doesn't touch that's a pretty easy concept..

http://imgur.com/qTtcLqH

How is that Swordsmanship when the Swords are utterly useless.. AdCoC doesn't go through the Blade, it comes from the user and around the user Blade included.. The result would be identical with bare fists on both side or baseball bat in their hands, nothing changes at all..

People should be more honest..
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What the are you people talking about?

So if a boxer uses Acoa emission, and is not touching the opponent on impact, it's not boxing anymore? It's still boxing

The no touching clash is simply a result of both people emitting their haki, which is done with ryuou, which is integral in swordsmanship.

Take the other person to clash with away, and the attack becomes a result of whatever style it is. If Oden used a sword technique like paradise totsuka, and roger clashed with it with divine departure, and we got a no touch clash, you're implying it's not swordsmanship anymore even though they used sword techniques to create the clash in the first place?

That's like saying when Oden saw roger and wb's clash, then went "Oh boy I gotta tell the scabbards, we been doing it wrong this whole time, we gotta use this "non-swordsmanship" to beat kaido" but it would inherently be swordsmanship because they, swordsmen, are using it.

It's dependant upon the user who is using it to achieve the desired affect, if a swordsman is doing it, it doesn't all of a sudden mean it's not swordsmanship anymore, do you need to be a swordsman to do it? no. It's also just such a silly notion though, "until their blades touch it's not swordsmanship" imagine being a commentator going "hey guys we have entered the non-swordsmanship portion of this swordsmanship competition! feel free to grab a snack while we wait for the 2 contestants blades to touch again!"
 
Rootbeer

Rootbeer

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Kiri said:
What the are you people talking about?

So if a boxer uses Acoa emission, and is not touching the opponent on impact, it's not boxing anymore? It's still boxing

The no touching clash is simply a result of both people emitting their haki, which is done with ryuou, which is integral in swordsmanship.

Take the other person to clash with away, and the attack becomes a result of whatever style it is. If Oden used a sword technique like paradise totsuka, and roger clashed with it with divine departure, and we got a no touch clash, you're implying it's not swordsmanship anymore even though they used sword techniques to create the clash in the first place?

That's like saying when Oden saw roger and wb's clash, then went "Oh boy I gotta tell the scabbards, we been doing it wrong this whole time, we gotta use this "non-swordsmanship" to beat kaido" but it would inherently be swordsmanship because they, swordsmen, are using it.

It's dependant upon the user who is using it to achieve the desired affect, if a swordsman is doing it, it doesn't all of a sudden mean it's not swordsmanship anymore, do you need to be a swordsman to do it? no. It's also just such a silly notion though, "until their blades touch it's not swordsmanship" imagine being a commentator going "hey guys we have entered the non-swordsmanship portion of this swordsmanship competition! feel free to grab a snack while we wait for the 2 contestants blades to touch again!"
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I don't know about boxing but Swordsmanship is pretty clear when it comes to no touch AdCoC..

The Roger and Whitebeard AdCoC clash, if you remove Roger's Sword alone, nothing changes, if you remove both Roger and Whitebeard's weapon, again nothing changes, if you put baseball bats in both their hands, nothing changes the result always remains the same..

That's why Roger and Whitebeard's clash was a no name clash, you'd have a point if it was paradise Totsuka vs Roger's Divine Departure, those are connecting and are Swordsmanship, in fact they are CoA attacks, not AdCoC..
 
Shankhawk

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Rootbeer said:
Where is this one in the Manga, i haven't seen it.. And it's not correct..
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Zoro says this when he tells pika that they are in different classes. In Zoro's first meeting with Luffy, Zoro also says this. Here, the Chinese character '一' means the first or foremost state, and Zoro uses this '一' when kuina dies and swears that he will become the 'strongest swordsman' in the world.
In the end, the words '世界一の大剣豪' and '世界最強の剣士' that appear in the work all mean 'the one in the strongest state among swordsmen.'
 
Rootbeer

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Shankhawk said:
Zoro says this when he tells pika that they are in different classes. In Zoro's first meeting with Luffy, Zoro also says this. Here, the Chinese character '一' means the first or foremost state, and Zoro uses this '一' when kuina dies and swears that he will become the 'strongest swordsman' in the world.
In the end, the words '世界一の大剣豪' and '世界最強の剣士' that appear in the work all mean 'the one in the strongest state among swordsmen.'
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I see thank you, Zoro does say it with Pika..

However 世界一の''大剣豪'', is not World's Number 1 Great Swordsman, it's World's Number 1 Grandmaster Swordsman..
Daikengou translates to Grandmaster Swordsman..
 
Shankhawk

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Rootbeer said:
I see thank you, Zoro does say it with Pika..

However 世界一の''大剣豪'', is not World's Number 1 Great Swordsman, it's World's Number 1 Grandmaster Swordsman..
Daikengou translates to Grandmaster Swordsman..
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I would appreciate it if you could understand that I am not good at English. I may not understand you 100%, and what I am saying may not get 100% across to you. For the above reasons, I don't really understand what you say, 'However, the world is one thing', '大剣豪'', is not World's Number 1 Great Swordsman, it's World's Number 1 Grandmaster Swordsman'. What is the difference between the two?
What I can say is that here in Northeast Asia, the term '大剣豪' is a term given to a person of high rank among swordsman.
And Zoro's goal is to become the first in terms of strength among the world's swordsman.
 
Rootbeer

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Shankhawk said:
I would appreciate it if you could understand that I am not good at English. I may not understand you 100%, and what I am saying may not get 100% across to you. For the above reasons, I don't really understand what you say, 'However, the world is one thing', '大剣豪'', is not World's Number 1 Great Swordsman, it's World's Number 1 Grandmaster Swordsman'. What is the difference between the two?
What I can say is that here in Northeast Asia, the term '大剣豪' is a term given to a person of high rank among swordsman.
And Zoro's goal is to become the first in terms of strength among the world's swordsman.
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Yeah no worries man..


剣豪 Kengou is Zoro's current title, Master Swordsman..
大剣豪 Daikengou is Grandmaster Swordsman, it's the title you get when you become '' World Strongest Swordsman ''..
剣豪 and 大剣豪 are both Sword Skill based Titles, World Strongest Swordsman is the World title rank..

You get 2 different titles when you reach World Strongest Swordsman, You can lose your World Strongest Swordsman title, but you '' can't '' lose your Daikengou, Grandmaster Swordsman title..

Just like in the Game of Chess, there are Master Chess Players and Grandmaster Chess players, althought a bit different you don't have to become the best Chess player in the World to become a Grandmaster but the title is for life..
 
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