General & Others ''WGS is more practical and widely accepted'', not WSS.

[Kiri]

I don't know about boxing but Swordsmanship is pretty clear when it comes to no touch AdCoC..

The Roger and Whitebeard AdCoC clash, if you remove Roger's Sword alone, nothing changes, if you remove both Roger and Whitebeard's weapon, again nothing changes, if you put baseball bats in both their hands, nothing changes the result always remains the same..

That's why Roger and Whitebeard's clash was a no name clash, you'd have a point if it was paradise Totsuka vs Roger's Divine Departure, those are connecting and are Swordsmanship, in fact they are CoA attacks, not AdCoC..

"I don't know about boxing but Swordsmanship is pretty clear when it comes to no touch AdCoC.. " point went over your head, that was an example of a martial art, just like swordsmanship

"if you put baseball bats in both their hands, nothing changes the result always remains the same.. " nah those baseball bats break, they can't handle theweight/might of their haki, supreme grade blades can though. you're just repeating yourself though so I'm not gonna bother re-explaining in a circular argument

" you'd have a point if it was paradise Totsuka vs Roger's Divine Departure, those are connecting and are Swordsmanship, in fact they are CoA attacks, not AdCoC.. " you're acting like you couldn't use adcoc with those moves? that's the example i gave you but you seem to just ignore it for your convenience.

if two people coat a barrier around their sword defensively like hyogoro explained, in order to not cut the opponent but create a shockwave instead (like with kamusari), what happens when they meet in contact?

I'm just seeing nonsensical lines of argumentation from you

 

[Rootbeer]

point went over your head, that was an example of a martial art, just like swordsmanship

It's not that it went over my head, it's getting away from my point.. Martial Art have nothing to substract whereas Swordsmanship you have an accessory in your hand, if you remove it and no touch AdCoC clash bare fist the result is identical.. The Sword is irrelevant..

nah those baseball bats break, they can't handle theweight/might of their haki, supreme grade blades can though. you're just repeating yourself though so I'm not gonna bother re-explaining in a circular argument

I don't think they would, but lets say they would, replace the Swords with Hassaikai and Takeru, it's the same outcome that's my argument.. It's not Swordsmanship if Blades can't distinguish themself from other weapons or weaponless..

you're acting like you couldn't use adcoc with those moves? that's the example i gave you but you seem to just ignore it for your convenience.

Cause you're moving goalpost to '' named '' attacks when my example is a no name no touch AdCoC clash.. But you're right if they were named attacks it would most likely be Swordsmanship..

if two people coat a barrier around their sword defensively like hyogoro explained, in order to not cut the opponent but create a shockwave instead (like with kamusari), what happens when they meet in contact?

Well CoA Barrier has not been shown to exist for Swordsmen, that's a CoA skill for non weapon users, if you can direct me to an instance where CoA Barrier is used around a Blade i will debate it and try to refute it.. Haki Swordsmanship path diverge quite a bit from the main Haki path..

 

[Kiri]

It's not that it went over my head, it's getting away from my point.. Martial Art have nothing to substract whereas Swordsmanship you have an accessory in your hand, if you remove it and no touch AdCoC clash bare fist the result is identical.. The Sword is irrelevant..


I don't think they would, but lets say they would, replace the Swords with Hassaikai and Takeru, it's the same outcome that's my argument.. It's not Swordsmanship if Blades can't distinguish themself from other weapons or weaponless..

Cause you're moving goalpost to '' named '' attacks when my example is a no name no touch AdCoC clash.. But you're right if they were named attacks it would most likely be Swordsmanship..


Well CoA Barrier has not been shown to exist for Swordsmen, that's a CoA skill for non weapon users, if you can direct me to an instance where CoA Barrier is used around a Blade i will debate it and try to refute it.. Haki Swordsmanship path diverge quite a bit from the main Haki path..

"Well CoA Barrier has not been shown to exist for Swordsmen"

"if you can direct me to an instance where CoA Barrier is used around a Blade i will debate it and try to refute it.. " alright these statements just show me you're admitting to being closed minded, to being locked into a position for whatever reason. Because you don't want it to be related to swordsmanship or the path of swordsmanship as you describe

But I also want to address something in these spoilers coming up, in relation to a clash we already saw, theres been 3 instances now of this happening and it's all very similar, and it can definitely answer your asking of coa barriers, until then

 

[Rootbeer]

"Well CoA Barrier has not been shown to exist for Swordsmen"

"if you can direct me to an instance where CoA Barrier is used around a Blade i will debate it and try to refute it.. " alright these statements just show me you're admitting to being closed minded, to being locked into a position for whatever reason. Because you don't want it to be related to swordsmanship or the path of swordsmanship as you describe

But I also want to address something in these spoilers coming up, in relation to a clash we already saw, theres been 3 instances now of this happening and it's all very similar, and it can definitely answer your asking of coa barriers, until then

My goal isn't to be close minded, it's just i went over this subject with Zoro fans before.. I'm not aware of CoA Barrier being used on Swords..

There's King blowing himself up and Zoro say he put up his armament just in time.. He just Hardened his Blades as usual..
Fishman Island, Zoro states to Hyouzou he let him escape his '' Barrier '', but that was referring to his CoO..
On the rooftop against Hakai, Zoro just used base CoA on his Blade to block really briefly the attack.. It wasn't CoA Barrier, base CoA Haki grasp the whole attack just the same way as base CoA grasps the whole Body of a Logia.. Aside these 3 examples, i don't remember but there were others i think..

I'm not aware of what you're trying to imply for the latter part..

 

[DonWick]

Worlds Strongest Swordsman, Worlds Greatest Swordsman, Blackbladed Swordsman, RED HAIR IN FIVE

 

[Guymieux]

My goal isn't to be close minded, it's just i went over this subject with Zoro fans before.. I'm not aware of CoA Barrier being used on Swords..

There's King blowing himself up and Zoro say he put up his armament just in time.. He just Hardened his Blades as usual..
Fishman Island, Zoro states to Hyouzou he let him escape his '' Barrier '', but that was referring to his CoO..
On the rooftop against Hakai, Zoro just used base CoA on his Blade to block really briefly the attack.. It wasn't CoA Barrier, base CoA Haki grasp the whole attack just the same way as base CoA grasps the whole Body of a Logia.. Aside these 3 examples, i don't remember but there were others i think..

I'm not aware of what you're trying to imply for the latter part..

Why would zoro hardening his blades save him from an explosion he was engulfed in you idiot

 

[Rootbeer]

Why would zoro hardening his blades save him from an explosion he was engulfed in you idiot

He wasn't engulfed, using CoA on his Blades grasped most of the side of the explosion where Zoro was and it pushed him away as it exploded..

 

[Kurozumi mugiwara44]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Piratefolk/comments/1jlll5n

 

[Guymieux]

He wasn't engulfed, using CoA on his Blades grasped most of the side of the explosion where Zoro was and it pushed him away as it exploded..

In root beer piece right

 

[Rootbeer]

In root beer piece right

In Guymieux piece, Zoro is engulfed by the explosion and use magic CoA Barrier all around him that he has never trained for or no flashback of..

 

[Guymieux]

In Guymieux piece, Zoro is engulfed by the explosion and use magic CoA Barrier all around him that he has never trained for or no flashback of..

The explanation for barrier haki luffy was given in udon is the same thing that allowed Zoro to cut mr 1 . This is a manga fact and not your diverging converging autistic nonsense

 

[sanjikun]

Since pro translators aren't accepted now, lets ask Chatgpt;

WB's title:

Chapgpt: Sekai Saikyo no Otoko: WSM.

I asked what is Mihawk's title with 2 different questions;

First Question - What is the title of Mihawk from One Piece?

Chatgpt: Sekai Saikyo no Kenshi: WGS.


Second Question - Which title Dracule Mihawk has?

WGS again.

Now, lets ask Chatgpt:

--Which is more practical to say ''greatest swordsman'' or ''strongest swordsman''? --

Chatgpt: ''WGS is generally more practical and widely accepted.''

EDIT: If you guys don't like Chatgpt, then lets ask Grok:

Grok: ''World's Greatest Swordsman'' (WGS) is the more practical and accurate title for Mihawk.

Lets see what both Manga and Anime pro Japanese-English translators chose;

This info box says ''Saikyo Kenshi'', yet pro Japanese-English manga translator translated as WGS;

In Anime, they clearly say ''Saikyo Kenshi'', Anime pro Japanese-English translator translated as WGS;

-0:35- in the video.

WGS.

Now, there are also different names for the same 1 title; Dai Kengou;

-1:32 in the video-

WGS.

Or Sekai Ichi no Kengo;

-2:06 in the video-

WGS.

Other Manga translators;

Spoiler

3 different names for 1 same title;
- Dai Kengo
- Sekai Ichi no Kengo
- Sekai Saikyo no Kenshi

The most common usage between all these 3 names is WGS. Its that simple.

Why its a discussed topic?

Simply because people using google translate logic and not thinking about how to translate properly in English language.

In English, difference between WB's title and Mihawk's title is clear. WB's title is for superior power level related title, thus ''strongest'' is suitable.

But for Mihawk, swordsmanship related only title. Its a specific proficient, thus just like people don't say ''strongest marksman'' or ''strongest boxer'', they say ''greatest'', its the same for swordsmanship.

• Chatgpt : ''WGS is generally more practical and widely accepted.''
• Grok: ''WGS is the more practical and accurate title for Mihawk. ''

The winner is declared, which is me.

Saikyo is strongest. This is not up for discussion. "Kyo" is the Chinese reading of "Tsuyoi" which every anime watcher should know.

 

[Rootbeer]

The explanation for barrier haki luffy was given in udon is the same thing that allowed Zoro to cut mr 1 . This is a manga fact and not your diverging converging autistic nonsense

Zoro cut Mr. 1 with Barrier Haki?.. What kind of bogus take is that..

Flowing ryuo into a Blade and outside of a fist isn't the same.. Flowing CoA into a Blade is like CoA internal Destruction with having concentrated your Haki first, so it doesn't destroy internally, it just flows in objects.. That's not CoA Barrier..

 

[Guymieux]

Zoro cut Mr. 1 with Barrier Haki?.. What kind of bogus take is that..

Flowing ryuo into a Blade and outside of a fist isn't the same.. Flowing CoA into a Blade is like CoA internal Destruction with having concentrated your Haki first, so it doesn't destroy internally, it just flows in objects.. That's not CoA Barrier..

Lol so why would the sword not cut the leaf obviously because the swordsman put a barrier on it . Duh that’s what causes blunt attacks form a swordsman .

 

[zzShinichi]

The irony of this bitch is that it's his favourite's dad is the one who debunked all this bullshit

 

[Rootbeer]

Lol so why would the sword not cut the leaf obviously because the swordsman put a barrier on it . Duh that’s what causes blunt attacks form a swordsman .

You realize Barrier is a mass of concentrated base CoA in the air.. Zoro's Blade touched the leaf, if it was CoA Barrier it would have pushed the leaf but not touched it physically..

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Grok: ''World's Greatest Swordsman'' (WGS) is the more practical and accurate title for Mihawk.

Yonko fans telling on themselves treating Mecha Hitler like a credible source. Lol

 

[Guymieux]

You realize Barrier is a mass of concentrated base CoA in the air.. Zoro's Blade touched the leaf, if it was CoA Barrier it would have pushed the leaf but not touched it physically..

That’s what it did you idiot if it had touched it it would have cut it . Are you that fucking dense ?

 

[Rootbeer]

That’s what it did you idiot if it had touched it it would have cut it . Are you that fucking dense ?

The Blade literally touches the Leaf.. CoA Barrier wouldn't touch the leaf and there would lines drawn all around..

The Yellow colored spikes means Zoro made physical contact..

First time i see someone make such non sense argument..

 

[Guymieux]

The Blade literally touches the Leaf.. CoA Barrier wouldn't touch the leaf and there would lines drawn all around..

The Yellow colored spikes means Zoro made physical contact..

First time i see someone make such non sense argument..

If the sword touch the leaf it’d be cut you moron . The exact barrier cos you’re showing was taught to luffy by old man hyo who explained it word for word using what zoros showing against the leaf you dickhead . Argue with Oda