Chapter Discussion WGS title once again confirmed to be mainly ''SKILL'' based

[humanbeing2022]

Shanks greatest power is his CoC haki not his sword. He can force an admiral out of his in logia DF form and makes him feel pain even he was miles away. Kai do for example is a good CoC haki as he is able to coat his Kanabo with it but he is no where close to Shanks in using CoC haki.
So Mihawk is for sure a CoC user but no way he can use it like Shanks. It is just there are many who has CoC haki but only three confirmed CoC specialists those are Roger Shanks and Luffy.
Mihawk can use the sword better than Shanks but that is not even close to make him as powerful as Shanks.

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Shanks greatest power is his CoC haki not his sword. He can force an admiral out of his in logia DF form and makes him feel pain even he was miles away. Kai do for example is a good CoC haki as he is able to coat his Kanabo with it but he is no where close to Shanks in using CoC haki.
So Mihawk is for sure a CoC user but no way he can use it like Shanks. It is just there are many who has CoC haki but only three confirmed CoC specialists those are Roger Shanks and Luffy.
Mihawk can use the sword better than Shanks but that is not even close to make him as powerful as Shanks.

If he was like Shanks he would not have to move because of the marines because he will just have to use his haki to knock even VAs before they enter the island

 

[gz89]

Shanks greatest power is his CoC haki not his sword. He can force an admiral out of his in logia DF form and makes him feel pain even he was miles away

Zoro did the same to a Logia user in PH without even CoC. I am willing to bet Mihawk would do the same to a top tier.

 

[uyuu]

That's just me pointing out those aren't actual arguments.



Show me an Admiral dealing with Mihawk.



It is irrelevant. Not having panels of Aokiji doing X or Y at Mihawk's presence literally does nothing to prove your point. You're just making up rules, meaning you have fake arguments.

Vista stalled Mihawk while laughing. Akainu was being stalled by WB Commanders. Akainu feared Shanks' haki. Your denial is irrelevant since top fighters didnt even include Mihawk in their praise but they include Shanks. You saying me making up rules when your thinking is that the WSS is guaranteed a win against weaker swordsman using a better weapon, is the root of making rules up.

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But he has no attacks that are canonically proven to be like Law's or BM's or to anything. No direct combat attacks that he can't utilize with his blade or are proven to be irrelevant to swords or stronger without sword than with sword, etc.

Even if we for a moment pretend World's STRONGEST swordsman doesn't mean you can defeat all other swordsmen, it's just your personal opinion that Shanks has far more when it comes to direct combat.

Ikkoku is a swordsmanship blast. Zoro can form blue dragons out of swordsmanship. Kinemon and Brook attack with fire and ice. Why is Shanks using a fire dragon attack WITH HIS SWORD a big deal?

And as far as title debate goes, if WSC is being stronger and being able to beat any creature, then WSS is being stronger than and being able to beat any swordsman. There has not been a single instance in Manga where WSS was limited to certain techniques to begin with. It's being strongest among all swordsmen.



That's your personal interpretation that almost every neutral wouldn't agree with. Shanks never stunned GB nor did he cancel his DF abilities. Did GB say he couldn't move? No. Did GB say he can't use his DF anymore? No. He was just shook

Hell, you know who canonically DID stun someone?

And afterward, Monet was canonically stated to not be able to use her logia properly, too, which was never the case with GB.

So are you going to say Zoro has same abilities? Ofc, on a lesser scale, as GB >>>> Monet.

You're looking way too much into it. Shanks didn't send a DF nullifying, stun-locking beam lol. He just flared his CoC and made GB shook. Just like how Zoro made Monet too shook.

Well Kaidou has both CoC infusion + DF, him remembering Shanks over anyone else in powerlevel should mean Shanks has CoC infusion as bare minimum, which doesn't need a sword to do. Whether Shanks+sword > Shanks without sword doesn't even matter, when Shanks' haki is more powerful than his sword or swordsmanship, than Shanks' overall powerlevel cant be judged just as a swordsman.

If Kidd can win against Zoro due to him taking Zoro's swords away and slash Zoro using it, Kidd is not a better swordsman than Zoro. If Shanks break Yoru using his blue haki beam whatever like in Film Red, Shanks is not WSS. Thats just how things work. I view Mihawk stronger than many others not just because he is the WSS, since no title alone can guarantee a win without feats as proof. And moreover WSS is about swordsmanship while Roger the PK and Shanks the Mentor are all praised in the manga about haki rather than them being swordsmen.

If you bring Zoro's treatment to Monet imo you should stop, you're just gonna make me place Shanks even higher than Mihawk compared to now. Shanks made an Admiral nervous due to powerlevel difference from miles away, something Zoro did to Monet in front of her. While Vista was laughing at Mihawk while they fought directly, clashing swords and all.

And finally, you say Shanks has far more when it comes to direct combat. I didn't mention it anywhere. Just because i think Shanks is stronger than Mihawk, you think i view Shanks can beat Mihawk without being serious or something?

 

[Herrera95]

Haki is also a skill. Stated by Kaido at 1013 mocking Luffy skill with CoC coating.

 

[humanbeing2022]

Zoro did the same to a Logia user in PH without even CoC. I am willing to bet Mihawk would do the same to a top tier.

i am not arguing about Mihawk being "top tier", top tier are the Yonko and admirals but there is huge difference between them. GB did say he would not have come if Kaido were there , and Shanks intimidated him from miles away , and it is obvious that Shanks has far better CoC than Kaido. when it came to the rivalry between Shanks and Mihawk it was always about swordsmanship skills. Shanks and Mihawk didn't fight for more than a decade , and at that time he was merely 1B bounty. it is about skills and maybe some coating haki , it can be armament and can CoC haki but Shanks doesn't seem to use his CoC haki in such way , he for sure channels haki through his sword , but that is not a swordsmanship skill , he could as well do it with his fist. at the end of the day Shanks' power was always about CoC haki.
even in the new movie , it was said that even red admirals faint because of it.
but some like BM , Kaido , Sengoku , WB and whatever they can use it only in a limited way. it is not their main power in battles.

 

[zzShinichi]

i am not arguing about Mihawk being "top tier", top tier are the Yonko and admirals but there is huge difference between them. GB did say he would not have come if Kaido were there , and Shanks intimidated him from miles away , and it is obvious that Shanks has far better CoC than Kaido. when it came to the rivalry between Shanks and Mihawk it was always about swordsmanship skills. Shanks and Mihawk didn't fight for more than a decade , and at that time he was merely 1B bounty. it is about skills and maybe some coating haki , it can be armament and can CoC haki but Shanks doesn't seem to use his CoC haki in such way , he for sure channels haki through his sword , but that is not a swordsmanship skill , he could as well do it with his fist. at the end of the day Shanks' power was always about CoC haki.
even in the new movie , it was said that even red admirals faint because of it.
but some like BM , Kaido , Sengoku , WB and whatever they can use it only in a limited way. it is not their main power in battles.

and it is obvious that Shanks has far better CoC than Kaido.
And yet Kaido is still stronger overall.
Shanks is a swordman, no matter how strong his COC is, he will always be below the World Strongest Swordman, just like he's below The World Strongest Creature. Feels free to whine with Oda how titles are frauds. Dumbass

 

[gz89]

i am not arguing about Mihawk being "top tier", top tier are the Yonko and admirals but there is huge difference between them. GB did say he would not have come if Kaido were there , and Shanks intimidated him from miles away , and it is obvious that Shanks has far better CoC than Kaido. when it came to the rivalry between Shanks and Mihawk it was always about swordsmanship skills. Shanks and Mihawk didn't fight for more than a decade , and at that time he was merely 1B bounty. it is about skills and maybe some coating haki , it can be armament and can CoC haki but Shanks doesn't seem to use his CoC haki in such way , he for sure channels haki through his sword , but that is not a swordsmanship skill , he could as well do it with his fist. at the end of the day Shanks' power was always about CoC haki.
even in the new movie , it was said that even red admirals faint because of it.
but some like BM , Kaido , Sengoku , WB and whatever they can use it only in a limited way. it is not their main power in battles.

Your statement was that Shanks CoC scared the shit out of a Logia Admiral and i told you Zoro without even CoC who is levels below Mihawk did the same to a Logia user not that strong as an Admiral of course. These are the only 2 instances we know so far.

What was "said" in Film Red was cope from random users that Kizaru was scared and sweating, if you see the scene is nothing like this and its a MOVIE not the manga.

The thing about Shanks not channeling CoC is already debunked since Zoro won against King. The rest about "some coating haki" is just your headcanon.

 

[zzShinichi]

Shanks showed haki feats miles better than even Roger yet these dumbasses wouldn't DARE to say Shanks is stronger than Roger. Fucking pussy

 

[Tejas]

Shanks showed haki feats miles better than even Roger yet these dumbasses wouldn't DARE to say Shanks is stronger than Roger. Fucking pussy

Roger made clouds go away with haki. Shanks just split clouds.

 

[zzShinichi]

Roger made clouds go away with haki. Shanks just split clouds.

Oh yeah? Kaido also did like Roger and people still said Shanks' haki is still better.

 

[humanbeing2022]

and it is obvious that Shanks has far better CoC than Kaido.
And yet Kaido is still stronger overall.
Shanks is a swordman, no matter how strong his COC is, he will always be below the World Strongest Swordman, just like he's below The World Strongest Creature. Feels free to whine with Oda how titles are frauds. Dumbass

no he is not stronger , he just like Mihawk has a title , strongest creature.
it was always like that the next enemies of Luffy are stronger then that past ones. Kaido was merely the second strongest Yonko.
sure there is no creature who stronger than a dragon in one piece
and there is no a better swordsmann than Mihawk and even in skill Shanks is not far away but he has other powers , that even doesn't need him to have his both hand. Mihawk himself didn't seek battles with him anymore because swordsmanship are about fairness , Mihawk didn't fight with him because he has one arm more , like that Shanks would not use his other powers to fight Mihawk.
we will see anyway sooner or later how strong is Shanks.

 

[ThatMojaveCourier06]

Law isn't stronger than anything

Law 1 vs 1 is a bum

Laws last 1 vs 1 feat is VERGO


Everything Law has done since has been in a team with SNEAK ATTACKS
It means strongest swordsman in the world

Law could hurt Big Meme without ACoC.
Law helped take down Big Meme while Zoro could only manage to takedown a YC1.
Law > Zoro

 

[zzShinichi]

no he is not stronger , he just like Mihawk has a title , strongest creature.
it was always like that the next enemies of Luffy are stronger then that past ones. Kaido was merely the second strongest Yonko.
sure there is no creature who stronger than a dragon in one piece
and there is no a better swordsmann than Mihawk and even in skill Shanks is not far away but he has other powers , that even doesn't need him to have his both hand. Mihawk himself didn't seek battles with him anymore because swordsmanship are about fairness , Mihawk didn't fight with him because he has one arm more , like that Shanks would not use his other powers to fight Mihawk.
we will see anyway sooner or later how strong is Shanks.

Then we got nothing to talk about. Blatantly ignoring titles because it doesn't support your headcanon is not worth talking about.

 

[Pringles]

Haki is also a skill. Stated by Kaido at 1013 mocking Luffy skill with CoC coating.

- Law/Kid: awaken their devil fruit that is stronger than Luffy's
- Kaido: haki is what prevails at the end of the day
- Luffy: my fruit awakening is not enough, I have to make a giant fist covered with all advanced forms of haki
- People on Worstgen: Mihawk is strongest swordsman so he's stronger than Shanks, even if Shanks has stronger haki

Mfers who say that Mihawk > Shanks can't argue against these 2 assumptions based on their flawed vision of things:
- Vista > Shanks because Mihawk = Vista in terms of swordsmanship
- If you are the strongest devil fruit user, you win against all devil fruit users, even if they have stronger haki

 

[zzShinichi]

- Law/Kid: awaken their devil fruit that is stronger than Luffy's

- People on Worstgen: Mihawk is strongest swordsman so he's stronger than Shanks, even if Shanks has stronger haki

- If you are the strongest devil fruit user, you win against all devil fruit users, even if they have stronger haki

Basically the same. If Whitebeard is the world Strongest Man, he will fuck you up even if you have stronger haki than him. If Kaidou is the word Strongest Creature, he will fuck you up even if you have stronger haki then him. Same with Swordman, if you are a swordman, Mihawk will fuck you up even if you have haki stronger than him. Potrayals matter. Or else Zoro who has shown Haki feats MILES ahead of Law and Kid is stronger than both of them but we know that's not the case.

 

[Tejas]

Oh yeah? Kaido also did like Roger and people still said Shanks' haki is still better.

Waido for a reason

 

[Herrera95]

- Law/Kid: awaken their devil fruit that is stronger than Luffy's
- Kaido: haki is what prevails at the end of the day
- Luffy: my fruit awakening is not enough, I have to make a giant fist covered with all advanced forms of haki
- People on Worstgen: Mihawk is strongest swordsman so he's stronger than Shanks, even if Shanks has stronger haki

Mfers who say that Mihawk > Shanks can't argue against these 2 assumptions based on their flawed vision of things:
- Vista > Shanks because Mihawk = Vista in terms of swordsmanship
- If you are the strongest devil fruit user, you win against all devil fruit users, even if they have stronger haki

What?

Law and Kid DF are not stronger than Luffy. WG doesn't give a damn about their DF but they are terrified about Luffy's.

Kaido said that but he lost to Luffy anyway.

Luffy never said his awakening wasn't enough. His ultimate has CoA and CoC coating, we don't know a shit about having internal damage and future sight.

Mihawk is the strongest swordsman, if his haki is stronger or not than Shanks that's up to Oda. Any how Mihawk is stronger.

Vista is not stronger than Shanks not even equal Mihawk. That was a bullshit databook spitting nonsense for stupid fans to believe. Vista is stronger enough to handle Mihawk for some time but that doesn't puts him at his level. Even Luffy was handling Kaido for sometime before his multiple power ups. And Ulti did the same with Luffy.

Luffy won against Crocodile. Luffy DF without awakening is shitty compared to Crocodile DF since Luffy didn't even had haki at time. And we have people like Roger who is a top tier without DF so that assumption is pure bullshit.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Vista stalled Mihawk while laughing.

The Vista excuse? Really?

Akainu was being stalled by WB Commanders. Akainu feared Shanks' haki.

These prove Mihawk being weaker than Shanks how?

Your denial is irrelevant since top fighters didnt even include Mihawk in their praise but they include Shanks.

It's not denial if it was never true to begin with, and Kaido is including pirates he's interacted with, no shit Mihawk's not there.

You saying me making up rules

Yes, you are making up rules. You seem to think there needs to be panels of Mihawk making Akainu shit his pants in a war where he's not his enemy or Kaido specifying Haki to play coy about it being an entirely different fighting style when nowhere in the manga does it display this (in fact, Luffy BEATS Kaido WITH the same fighting style he's been using since chapter one).

when your thinking is that the WSS is guaranteed a win against weaker swordsman using a better weapon, is the root of making rules up.

World's Strongest Swordsman having a guaranteed win against a weaker swordsman is making up rules? If you think this is using my own logic against me, then you have some serious brain damage.

 

[Rootbeer]

The Vista excuse? Really?

Vista is stated to be a Sword Grandmaster in Databook Blue Deep..

 

[gz89]

Vista is stated to be a Sword Grandmaster in Databook Blue Deep..

And Shanks is nowhere stated to be hakiman or some other fighting style.