Speculations What if Doffy uses birdcage while staying outside of it?

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#41
Fujitora, maybe. Zoro and Kinemon? No..... The Birdcage was island sized. By Zoro's own admission, he couldn't use a flying slash against Pica because he said he was too far for it to be effective, so how's him or Kinemon going to cut down an Island wide cage, at 360 degrees?

Outside of the sheer size of the Birdcage, there is also the fact that Doflamingo can just re-attach the strings. Sure, they might have been able to cut down a small section off to the side, to allow for a few people to slip through, but the point was to save EVERYONE, which is why they opted to slow it down.
Who said they need to cut it all? Who said all of it needs to be cut in one attack? Does Fujitora even have flying slashes, lol?
Zoro is the one with the most cutting power among those 3 and all 3 should have 0 issues cutting the birdcage.
Birdcage is a passive ability, Doflamingo isnt re-attaching anything while being in fight with Law/Luffy...
 

Plex

Powerscaling Snob
#42
1) Hypothetically if Doffy can use birdcage while being on the outside of it instead of the inside, how would the crew in Dressrosa be able to defeat him?

2) Does being able to do that alone already makes him yonko level or +?
1) They wouldn't

2) low top tier, the BC is already one of the most powerful moves in the verse, allowing Doffy to operate it while outside would be too much...
 
#44
1- Fujitora would likely lift the earth its embedded in up to save everyone.

He was overtly passive because he wanted Luffy to succeed to push his agenda of the Marines being unable to help kingdoms that have been infiltrated/manipulated by Shichibukai. BUT if it came down to it he would have been able to handle the situations.

2 - Now as hax at the ability is im pretty sure advanced armament + conquerors would break the birdcage so no he's not yonko level by utilizing this tech in this way.
 

Finalbeta

Law Nerd
#45
Fujitora's justice is simply peculiar. Plus we cannot expect Oda to let Issho destroy the fun of the arc or kill Sabo and whatsover. It's understandable how he preferred to portray things in a particular way.
 
#46
Bring Morley, dig a very deep hole then come out on the other side.

Put WB inside, make a quake from afar, tsunami come, doffy drown.

Kizaru shoot laser from inside.

Zeus and prometheus fly outside, give some voltage to doffy.

Buggy just walk out of the cage freely.

Alot
:kayneshrug:
 
#47
Bring Morley, dig a very deep hole then come out on the other side.

Put WB inside, make a quake from afar, tsunami come, doffy drown.

Kizaru shoot laser from inside.

Zeus and prometheus fly outside, give some voltage to doffy.

Buggy just walk out of the cage freely.

Alot
:kayneshrug:
Alvida slips out

Kalifa makes the strings smooth and slips out too

Caribou turns into mud and slips out aswell

Gecko Moria’s shadow walks out then switches places with him

Birdcage really isn’t even all that...
 
#48
Who said they need to cut it all? Who said all of it needs to be cut in one attack? Does Fujitora even have flying slashes, lol?
Zoro is the one with the most cutting power among those 3 and all 3 should have 0 issues cutting the birdcage.
Birdcage is a passive ability, Doflamingo isnt re-attaching anything while being in fight with Law/Luffy...
So, the directionally challenged character, runs the entire circumference of a dozen mile long Island, and cuts the birdcage, in less than a half hour before it starts killing people?

And the guy who can control an entire nation worth of people with Parasite while in the middle of a fight, can't re-attach the cut strings of the birdcage?
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#51
So, the directionally challenged character, runs the entire circumference of a dozen mile long Island, and cuts the birdcage, in less than a half hour before it starts killing people?

And the guy who can control an entire nation worth of people with Parasite while in the middle of a fight, can't re-attach the cut strings of the birdcage?
Or that same guy cuts the Birdcage where he stands and people walk out right there and hug Zoro for saving them while doing so?
Show us how he is passively re-attaching strings. :myman:
 
S

Sasaki Kojirō

#58
First you need to argument before telling someone to reread the work.
"Kiku pierced KAIDO like a mat", first, understand, KIKU has ACOA, ACOA was created to ignore durability, cage wires ignore durability since when?

Secondly, even though piercing KAIDO as a mat, the sheath cuts were superficial damage, meaning superficial?

Even with a technique/skill, made exclusively to ignore durability, the attacks themselves are still ineffective, for better clarification I'll give you an example:
We have the skin of a hippopotamus, which is highly durable, and to combat this durability I learn a technique with a knife to ignore the durability, even with that the knife only superficially pierces the hippopotamus skin, even with the help of KINEMON, ASHURA AND DENJIROU, AND NEKO, helping me, which means that the hippo's skin is very resistant to the point that even with a proper technique for piercing, people can only penetrate superficially.

Now to the point, the cage doesn't have ACOA, doesn't have ADCOC in its strings, the cage hasn't even demonstrated the strength of breaking the weapons of marine fighters with basic COA, KAIDO's skin is > basic COA and ACOA and it can be recover/heal, in a matter of minutes of fatal wounds with ADCOC embedded in them, do you think the cage with mediocre cutting power will kill KAIDO? She can't even cut it.

"A super sharp and resistant cord"
That's just what the cage is.

A sharp sword without COA and ACOA is the same thing as this string,
KAIDO in the invasion chapter claimed that "your swords cannot hurt me".

Follow the list:

COA = Ineffective in KAIDO we saw this in the demo of G4 luffy versus KAIDO.


ACOA = Superficial damage to KAIDO, that's what Luffy himself said, after attacking KAIDO in his G4 form the entire time.

ADCOC: ADCOC is the best way to damage KAIDO, but mind you, not every attack performed by X will be at the level of a finisher like ASURA ZORO, which means that inferior attacks with ADCOC will be recovered by KAIDO in a matter of minutes, as KAIDO healed a wound deep enough to scar him in a matter of minutes, all while fighting another opponent who also had ADCOC.

So not even VERSE's greatest skill is fully effective on KAIDO, its recovery ability is surpassing ADCOC in a matter of minutes.
KAIDO can still fight ADCOC's blows at the level of ASURA ZORO with his incredible recovery and stamina.
COA = no damage.

ACOA = Damage that is closed/recovered in seconds OR minutes, KAIDO did this when he went into his dragon form versus the scabbard, he closed their blows in seconds.


ADCOC = minutes, it takes minutes, he closed ZORO's scar in 0~14 minutes and it might even have been earlier, we have no idea how long it took, but it was just MINUTES.

 
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#59
"Kiku pierced KAIDO like a mat", first, understand, KIKU has ACOA, ACOA was created to ignore durability, cage wires ignore durability since when?

Secondly, even though piercing KAIDO as a mat, the sheath cuts were superficial damage, meaning superficial?

Even with a technique/skill, made exclusively to ignore durability, the attacks themselves are still ineffective, for better clarification I'll give you an example:
We have the skin of a hippopotamus, which is highly durable, and to combat this durability I learn a technique with a knife to ignore the durability, even with that the knife only superficially pierces the hippopotamus skin, even with the help of KINEMON, ASHURA AND DENJIROU, AND NEKO, helping me, which means that the hippo's skin is very resistant to the point that even with a proper technique for piercing, people can only penetrate superficially.

Now to the point, the cage doesn't have ACOA, doesn't have ADCOC in its strings, the cage hasn't even demonstrated the strength of breaking the weapons of marine fighters with basic COA, KAIDO's skin is > basic COA and ACOA and it can be recover/heal, in a matter of minutes of fatal wounds with ADCOC embedded in them, do you think the cage with mediocre cutting power will kill KAIDO? She can't even cut it.

"A super sharp and resistant cord"
That's just what the cage is.

A sharp sword without COA and ACOA is the same thing as this string,
KAIDO in the invasion chapter claimed that "your swords cannot hurt me".

Follow the list:

COA = Ineffective in KAIDO we saw this in the demo of G4 luffy versus KAIDO.


ACOA = Superficial damage to KAIDO, that's what Luffy himself said, after attacking KAIDO in his G4 form the entire time.

ADCOC: ADCOC is the best way to damage KAIDO, but mind you, not every attack performed by X will be at the level of a finisher like ASURA ZORO, which means that inferior attacks with ADCOC will be recovered by KAIDO in a matter of minutes, as KAIDO healed a wound deep enough to scar him in a matter of minutes, all while fighting another opponent who also had ADCOC.

So not even VERSE's greatest skill is fully effective on KAIDO, its recovery ability is surpassing ADCOC in a matter of minutes.
KAIDO can still fight ADCOC's blows at the level of ASURA ZORO with his incredible recovery and stamina.
COA = no damage.

ACOA = Damage that is closed/recovered in seconds OR minutes, KAIDO did this when he went into his dragon form versus the scabbard, he closed their blows in seconds.


ADCOC = minutes, it takes minutes, he closed ZORO's scar in 0~14 minutes and it might even have been earlier, we have no idea how long it took, but it was just MINUTES.

A lot of headcannon coming from you. So far we don't know what the hell that cage is. So far we can only say it is pure DF. Just like Barrier Barrier No Mi. Remember that Oden himself couldn't cut it, and he can make a scar on Kaido and almost one-shot him.

Oda can literally at any time comeback with a flashback and say that both situations it users were using ACOA/ACOC or whatever bullshit he comes with.

Kiku and all Scabbards were never told to have ACOA. You don't know what ACOA is. Ryou is not ACOA. ACOA is internal damage, so far only Luffy and Rayleigh are confirmed to have it. Rayleigh when breaking collars, Luffy when breaking collars and using Red Rock on Kaido.

Kiku didn't made a superficial cut, she literally made her blade through Kaido's hand. How the fuck is that superfical?
 
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