Theory What if Joyboy wanted the sinking?

[Monkey D Theories]

The sinking of the world sounds like a pirate’s dream.

I mean an open ocean that stretches as far as the eye can see? Wouldn’t that be a pirates’ dream?

What if Joyboy wanted to relocate all of the world to mariejois and then sink the planet?

All of humanity and the different races would live together in one spot. Humanity would no longer be fragmented by the different continents. They would be together in one piece.

One Piece = one piece of land

All blue = the sunken world. There would no longer be a north, south, east, or west blue. It would just be one ocean.

Why would joyboy want this? Perhaps the world of the past was one of deep conflict and inequality. In order to solve conflict, inequality, and oppression, joyboy sought to create a world where all people could live freely and equally.

Joyboy believed he could create this by sinking the world. By sinking the world, he would bring all of the world’s people together in one piece. This would also create the ultimate ocean, the all blue.

Luffy equates piracy with freedom. In the sunken world there would be ample opportunity for individuals to become pirates and explore the all blue.

Anyways let me know what y’all think of this. I’m not entirely sure the sinking was a bad thing. While it is assumed a lot of people died, that might not have been part of joyboy’s plan. I think instead joyboy would have used the Noah to save everyone.

But Imu didn’t want to have to share mariejois with others. He didn’t want an equal and free world. So he opposed joyboy’s plan.

 

[Salah WG]

Pirates are Selfish
Joy Boy is no Exception

 

[nik87]

There is something to it and I think you are looking at it through good-joyboy lenses.
He may not have been as good as you might think. Lili opposing him suggests that much.

 

[Reborn]

Most likely it was WG doing to wipe allies of Ancient Kingdom along with the kindom.

They cared about only those who supported them and all of them were relocated to MJ.


Rest - no fucks given.

This is evident from the fact that WG is still using the weapon to do cleansing

 

[Kiiro]

There is something to it and I think you are looking at it through good-joyboy lenses.
He may not have been as good as you might think. Lili opposing him suggests that much.

Didnt Lili betray Imu and helped Joy Boy?

After all Lili and her islans didn't become a celestial dragon.

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The sinking of the world sounds like a pirate’s dream.

I mean an open ocean that stretches as far as the eye can see? Wouldn’t that be a pirates’ dream?

What if Joyboy wanted to relocate all of the world to mariejois and then sink the planet?

All of humanity and the different races would live together in one spot. Humanity would no longer be fragmented by the different continents. They would be together in one piece.

One Piece = one piece of land

All blue = the sunken world. There would no longer be a north, south, east, or west blue. It would just be one ocean.

Why would joyboy want this? Perhaps the world of the past was one of deep conflict and inequality. In order to solve conflict, inequality, and oppression, joyboy sought to create a world where all people could live freely and equally.

Joyboy believed he could create this by sinking the world. By sinking the world, he would bring all of the world’s people together in one piece. This would also create the ultimate ocean, the all blue.

Luffy equates piracy with freedom. In the sunken world there would be ample opportunity for individuals to become pirates and explore the all blue.

Anyways let me know what y’all think of this. I’m not entirely sure the sinking was a bad thing. While it is assumed a lot of people died, that might not have been part of joyboy’s plan. I think instead joyboy would have used the Noah to save everyone.

But Imu didn’t want to have to share mariejois with others. He didn’t want an equal and free world. So he opposed joyboy’s plan.

So now the question would be... if thats true, they why would Luffy try and fight Imu? There is no reason

Thats a nice theory, but I kind feel that Imu and Joyboy were friends and they were playing a worldwide game, as childish as Luffy is, that might be a great reason for Luffy to fight Joy Boy, to see who wins the game.

And we still have the mystery of the moon.

 

[nik87]

Didnt Lili betray Imu and helped Joy Boy?

After all Lili and her islans didn't become a celestial dragon.

She didn't help Joyboy.
She just refused to move to MJ with other 19 families.
And she did turn against Imu, after the war, for whatever reasons.

 

[Borasey79]

Didnt Lili betray Imu and helped Joy Boy?

After all Lili and her islans didn't become a celestial dragon.

Current understanding is that Lili betrayed JoyBoy, but after his defeat, she came to regret it and turned on Imu instead, helping the AK's survivors to spread the knowledge about what happened through the world. Then she peaced, while her family was allowed to still be identified as the founders of the WG.

 

[Kiiro]

She didn't help Joyboy.
She just refused to move to MJ with other 19 families.
And she did turn against Imu, after the war, for whatever reasons.

In that case, Zunisha is Lili.

 

[Borasey79]

In that case, Zunisha is Lili.

Would be quite poetic.

If:
- JoyBoy was a monkey mink;
- Lili was in love with JoyBoy.

Then Lili is punished for her siding with JoyBoy by becoming a world-roaming giant monster, who ends up homing JoyBoy's people.

But, alas, I don't think any of those points, Zunisha = Lili included, have much validity.

 

[Reborn]

Current understanding is that Lili betrayed JoyBoy, but after his defeat, she came to regret it and turned on Imu instead, helping the AK's survivors to spread the knowledge about what happened through the world. Then she peaced, while her family was allowed to still be identified as the founders of the WG.

Doubt it


She was one of the founding member of WG which implies she was working with them against Ancient kingdom.


It's not necessary for all D families to be on same page as of Joyboy. Some might even got manipulated to fight against Joyboy by WG. Lily could be one of those.


Once kingdom was destroyed she learnt the true nature of WG and refused to move to MJ and betrayed WG by spreading PGs across the world.


IMU perhaps killed her. Him holding portrait of her might be because he killed his love.


Lily betrayed WG and not joyboy.

In that case, Zunisha is Lili.

Or Lily is dead

 

[Borasey79]

She was one of the founding member of WG which implies she was working with them against Ancient kingdom.

It's not necessary for all D families to be on same page as of Joyboy. Some might even got manipulated to fight against Joyboy by WG. Lily could be one of those.

Once kingdom was destroyed she learnt the true nature of WG and refused to move to MJ and betrayed WG by spreading PGs across the world.

I see Zunisha and the Ancient Robot as having been tricked into betraying JB, while Lili decided on her own to act against JB for the greater good, only to later regret the extent to which she and the other 19 kings had to go to win. This made it a Pyrrhic victory in her eyes, one she dreaded so much that she had to, somewhat, mend by facilitating the preservation of the poneglyphs.

 

[Reborn]

I see Zunisha and the Ancient Robot as having been tricked into betraying JB, while Lili decided on her own to act against JB for the greater good, only to later regret the extent to which she and the other 19 kings had to go to win. This made it a Pyrrhic victory in her eyes, one she dreaded so much that she had to, somewhat, mend by facilitating the preservation of the poneglyphs.

I don't think Zunesha betrayed JB. We did learn that he was ally of JB.

He is serving a sentence and a part of it says "he can only act on orders"


This implies he acted without orders in the past and his actions ended up causing great harm to joyboy and AK. Not necessary a betrayal.

So, in return he got punished to wander around the sea and to act only when rightful authority gives him an order

 

[D. Plant]

I don't think Joyboy really wants to sink the world, probably just a lie created by someone rally everyone up to defeat him. This is 20 medieval age kingdoms vs a massive kingdom with technologies of the future. They have lasers and shets, how can these 20 losers won with just sword and flintlock/revolver?

Joyboy believed he could create this by sinking the world. By sinking the world, he would bring all of the world’s people together in one piece. This would also create the ultimate ocean, the all blue.

This sounds like Blackbeard's plan...

I think it's the opposite, some people said Joyboy wants to create a One Giant Supercontinent of Pangea which also achieving the same goal of bringing everyone together. Joyboy wants to create his version of Utopia, Utopia of freedom. I think this is actually his dream. Since Nami dream is completely shattered now, his dream will eventually fulfil Nami's dream and Sanji's dream too. When Luffy mentioned about his dream, Nami is the only person upset because she have to redraw everything from scratch and Franky is like perfect because his ship will be sailing around the world to make it happen.

What I'm guessing is Joyboy was trying to terraform the Earth, hence we have Oars the continent puller. The ancient weapons probably was Joyboy's terraforming machine. What if Uranus is not supposed to rain down lasers, instead it was used to cut lands or break large mountain apart. Then Oars can carry the chunks of dirt to the place where Pangea will be formed. Pluton might be some kind of construction battleship ish... maybe it constructed the elevated ground on Alabasta and the wall surrounding Wano. As for Poseidon, her purpose is to transport people from old land to pangea.

 

[Borasey79]

I don't think Zunesha betrayed JB. We did learn that he was ally of JB.

He is serving a sentence and a part of it says "he can only act on orders"


This implies he acted without orders in the past and his actions ended up causing great harm to joyboy and AK. Not necessary a betrayal.

So, in return he got punished to wander around the sea and to act only when rightful authority gives him an order

That's why I said "tricked into betraying".
I think Zunisha was given a very specific task, i.e. protect this Ancient Weapon at all costs.
Then someone approached him pretending to be an ally of JB (maybe even disguised as one via Bon Clay's fruit). This ally had Zunisha move the AW where JB's enemies could get their hands on it or had Zunisha desert his guarding station, allowing the AW to be stolen.
A scenario like this one solves several issues at once.
It sets up Zunisha's crime as something almost involuntary.
It explains why he now can only act based on orders from a specific lineage (too dumb to recognize who you're dealing with, so from now on you can only listen to us and our family).
It sets the basis for the D. initial as a symbol of recognition amongst JB's followers (a la the X mark in Alabasta).

 

[D. Plant]

JoyBoy was a monkey mink

That one was funny, I laugh when watching it.

 

[Borasey79]

Also, partially OT, but it could be constructive to the general topic:

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In the Inca Empire (who referred to themselves as Realm of Four Parts = Four Road Poneglyphs?? Or Four Original Continents?)
which came after the Olmecs, or rubber people
there existed a role called the Willaq Umu, or High Priest of the Sun
Umu was usually the brother of emperor, and most likely the second most powerful person in the entire empire.

So, in a version of the AK where JoyBoy was the monarch, Imu was likely his brother and RHM.

By the end of the empire, the high priest was also the field marshals in war for the emperor.

Which may also link at BB's lineage, since he is Marshall D. Teach.

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One of the last Inca emperors, and thus representatives of the Sun God, was Amaru, whom some speculate to be the inspiration behind Dragon, thus completely linking Luffy to the AK ruler/JoyBoy.

= each diamond a continent, together connected by the cultural "web" of the AK?

 

[Monster Luffy]

There is something to it and I think you are looking at it through good-joyboy lenses.
He may not have been as good as you might think. Lili opposing him suggests that much.

I agree with you. Yes, joyboy being badboy is actually a good twist or his ideology that brings destruction to the world actually makes an interesting story. I mean even Rayleigh told that the ancient history may not be what they think. He asked SHS to tpur the world and reach the conclusion which might be different from what they have thought. Actually even in fishman island Luffy told to fish folks that it is upto to decide what is good and what is bad. So I don't think it is at the very least not the straight forward good vs bad.

 

[Borasey79]

Yes, joyboy being badboy is actually a good twist

The Nika fruit invalidates this. The sun shining of liberated people would never fall in the hands of a morally black, or even gray, user.

The AK was likely gray at best, since power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. A world-spanning empire is as "absolute" as one can go.

or his ideology that brings destruction to the world actually makes an interesting story.

This, however, is more plausible. JB was Oden-levels of stupid. He did things for the good of a few, without thinking of the consequences on the many.

 

[D. Plant]

So, in a version of the AK where JoyBoy was the monarch, Imu was likely his brother and RHM.

Wasn't Nerona family one of the 20 kingdoms who defeated AK? Maybe Nerona family used to have a close tie with AK, both Joyboy and Imu was childhood friend.

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One of the last Inca emperors, and thus representatives of the Sun God, was Amaru, whom some speculate to be the inspiration behind Dragon, thus completely linking Luffy to the AK ruler/JoyBoy.

= each diamond a continent, together connected by the cultural "web" of the AK?

Haven't heard of any theory other than the tattoo on Dragon's face being 3 of diamonds. Based on Big Two rules, 3 of diamonds are the smalles whereas 2 of spade is the biggest. If Amaru is linked to Dragon, that probably means the AK emperor was a weak man.

 

[Kiiro]

Would be quite poetic.

If:
- JoyBoy was a monkey mink;
- Lili was in love with JoyBoy.

Then Lili is punished for her siding with JoyBoy by becoming a world-roaming giant monster, who ends up homing JoyBoy's people.

But, alas, I don't think any of those points, Zunisha = Lili included, have much validity.

Nah, Lili is normal but punished to be a Elephant with a df.


Maybe DF aint that bad.

The ocean doesn't take away their powers, they just become like rocks, maybe if they somehow can use that bubble and then go to the deep oceans, they can find all the ancient ruins, maybe the ocean is calling them but they are so afraid.