Future Events What Sanji vs King means to Zoro future opponent and how it all connects to Luffy vs Katakuri
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I'm not looking down on Sanji or the RS at all. I'm just trying to explain how to manga works when it comes to swordsmanship and cutting attacks.
Some don't understand cutting attacks, how they are different than other attacks and the advantage it brings. I have seen people claim Zoro has weak durability because he was cut by a scythe from Killer. Yet, he was chomped on by Queen and tossed out at such a high speed that when he crashed into a number it took him out and all the injuries Zoro received was a few bruises. That's a good example that shows us the difference between blunt attacks and cutting attacks. At this time we can't say a RS can't be cut by a YC swordsman if one has never try to cut it.
The main point that I've been trying to make is people continue to claim that Zoro won't fight King because King can fly but they overlook the fact that he's the swordsman. Zoro talked about going up and guess who's blocking his way, King. That means if King wants to stop Zoro they will fight.
One reason I believe King will fight Zoro, it's something I have talked about in another thread, is the growth Zoro can receive from thir battle as a swordsman. Even though Big Mom is stronger than King we have never seen her add haki to her sword or use ryuo. If she can't than she's not a swordsman, especially at her level.
Some don't understand cutting attacks, how they are different than other attacks and the advantage it brings. I have seen people claim Zoro has weak durability because he was cut by a scythe from Killer. Yet, he was chomped on by Queen and tossed out at such a high speed that when he crashed into a number it took him out and all the injuries Zoro received was a few bruises. That's a good example that shows us the difference between blunt attacks and cutting attacks. At this time we can't say a RS can't be cut by a YC swordsman if one has never try to cut it.
The main point that I've been trying to make is people continue to claim that Zoro won't fight King because King can fly but they overlook the fact that he's the swordsman. Zoro talked about going up and guess who's blocking his way, King. That means if King wants to stop Zoro they will fight.
One reason I believe King will fight Zoro, it's something I have talked about in another thread, is the growth Zoro can receive from thir battle as a swordsman. Even though Big Mom is stronger than King we have never seen her add haki to her sword or use ryuo. If she can't than she's not a swordsman, especially at her level.
I was talking about in general. Rob Lucci was leagues ahead of kaku despite kaku being a swordsman. I don't know why some fans have this idea that you have to use a sword to fight a swordsman. It's never been the case in one piece and never will. I recommend watching roroni kenshin if you want to see people battle with swords that badly. We have characters like garp for a reason. Jinbei a very strong combatent that doesn't need to use a sword. My only argument is that having a sword is a not
When he beats a sword user what you gonna say? Omg it makes no sense.
And who zoro chop into pieces? When he hit killer with the oni giri it only knocked him out. Dude you just a swordsman fanboy.
When he beats a sword user what you gonna say? Omg it makes no sense.
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And who zoro chop into pieces? When he hit killer with the oni giri it only knocked him out. Dude you just a swordsman fanboy.
Wtf you talking about? Didn’t luffy beat cracker a fucking sword user. Luffy would beat the shit out of zoro a sword user. Kaido beats most sword users. Jinbei is stronger than most of the scabbards arguably all of them and he fights with his hands.
Let’s not forget monkey d garp. Who striaght yo fought bare handed. Your headcanon amazes me.
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Let’s not forget monkey d garp. Who striaght yo fought bare handed. Your headcanon amazes me.
I said pay attention and the first thing you do is NOT pay attention. 
Luffy didnt fight against swords, he fought against biscuits.
Luffy never beat the shit out of Zoro. Their fight was hidden behind a mist.
Jinbe and Scabbards never fought nor will.
Again, pay attention to how combat in OP works, I cant teach you all, lol.
Luffy didnt fight against swords, he fought against biscuits.
Luffy never beat the shit out of Zoro. Their fight was hidden behind a mist.
Jinbe and Scabbards never fought nor will.
Again, pay attention to how combat in OP works, I cant teach you all, lol.
I said pay attention and the first thing you do is NOT pay attention.
Luffy didnt fight against swords, he fought against biscuits.
Luffy never beat the shit out of Zoro. Their fight was hidden behind a mist.
Jinbe and Scabbards never fought nor will.
Again, pay attention to how combat in OP works, I cant teach you all, lol.
Luffy didnt fight against swords, he fought against biscuits.
I said pay attention and the first thing you do is NOT pay attention.
Luffy didnt fight against swords, he fought against biscuits.
Luffy never beat the shit out of Zoro. Their fight was hidden behind a mist.
Jinbe and Scabbards never fought nor will.
Again, pay attention to how combat in OP works, I cant teach you all, lol.
Luffy didnt fight against swords, he fought against biscuits.
Luffy never beat the shit out of Zoro. Their fight was hidden behind a mist.
Jinbe and Scabbards never fought nor will.
Again, pay attention to how combat in OP works, I cant teach you all, lol.
Jinbe and Scabbards never fought nor will.
Again, pay attention to how combat in OP works, I cant teach you all, lol.
And my argument is the fact that Oda keeps swordsmen and brawlers separated for 23 years(entire duration of OP).
Yes, I think Zoro easily beats Luffy whether you consider it deluded or not. All Zoro's aspects are top-notch.
As I said, your argument would make sense if it ever happened in 23 year but it didnt.
Yes, I think Zoro easily beats Luffy whether you consider it deluded or not. All Zoro's aspects are top-notch.
As I said, your argument would make sense if it ever happened in 23 year but it didnt.
And my argument is the fact that Oda keeps swordsmen and brawlers separated for 23 years(entire duration of OP).
Yes, I think Zoro easily beats Luffy whether you consider it deluded or not. All Zoro's aspects are top-notch.
As I said, your argument would make sense if it ever happened in 23 year but it didnt.
Yes, I think Zoro easily beats Luffy whether you consider it deluded or not. All Zoro's aspects are top-notch.
As I said, your argument would make sense if it ever happened in 23 year but it didnt.
And you do realize Garp hasnt beaten any swordsman on panel that we can see how he is supposed to do that? 
Zoro is worst possible match-up for Luffy, ridiculously easy for Zoro.
Cracker used sword only 3 times, once when he almost cut his hand off, once when he aimed for his head and in the last attack, the rest of the fight was against biscuits. What a coincidence, just what benefits Luffy. You dont need to remind me anything, I know it perfectly well.
It wasnt spinning slash, it was spinning stab, big difference. If he went for a slash instead of a stab he would have never been shot away. He wasnt able to stab tankman, again big difference. Katakuri's spear is stabbing, not cutting, again, there is a big difference.
Luffy dodged and dodged until Katakuri threw away the spear because Luffy couldnt do anything except dodging which proves my point.
It is not something I made up, it is a manga fact.
Zoro is worst possible match-up for Luffy, ridiculously easy for Zoro.
Cracker used sword only 3 times, once when he almost cut his hand off, once when he aimed for his head and in the last attack, the rest of the fight was against biscuits. What a coincidence, just what benefits Luffy. You dont need to remind me anything, I know it perfectly well.
It wasnt spinning slash, it was spinning stab, big difference. If he went for a slash instead of a stab he would have never been shot away. He wasnt able to stab tankman, again big difference. Katakuri's spear is stabbing, not cutting, again, there is a big difference.
Luffy dodged and dodged until Katakuri threw away the spear because Luffy couldnt do anything except dodging which proves my point.
It is not something I made up, it is a manga fact.
And you do realize Garp hasnt beaten any swordsman on panel that we can see how he is supposed to do that?
Zoro is worst possible match-up for Luffy, ridiculously easy for Zoro.
Cracker used sword only 3 times, once when he almost cut his hand off, once when he aimed for his head and in the last attack, the rest of the fight was against biscuits. What a coincidence, just what benefits Luffy. You dont need to remind me anything, I know it perfectly well.
It wasnt spinning slash, it was spinning stab, big difference. If he went for a slash instead of a stab he would have never been shot away. He wasnt able to stab tankman, again big difference. Katakuri's spear is stabbing, not cutting, again, there is a big difference.
Luffy dodged and dodged until Katakuri threw away the spear because Luffy couldnt do anything except dodging which proves my point.
It is not something I made up, it is a manga fact.
Zoro is worst possible match-up for Luffy, ridiculously easy for Zoro.
Cracker used sword only 3 times, once when he almost cut his hand off, once when he aimed for his head and in the last attack, the rest of the fight was against biscuits. What a coincidence, just what benefits Luffy. You dont need to remind me anything, I know it perfectly well.
It wasnt spinning slash, it was spinning stab, big difference. If he went for a slash instead of a stab he would have never been shot away. He wasnt able to stab tankman, again big difference. Katakuri's spear is stabbing, not cutting, again, there is a big difference.
Luffy dodged and dodged until Katakuri threw away the spear because Luffy couldnt do anything except dodging which proves my point.
It is not something I made up, it is a manga fact.
“Luffy didnt fight against swords, he fought against biscuits.” This is what you said and it’s factually incorrect.
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And you do realize Garp hasnt beaten any swordsman on panel that we can see how he is supposed to do that?
Zoro is worst possible match-up for Luffy, ridiculously easy for Zoro.
Cracker used sword only 3 times, once when he almost cut his hand off, once when he aimed for his head and in the last attack, the rest of the fight was against biscuits. What a coincidence, just what benefits Luffy. You dont need to remind me anything, I know it perfectly well.
It wasnt spinning slash, it was spinning stab, big difference. If he went for a slash instead of a stab he would have never been shot away. He wasnt able to stab tankman, again big difference. Katakuri's spear is stabbing, not cutting, again, there is a big difference.
Luffy dodged and dodged until Katakuri threw away the spear because Luffy couldnt do anything except dodging which proves my point.
It is not something I made up, it is a manga fact.
Zoro is worst possible match-up for Luffy, ridiculously easy for Zoro.
Cracker used sword only 3 times, once when he almost cut his hand off, once when he aimed for his head and in the last attack, the rest of the fight was against biscuits. What a coincidence, just what benefits Luffy. You dont need to remind me anything, I know it perfectly well.
It wasnt spinning slash, it was spinning stab, big difference. If he went for a slash instead of a stab he would have never been shot away. He wasnt able to stab tankman, again big difference. Katakuri's spear is stabbing, not cutting, again, there is a big difference.
Luffy dodged and dodged until Katakuri threw away the spear because Luffy couldnt do anything except dodging which proves my point.
It is not something I made up, it is a manga fact.
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Listen just answer this one question the I’m done. Does vista a sword user beat prime garp? Yes or no. That’s all I need to know.
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Luffy when was faced with a swordsman he ended up eating biscuits, that's not fighting swordsmen.
I am not adding anything, just pointing out facts.
Katakuri threw it away because Luffy wasnt capable of doing anything while he used the trident. Fact.
Simple storytelling - if Luffy cant deal with it, Oda will deal with it for him.
Flampe's interference is a story element which led to Katakuri throwing it away... Do I have to spell it out for you, lol?
You have no idea what you are saying lmao. Dont compare Lucci with someone twice weaker than him, compare him with someone equal to him who is a swordsman, that's where the party is. You have no proof that Marco is stronger than Vista, pure headcanon. Garp was never compared to Roger and whatever happened between them, happened off panel which is irrelevant. Give me on panel feats.
Akainu get's destroyed by any top tier swordsman. Luffy would die instantly against Zoro if Oda isnt babysitting him, literally low diff.
Luffy doesnt have better strength or haki, pure headcanon. Movement speed(assuming that's the one you mean) perhaps but that stat is irrelevant not only for Zoro but for every swordsman. I have been reading the actual story and paying more attention to it than you did.
I am not adding anything, just pointing out facts.
Katakuri threw it away because Luffy wasnt capable of doing anything while he used the trident. Fact.
Simple storytelling - if Luffy cant deal with it, Oda will deal with it for him.
Flampe's interference is a story element which led to Katakuri throwing it away... Do I have to spell it out for you, lol?
You have no idea what you are saying lmao. Dont compare Lucci with someone twice weaker than him, compare him with someone equal to him who is a swordsman, that's where the party is. You have no proof that Marco is stronger than Vista, pure headcanon. Garp was never compared to Roger and whatever happened between them, happened off panel which is irrelevant. Give me on panel feats.
Akainu get's destroyed by any top tier swordsman. Luffy would die instantly against Zoro if Oda isnt babysitting him, literally low diff.
Luffy doesnt have better strength or haki, pure headcanon. Movement speed(assuming that's the one you mean) perhaps but that stat is irrelevant not only for Zoro but for every swordsman. I have been reading the actual story and paying more attention to it than you did.
sanji barely managed to block judge
that was just literally a swing from judge and sanji was brought to his knee.
Now this is judge with a named attack
sanji was overwhelmed by judge's attack
that was just literally a swing from judge and sanji was brought to his knee.
Now this is judge with a named attack
sanji was overwhelmed by judge's attack