Future Events What Sanji vs King means to Zoro future opponent and how it all connects to Luffy vs Katakuri

[Finalbeta]

I disagree

Zoro and Luffy will probably take on both Kaido and Big Mom in this one arc in that Oda won't find enough time to make Elbaf a long arc so there will be no yonko fight there

About Sanji, it's entirely up to Oda, but I would definitely say having him defeat King would prove quite a bad writing

 

[HA001]

Kyros beat Diamante who was an executive in the same league as Pica, given the same bounty, claiming that a fruitless Pica is significantly stronger than a fruit using Diamante is pure cringe.

I never claimed he could beat the golem, just that the golem couldn't beat Kyros, try to read a bit better please, re-explaining things ad naseum gets tiresome.

Jyabura said that as COPE because of how important the CP9 view that figure.

Kyros couldnt stop iron balls falling on him how would he stop a town sized palm ?

no where in the manga does it say doriki is overall strength

 

[chacharealsmooth]

I disagree

Zoro and Luffy will probably take on both Kaido and Big Mom in this one arc in that Oda won't find enough time to make Elbaf a long arc so there will be no yonko fight there

About Sanji, it's entirely up to Oda, but I would definitely say having him defeat King would prove quite a bad writing

Oda doesn’t care about powerscaling. If he did, Sanji would be a squeezed tomato after taking Drake’s tail or powered-up genie’s sword to his face.

 

[bennbeckman]

No he made it to replace his arm, weird to compare a prosthetic to weapons he carries around his waist.
Queen hasn't used hybrid yet, I am sure both him and King will use their swords in their hybrid forms.


Nope

Comparing the ridiculousness of it, 0 hints of zoro vs queen last chapter and yet it's still being pushed

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As long as my boi Zoro puts the finishing blow on a Yonko I don’t care who it is... Meme or Laido !

That's the truth right there

 

[WesMidnight]

zoro ca monet doesn't have wings she didn't fly

So akainu needs to fly to fight Marco or it is the inverse they fought on land

As I said arguing down the small Hawkins jump route and ignoring the Pica/Dragon mobility issues is something I will assume is bad faith and not continue down.
She is hovering slightly above Zoro's height, hardly comparable to what King has been doing, she is a snow fruit user, Kings most potent feature is his ultra fast flight, comparing the two and ignoring these distinctions is verging on bad faith also.

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What? Are you saying that Zoro is not a competent swordsman?

Zoro was able to tame enma a feat only Oden could perform so it's very believable that Zoro will have a stronger Ryuo than swordsman who couldn't perform that feat.

The scabbards cut Kaido because of their ryuo. I'm talking about their ability to be able to physically hurt and cut Kaido. Kaido didn't think they would be able to hurt him that's why he wasn't concerned at first. Him being drunk has nothing to do with the hardness/durability of his body.


Zoro has range attacks and has fought and beat an opponent who can fly. Besides, if King goes and deal with the weaker fighter that means he's not stopping Zoro from reaching Kaido. The whole point to him being there is a stop anyone from reaching Kaido.

What is interesting is some want to continue to claim that Zoro can't fight King because Zoro can't fly. Yet, they don't want to comment on whether Sanji will be able to deal with King's sword and cutting power. We all know Sanji blocks with his legs and feet. That would be a very foolish move if he's dealing for a strong swordsman that possesses ryuo.

Of course Zoro is a competent swordsman, I am saying that the scabbards are not scrubs, and pretending that his ryuo output is stronger than multiple of them is scabbard downplay.

Why would Denjiro try to wield Hiyori's sword? Zoro was able to do this prior to training, when he was at a level where a determined Zoro could not get past a holding back Denjiro to get to Orochi.

Him having PTSD/ Scar hurting does impact his durability, being drunk and not reacting properly+ using haki defense properly does impact his durability.

King can do both, that is the power of good mobility vs. bad mobility, Zoro is the one that needs to make himself prone in the sky.

 

[CbShadow]

As I said arguing down the small Hawkins jump route and ignoring the Pica/Dragon mobility issues is something I will assume is bad faith and not continue down.
She is hovering slightly above Zoro's height, hardly comparable to what King has been doing, she is a snow fruit user, Kings most potent feature is his ultra fast flight, comparing the two and ignoring these distinctions is verging on bad faith also.

Where did you get this, "King's most potent feature is ultra fast flight" from?

King hit a very big ship with a close range attack. Marco repeated the same feat when he stopped Big Mom ship.

Just because Sanji fail to push away from King doesn't show he had ultra fast flight. Instead, it shows Sanji's lack in strength.

 

[Lifeismeh]

King will eventually fight Zoro

Sanji opponent is Queen

their introduction gave it away

even if Marco and King start fighting next chapter, I would just assume the Raid will fail and Zoro will fight King in the second round

 

[WesMidnight]

Kyros couldnt stop iron balls falling on him how would he stop a town sized palm ?

no where in the manga does it say doriki is overall strength

That attack is faster and harder to dodge than Pica's palm attacks.

But it is a guideline, claiming there is a large gap between Kaku and Jyabara is said nowhere in the manga and requires more evidence than muh swords because these are combat styles not hierarchy, just because you use a sword doesn't mean you are stronger than a brawler in One Piece logic where fists are harder than sledgehammers without haki. It is heavily heavily implied that Lucci is signifciantly above everyone else in CP9 in Enies Lobby.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

How hard it is to understand that Zoro will fight Kaido with Luffy ? Oda is clearly showing us that

 

[WesMidnight]

Where did you get this, "King's most potent feature is ultra fast flight" from?

King hit a very big ship with a close range attack. Marco repeated the same feat when he stopped Big Mom ship.

Just because Sanji fail to push away from King doesn't show he had ultra fast flight. Instead, it shows Sanji's lack in strength.

Sanji's speed in the RS has been hyped whether you like it or not, and King caught up to him. This is freaky levels of mobility.

 

[Tobra]

How hard it is to understand that Zoro will fight Kaido with Luffy ? Oda is clearly showing us that

yeah it’s pretty clear i don’t know what all this fuss about

 

[CbShadow]

As I said arguing down the small Hawkins jump route and ignoring the Pica/Dragon mobility issues is something I will assume is bad faith and not continue down.
She is hovering slightly above Zoro's height, hardly comparable to what King has been doing, she is a snow fruit user, Kings most potent feature is his ultra fast flight, comparing the two and ignoring these distinctions is verging on bad faith also.

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Of course Zoro is a competent swordsman, I am saying that the scabbards are not scrubs, and pretending that his ryuo output is stronger than multiple of them is scabbard downplay.

Why would Denjiro try to wield Hiyori's sword? Zoro was able to do this prior to training, when he was at a level where a determined Zoro could not get past a holding back Denjiro to get to Orochi.

Him having PTSD/ Scar hurting does impact his durability, being drunk and not reacting properly+ using haki defense properly does impact his durability.

King can do both, that is the power of good mobility vs. bad mobility, Zoro is the one that needs to make himself prone in the sky.

I'm talking about Zoro's ryuo vs anyone of the scabbards ryuo. Kin attack cut Kaido because of ryuo and his ryuo alone. It had nothing to do with anybody else's ryuo. If it was not strong enough he would have never cut Kadio.

Being drunk doesn't stop your body for being any hard or less durable. Nowhere in the manga has it ever been stated or hinted that Kaido's strong hard/durable body comes from haki. They were able to cut him because if their ryuo.

Zoro vs Denjiro was a very short clash with no winner because Zoro left to rescue Hiyori. The battle showed an injured Zoro to keep up with Denjiro.

If King wants to stop Zoro from reaching Kaido he's going to have to stop Zoro. Attacking someone else won't stop Zoro.

Sanji's speed in the RS has been hyped whether you like it or not, and King caught up to him. This is freaky levels of mobility.

It was more because it is a visibility then speed.

But that's fine if you want to look at as a speed feat because fast to one person doesn't equal to fast someone else.

Zoro is still the person who evaded Kuma's attacks when heavily injured, pre TS.

The way Zoro evaded those attacks remind me of the way Katakuri evaded Luffy's attacks.

Zoro is much faster and more agile than some people realize.

 

[chacharealsmooth]

I'm talking about Zoro's ryuo vs anyone of the scabbards ryuo. Kin attack cut Kaido because of ryuo and his ryuo alone. It had nothing to do with anybody else's ryuo. If it was not strong enough he would have never cut Kadio.

Being drunk doesn't stop your body for being any hard or less durable. Nowhere in the manga has it ever been stated or hinted that Kaido's strong hard/durable body comes from haki. They were able to cut him because if their ryuo.

Zoro vs Denjiro was a very short clash with no winner because Zoro left to rescue Hiyori. The battle showed an injured Zoro to keep up with Denjiro.

If King wants to stop Zoro from reaching Kaido he's going to have to stop Zoro. Attacking someone else won't stop Zoro.



It was more because it is a visibility then speed.

But that's fine if you want to look at as a speed feat because fast to one person doesn't equal to fast someone else.

Zoro is still the person who evaded Kuma's attacks when heavily injured, pre TS.

The way Zoro evaded those attacks remind me of the way Katakuri evaded Luffy's attacks.

Zoro is much faster and more agile than some people realize.

Zoro doesn’t have the same amount of movement speed as Sanji does. Sanji in base is faster, add RS to that, he is way more faster than Zoro is.

 

[Sanji D Cook]

Serious question...why is it so bad or disappointing that Zoro may fight Queen. Ever since Sanji and King clashed, there has been this anxiety around here that anyone other than Kaido or King would be a disappointment for Zoro. I have not seen any kind of threat or strength gap portrayed between King and Queen.

 

[WesMidnight]

I'm talking about Zoro's ryuo vs anyone of the scabbards ryuo. Kin attack cut Kaido because of ryuo and his ryuo alone. It had nothing to do with anybody else's ryuo. If it was not strong enough he would have never cut Kadio.

Being drunk doesn't stop your body for being any hard or less durable. Nowhere in the manga has it ever been stated or hinted that Kaido's strong hard/durable body comes from haki. They were able to cut him because if their ryuo.

Zoro vs Denjiro was a very short clash with no winner because Zoro left to rescue Hiyori. The battle showed an injured Zoro to keep up with Denjiro.

If King wants to stop Zoro from reaching Kaido he's going to have to stop Zoro. Attacking someone else won't stop Zoro.

It was more because it is a visibility then speed.

But that's fine if you want to look at as a speed feat because fast to one person doesn't equal to fast someone else.

Zoro is still the person who evaded Kuma's attacks when heavily injured, pre TS.

The way Zoro evaded those attacks remind me of the way Katakuri evaded Luffy's attacks.

Zoro is much faster and more agile than some people realize.

I am of the belief that their group attack allowed them to penetrate where they may have failed if it was one at a time. The fact that this was designed as a group attack and the flow and the will of Oden was emphasized is what leads me to this belief.

Being drunk means the active portion of your guard isn't up the difference between bracing and not (in a world where things like tekkai exist) and there is no reason why Kaido can't have a haki defence over his scale defense when he isn't sloppy drunk.

The clash with Zoro can show whatever you want, but as of yet Denjiro is hyped to be the strongest scabbard, most likely stronger than Jack which is stronger than Zoro has currently shown himself to be (again I do believe he will beat Queen in this arc or fight King+Queen in a 2vs2 with Sanji) so to automatically put Zoro's ryuo a tier ahead of Denjiro is unfair.

I'm more so talking about looking at Sanji's previous speed feats and then adding the boosters on top of that.

Zoro is very fast and agile in short range, but less so than g2 and much less than G4 snakeman.

like he fought monet and kaku
also marco might fight kign since zoro will go for bigger fish named kaido

Neither are aerial specialists and neither make extremely fast flight a big part of their combat style.
Kaku was in an arc where every character had flight so there was no need to show it off, plus it would interfere with his fours sword style.

Monet was a snow fruit user who decided the big brain way to use flight was to hover slightly over his head and attack with her silly ice picks.

Contrast with King whose fruit power is based around super fast flight.

 

[Zowo]

Neither are aerial specialists and neither make extremely fast flight a big part of their combat style.
Kaku was in an arc where every character had flight so there was no need to show it off, plus it would interfere with his fours sword style.

Monet was a snow fruit user who decided the big brain way to use flight was to hover slightly over his head and attack with her silly ice picks.

Contrast with King whose fruit power is based around super fast flight.

just because king can fly doesnt mean zoro can t fight him lmao in the fb he was fighting in the ground against raizo lol
zoro has ranged attacks and kings needs to come at zoro if he wants to damage him it s not like king will stay in the air

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Serious question...why is it so bad or disappointing that Zoro may fight Queen. Ever since Sanji and King clashed, there has been this anxiety around here that anyone other than Kaido or King would be a disappointment for Zoro. I have not seen any kind of threat or strength gap portrayed between King and Queen.

Zoro Will not fight either King or Queen cause he cant be damaged before the Kaido's fight

 

[Zowo]

Serious question...why is it so bad or disappointing that Zoro may fight Queen. Ever since Sanji and King clashed, there has been this anxiety around here that anyone other than Kaido or King would be a disappointment for Zoro. I have not seen any kind of threat or strength gap portrayed between King and Queen.

because queen is not a swordsman that s why
king the only one and he might fight marco
zoro is fighting kaido

 

[WesMidnight]

just because king can fly doesnt mean zoro can t fight him lmao in the fb he was fighting in the ground against raizo lol
zoro has ranged attacks and kings needs to come at zoro if he wants to damage him it s not like king will stay in the air

I've already given my answers to both of these in the thread.
Tl;dr:
Zoro needs to come to King not the other way around otherwise King can kill the crew.
King was persuing Raizo at a low difficulty, he didn't need to operate at maximum capacity how he would in a proper fight.

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because queen is not a swordsman that s why king the only one and he might fight marco
zoro is fighting kaido

He has two swords, he's twice the swordsman king is.

 

[Zowo]

Zoro needs to come to King not the other way around otherwise King can kill the crew.

this dude
king needs to come frist to the crew if he wants to kill them and they are down there and zoro is with them lmao