General & Others What was the Worst Plot Point in One Piece?

[Owl Ki]

Yeah people ignore a lot of Enies Lobby's flaws because it has good action and actually good character moments.

The thing is, it is much easier for the audience to ignore story flaws when there is fast paced cool stuff happening. When the audience is subjected to sluggish lame inanities, that is when they become a lot less forgiving. That is why Marineford is one of the more popular arcs. It is 31 chapters of nonstop cool stuff happening. It isn't any better written than most other arcs but it is just a lot more fun.

The primary purpose of entertainment is to entertain. Everything else is secondary.

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

In D. Walls held off Zoro and Luffy at the same time
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The thing is, it is much easier for the audience to ignore story flaws when there is fast paced cool stuff happening. When the audience is subjected to sluggish lame inanities, that is when they become a lot less forgiving. That is why Marineford is one of the more popular arcs. It is 31 chapters of nonstop cool stuff happening. It isn't any better written than most other arcs but it is just a lot more fun.

The primary purpose of entertainment is to entertain. Everything else is secondary.

Ulloo Da

 

[Juanpiz]

The thing is, it is much easier for the audience to ignore story flaws when there is fast paced cool stuff happening. When the audience is subjected to sluggish lame inanities, that is when they become a lot less forgiving. That is why Marineford is one of the more popular arcs. It is 31 chapters of nonstop cool stuff happening. It isn't any better written than most other arcs but it is just a lot more fun.

The primary purpose of entertainment is to entertain. Everything else is secondary.

Or impel down which had cool guys like Magellan,crocodile and Blackbeard

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

Lolden

Everything tying to this clown has been a disaster. Wano was a dumpster fire because of this clown. Even after he was dead, his fucking scabbards made to sure to drag out an already bloated arc. And a potentially cool character, a child of a yonko, was completely and utterly ruined by the delusions of her to become lolden. Kaido, the arc and saga villain, was ruined and didn't even get a proper flashback or explanations of his motives because the arc was way too fucking long due to all the lolden wank.

Fuck lolden.

If only Oden had less rizz and more solitary
Wano would’ve been salvaged

 

[Logiko]

Brah but you too are the same... Right like two opposing points exist but you choose to believe the one which fits your agenda.... Everything is for agenda

Well, yeah. I take the story has it is. I don't expect it to be something it can't be or shouldn't be.

Don't bother, you're talking to literal "Story Jesus" himself, our peasant opinions can't comprehend the sheer genius of Oda's writing. Logiko is the One True Reader (unless you agree with him, then you're a normal and nice person).

I'm not story Jesus. Just someone who studied storytelling and Oda's narration a little bit more that the average here. If you think reading One Piece for 15 years alone makes you a One Piece specialist, you have a few things to learns.

A lot of people know more than me on the narration of One Piece, just not here :3

And a potentially cool character, a child of a yonko, was completely and utterly ruined by the delusions of her to become lolden

See. Pure missunderstanding of the narration. yamato is actually a very well thought character. Same for her character arc. And this is coming from someone who fought Yamato fans for years.

Oh my god, how could I forget Meme's amnesia?

Not a bad thing either. A bit surprising ? Yes. Not bad.

I didn't like the key plotline in Enies Lobby.
CP9 was supposed to be full of professional assassins, why are they playing around games with the Straw Hats?

When I say that illegitimate expectations didn't start with Fishmen Island....

PRIME example here.



" are supposed to be" "it's should be" "I wanna be the story to be that way..." etc. Pure illegitimate expectation. When you are at a point when you go to Water Seven and Enies lobby to whine about a storytelling that has been here from the beginning.. At one point, ask yourself some questions.

Just the fact. Most people here don't even understand the concept of Retcon.

It was just that the execution was so bad

It wasn't badly executed. It serve exactly the purpose it had. Efficiantly in fact.

Yeah people ignore a lot of Enies Lobby's flaws because it has good action and actually good character moments.

Incredible. Those were not flaws. Do you want to go back to Arlong Park to criticize the way Luffy fought ?

No because, if you guyz are gonna whine fallaciously all the way down memory lane, let's go all the way !

I bet you didn't like that Luffy was able to defeat hurt baggy by crushing his foot on the ground and I bet you can't stand the fact that Shanks was fooled by a smock bomb on windmill Village. Wait... maybe you don't really like the fact that Roger gave himself up to the marines without fighting ?

Dude believes Oda had planned Shitno since ch. 648 lmao

Oden ? Yes, he was most likely planned way before 648. But since you don't care about the narration of One Piece, you can't understand why I say that.

There’s no retcon
Even if there was a retcon it was good

Not if. There was none here. But retcons can be good, yes.

See.. for me this has always been hilarious.

But it seems that """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""fans""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" here, didn't like that.

My bad! I thought I was in a One Piece forum, not winterfell.

The thing is, it is much easier for the audience to ignore story flaws when there is fast paced cool stuff happening.

There is always cool stuff happening. It's just a lot denser. We are not in Paradise anymore.

The primary purpose of entertainment is to entertain. Everything else is secondary.

You can't entertain someone that doesn't want to be entertained.

Here, people don't want that. They want something else. Their agendas and expectations. And badass character with big muscles and hyper power full moments everychapter. This is not how One Piece works.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Tamatebakko was waaaaay worse than the bird cage. Nit only did it serve no narrative purpose, it literally started the downfall of post TS. Wci went completely went to shit after it and then the Wano disaster happened, then the crowded clusterfuck that was Egghead.

Why do people hate the Tamatebakko stuff btw?

 

[Juanpiz]

Well, yeah. I take the story has it is. I don't expect it to be something it can't be or shouldn't be.



I'm not story Jesus. Just someone who studied storytelling and Oda's narration a little bit more that the average here. If you think reading One Piece for 15 years alone makes you a One Piece specialist, you have a few things to learns.

A lot of people know more than me on the narration of One Piece, just not here :3



See. Pure missunderstanding of the narration. yamato is actually a very well thought character. Same for her character arc. And this is coming from someone who fought Yamato fans for years.



Not a bad thing either. A bit surprising ? Yes. Not bad.



When I say that illegitimate expectations didn't start with Fishmen Island....

PRIME example here.



" are supposed to be" "it's should be" "I wanna be the story to be that way..." etc. Pure illegitimate expectation. When you are at a point when you go to Water Seven and Enies lobby to whine about a storytelling that has been here from the beginning.. At one point, ask yourself some questions.



Just the fact. Most people here don't even understand the concept of Retcon.



It wasn't badly executed. It serve exactly the purpose it had. Efficiantly in fact.





Incredible. Those were not flaws. Do you want to go back to Arlong Park to criticize the way Luffy fought ?

No because, if you guyz are gonna whine fallaciously all the way down memory lane, let's go all the way !

I bet you didn't like that Luffy was able to defeat hurt baggy by crushing his foot on the ground and I bet you can't stand the fact that Shanks was fooled by a smock bomb on windmill Village. Wait... maybe you don't really like the fact that Roger gave himself up to the marines without fighting ?





Oden ? Yes, he was most likely planned way before 648. But since you don't care about the narration of One Piece, you can't understand why I say that.



Not if. There was none here. But retcons can be good, yes.


See.. for me this has always been hilarious.

But it seems that """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""fans""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" here, didn't like that.

My bad! I thought I was in a One Piece forum, not winterfell.




There is always cool stuff happening. It's just a lot denser. We are not in Paradise anymore.



You can't entertain someone that doesn't want to be entertained.

Here, people don't want that. They want something else. Their agendas and expectations. And badass character with big muscles and hyper power full moments everychapter. This is not how One Piece works.

The chimney scene was a good mix of serious and funny unlike eyes popping out when vegapunk died

 

[dirtyLarry]

Why do people hate the Tamatebakko stuff btw?

1) With the size of the explosion (after such a long time, too) it would've completely destroyed the entire Ryugu Palace and killed every last one there, if it actually went off bc of a thief. It made zero sense for the fishmen to put in THAT many explosives. Clear manga logic problem there.

2) The execution was horrible. Not only did a rather random side-character "open" it, while it was set up for BM to open it all the time, everything it set off (30 chapters of "weeeeeddddiiiiiingggg caaakkeee" nonsense) was a complete fiasco.

 

[Owl Ki]

There is always cool stuff happening. It's just a lot denser. We are not in Paradise anymore.

How many chapters of Elbaf were pissed away on a "mystery character" that turned out to be feckin Road? Who cares about the 5th guy in Luffy's tertiary subordinate captain's five man crew? Why is he eating up Elbaf Arc screen time with his nonsense perversions of Nami? Those chapters were so arse, people were speculating that it was actually some cloud cuckoo land dream world. There was nothing cool happening there.

Thing is, the last chapter had the crowd here do a complete 180° in attitude at the mere sight of Loki. Why? Cause he actually looks smeggin cool.

Give the people here a single crumb of something actually, legitimately, unequivocally cool and they easily become quite happy again.

You can't entertain someone that doesn't want to be entertained.

Here, people don't want that. They want something else. Their agendas and expectations. And badass character with big muscles and hyper power full moments every chapter. This is not how One Piece works.

What people want is what Oda used to deliver. That is it.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

The thing is, it is much easier for the audience to ignore story flaws when there is fast paced cool stuff happening. When the audience is subjected to sluggish lame inanities, that is when they become a lot less forgiving. That is why Marineford is one of the more popular arcs. It is 31 chapters of nonstop cool stuff happening. It isn't any better written than most other arcs but it is just a lot more fun.

The primary purpose of entertainment is to entertain. Everything else is secondary.

Water 7 shenanigans are nowhere close to fast.
Enies lobby is faster but to get there you had foxy+W7 slowness

 

[dirtyLarry]

Water 7 shenanigans are nowhere close to fast.
Enies lobby is faster but to get there you had foxy+W7 slowness

Water 7 is arguably the best written arc in all of One Piece.

Sure, it had no huge fight, but there was plot progression every single chapter and hardly any panels were wasted.

The amount of story that was put into those 50 chapters would take about 150 chapters with Oda's current pacing.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

bet you didn't like that Luffy was able to defeat hurt baggy by crushing his foot on the ground

Don't care for it but I didn't dislike it. I was indifferent to Buggy until Impel Down where I became a fan

bet you can't stand the fact that Shanks was fooled by a smock bomb on windmill Village.

I don't mind that. Obviously it's weird now with CoO but Oda clearly didn't have that much of a plan for CoO at that point. You could also argue that Shanks was just too agitated to use it properly but IDC

Wait... maybe you don't really like the fact that Roger gave himself up to the marines without fighting ?

Why would I dislike that?? Comparing that to disliking the CP9 key flashback is stupid. Roger giving himself up is a legendary move that makes a character that's supposed to be impressive have a legendary death starting an entire age instead of wasting away of an illness

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bet you didn't like that Luffy was able to defeat hurt baggy by crushing his foot on the ground

Don't care for it but I didn't dislike it. I was indifferent to Buggy until Impel Down where I became a fan

bet you can't stand the fact that Shanks was fooled by a smock bomb on windmill Village.

I don't mind that. Obviously it's weird now with CoO but Oda clearly didn't have that much of a plan for CoO at that point. You could also argue that Shanks was just too agitated to use it properly but IDC

Wait... maybe you don't really like the fact that Roger gave himself up to the marines without fighting ?

Why would I dislike that?? Comparing that to disliking the CP9 key plotline is stupid. Roger giving himself up is a legendary move that makes a character that's supposed to be impressive have a legendary death starting an entire age instead of wasting away of an illness

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Water 7 is arguably the best written arc in all of One Piece.

Sure, it had no huge fight, but there was plot progression every single chapter and hardly any panels were wasted.

The amount of story that was put into those 50 chapters would take about 150 chapters with Oda's current pacing.

I re-read it recently, and while being much better than current stall-piecw, is still vero slow. Symptom present in many arcs like Drum or somewhat skypeia, which has a terrible pacing while being a good arc.
If I had been reading week to week and luffy was gold balled this forum would have imploded

 

[Logiko]

Don't care for it but I didn't dislike it. I was indifferent to Buggy until Impel Down where I became a fan

I don't mind that. Obviously it's weird now with CoO but Oda clearly didn't have that much of a plan for CoO at that point. You could also argue that Shanks was just too agitated to use it properly but IDC

Why would I dislike that?? Comparing that to disliking the CP9 key flashback is stupid. Roger giving himself up is a legendary move that makes a character that's supposed to be impressive have a legendary death starting an entire age instead of wasting away of an illness

No it's not. Those are all narrative choices.

Some are serious, others are goofy. But it's in the CONTRACT of the story that you accept by reading it. You can't start to criticize something that made clear since the beginning.. that's not how it works. I was making a joke and a point here. What I said, are similar to critiks I often see here, either about Sanji, Zoro, Luffy, Yamato, Wano, Egghead, Vegapunk or anything One Piece related.

SOme very serious things are criticized without the understanding of the presence of those things to begin with (which is problematic since the reason for their presence is quite obvious)

People here do not like One Piece. They like their vision of One Piece.

A vision that is very different, less goofy, more robotic, less narrative than One Piece. Without character that have very powerfull but meaningless moments, arcs that goes so fast that you don't even have time to appreciate little details, character that are badass but without substance Etc.

At everypoint of this forum I have demonstrated how people here are projecting their vision of what they want the story to be.

Don't get me wrong. It's ok to want things. But as long as you understand that you don't necessarily need them.

 

[Peroroncino]

This shit was already annoying as a gag now imagine when it became an actual plot point to move fishman island forward, with sanji needing a blood transfusion otherwise he'd die from it.

 

[Buusatan94]

The Wedding Cake.

Sanji's nosebleeds.

Fukurou and his endless talking about everything the Straw Hats should know in Ennies Lobby.

Oden.

Yamato and her I am Oden delusions.

The Tamatebakko box.

Big Mom's amnesia.

The waterfall.

 

[Wano Never Happened]

I'm not story Jesus. Just someone who studied storytelling and Oda's narration a little bit more that the average here. If you think reading One Piece for 15 years alone makes you a One Piece specialist, you have a few things to learns.

Good strawman there at the end.

At this point you really need to just cite the specifics of your degree, because it's hard to imagine it's anything but made up, or anything more than a kindergarten-level certificate. I'd give you the benefit of the doubt, but my god, I can't recall the last time I've spoken to anyone nearly as pretentious as you, despite the fact that there's plenty of people I speak to on a regular basis - for work or otherwise - who are highly likely to have ten times the accolades as you do.

You keep saying you're demonstrating this and that, and providing the best arguments for whatever, but all I see you do in these threads every single time is just throw out empty nonsense like, "it's not bad, it's good," or completely baseless assertions that X plot point has been planned out by Oda since before the pyramids were built.

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

How many chapters of Elbaf were pissed away on a "mystery character" that turned out to be feckin Road? Who cares about the 5th guy in Luffy's tertiary subordinate captain's five man crew? Why is he eating up Elbaf Arc screen time with his nonsense perversions of Nami? Those chapters were so arse, people were speculating that it was actually some cloud cuckoo land dream world. There was nothing cool happening there.

Thing is, the last chapter had the crowd here do a complete 180° in attitude at the mere sight of Loki. Why? Cause he actually looks smeggin cool.

Give the people here a single crumb of something actually, legitimately, unequivocally cool and they easily become quite happy again.

What people want is what Oda used to deliver. That is it.

Wrong Sanji perversions has saved Elbaf... so far

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

No it's not. Those are all narrative choices.

Some are serious, others are goofy. But it's in the CONTRACT of the story that you accept by reading it. You can't start to criticize something that made clear since the beginning.. that's not how it works. I was making a joke and a point here. What I said, are similar to critiks I often see here, either about Sanji, Zoro, Luffy, Yamato, Wano, Egghead, Vegapunk or anything One Piece related.

SOme very serious things are criticized without the understanding of the presence of those things to begin with (which is problematic since the reason for their presence is quite obvious)

People here do not like One Piece. They like their vision of One Piece.

A vision that is very different, less goofy, more robotic, less narrative than One Piece. Without character that have very powerfull but meaningless moments, arcs that goes so fast that you don't even have time to appreciate little details, character that are badass but without substance Etc.

At everypoint of this forum I have demonstrated how people here are projecting their vision of what they want the story to be.

Don't get me wrong. It's ok to want things. But as long as you understand that you don't necessarily need them.

I'm allowed to like certain parts of OP while disliking others lol

And I'm allowed to criticize the parts of it that are lacking compared to both other stories and earlier plotlines in OP

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

This shit was already annoying as a gag now imagine when it became an actual plot point to move fishman island forward, with sanji needing a blood transfusion otherwise he'd die from it.

the blood being in the shape of a fucking mermaid was just plain ridiculous too. seriously wtf was oda doing.