Speculations What would be Sanji's bounty without Judge?

[Maupp]

The only thing Judge influence was the "Dead or Alive" status. There is nothing suggesting Judge influence Sanji's bounty. Sanji earned his bounty by his actions in Dressrosa and WCI.

Check out @Uriel reply to this post.

Technically Sanji hasn't earned any penny bounty wise since his 77m pre skip. But as a SH crew member he was entitled to a 50m increase in DR despite not being part of the events that led to defeating Mingo.

The rest of the increases have been through Judge's influence and Sanji himself acknowledge as much.

 

[Doggo]

The problem with this thread is that it doesnt paint a wide enough scenario to analyze anything.
If we take Judge and the vinsmokes away from the equation, then we remove WCI as whole.
If we remove WCI as whole, then we should question ourselves on how much it was pivotal to that development, that part of the SH's were ahead in Zou.
If it was, then these SH's would have remained in Dressrosa.
If they remained in Dressrosa, Sanji would probably have gotten a match up.
Depending on that match up, we could estimate a bounty for him.

Taking away the main plotline of the entire WCI arc, in order to analyze a "possible" character's development inside that very same arc, is the most idiotic thing imaginable.

Sometimes I stare in awe at how much people drop their ability to come up with simple theoretical scenarios, making completely absurd assumptions that simply make absolutely no fucking sense, just to "prove" a headcanon.

Seriously.

 

[Broreo]

Even without his family name he still would got a high bounty did u saw how sanji made daifuku and oven look really bad the guy even dodge katakuri even after he use fs he was doing really gud against big mom kids without even going all out and remember big new Morgan saw it all along with cpo. And remember if his father had an influence on his bounty why it didnt went up wen it was change to only alive by judge

people dont get a high bounty for dodging jellybeans... they get for defeating enemies (which sanji didnt) and being dangerous for the WG

 

[wereng99]

Check out @Uriel reply to this post.

Technically Sanji hasn't earned any penny bounty wise since his 77m pre skip. But as a SH crew member he was entitled to a 50m increase in DR despite not being part of the events that led to defeating Mingo.

The rest of the increases have been through Judge's influence and Sanji himself acknowledge as much.

So in short sanji is leeching off his bounty, and shamefully take pride in it

 

[Broreo]

The problem with this thread is that it doesnt paint a wide enough scenario to analyze anything.
If we take Judge and the vinsmokes away from the equation, then we remove WCI as whole.
If we remove WCI as whole, then we should question ourselves on how much it was pivotal to that development, that part of the SH's were ahead in Zou.
If it was, then these SH's would have remained in Dressrosa.
If they remained in Dressrosa, Sanji would probably have gotten a match up.
Depending on that match up, we could estimate a bounty for him.

Taking away the main plotline of the entire WCI arc, in order to analyze a "possible" character's development inside that very same arc, is the most idiotic thing imaginable.

Sometimes I stare in awe at how much people drop their ability to come up with simple theoretical scenarios, making completely absurd assumptions that simply make absolutely no fucking sense, just to "prove" a headcanon.

Seriously.

Sanji vs Dellinger would have been WILD AF

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Sanji didn't have his initial bounty like Luffy, Zoro, Robin and fame and notoriety to start off with. His achievement in Alabasta and Enies Lobby was unnoticed + his face didn't captured properly. Canonically, his bounty would be 127 million after Dressrosa and 177 million after WCI. If the Marines decided to witness Sanji's accomplishments from before and have fame and notoriety to start off with then his bounty would be 330 mil or more.

 

[thedarkdragon11]

Ok, let's do some Math...

Current bounty: 330,000,000
Previous bounty: 177,000,000

Current bounty reason: Due to him being a Vinsmoke, believed to be one of the masterminds of BM assassination plot (both directly related to the Vinsmoke plot)
Previous bounty reason: +50,000,000 for being a member of the SHP (completely unrelated to the Vinsmoke plot), another 50,000,000 as requested by Judge aside from the Only Alive tag (directly related to the Vinsmoke plot)

So we nullify his current bounty due to the reason of being related to the Vinsmoke plot... Becomes 177,000,000... Reduce the additional bounty requested by Judge, becomes 127,000,000...

You might say, how about WCI? Even if they just randomly get there and another plot is used, he won't be recognized as a mastermind since that's an exaggeration by the "King of Fake News" Morgans... As with Nami, Chopper, Brook and Jinbe, Sanji gets no bounty increase...

So without Judge, his bounty would be 127,000,000...

 

[HD-Sanji]

Check out @Uriel reply to this post.

Technically Sanji hasn't earned any penny bounty wise since his 77m pre skip. But as a SH crew member he was entitled to a 50m increase in DR despite not being part of the events that led to defeating Mingo.

The rest of the increases have been through Judge's influence and Sanji himself acknowledge as much.

Why would judge use his influence to raise his sons bounty? The only thing he did with his influence was only alive, the second increase wasn't vinsmoke related the only thing was his name was changed. And judge has no reason to try to get his sons bounty higher especiallyafter the wci shit. In reality a higher bounty isn't positive. Sanji was only depressed because of the name being added which is in character. His bounty still increased by being a named head figure in the big mom assassination plot. He would still have a 300 min -330.

 

[Maupp]

Sanji didn't have his initial bounty like Luffy, Zoro, Robin and fame and notoriety to start off with. His achievement in Alabasta and Enies Lobby was unnoticed + his face didn't captured properly. Canonically, his bounty would be 127 million after Dressrosa and 177 million after WCI. If the Marines decided to witness Sanji's accomplishments from before and have fame and notoriety to start off with then his bounty would be 330 mil or more.

That's not quite true either. Government simply didn't feel whatever SH accomplished in Alabasta wasn't enough to earn them bounties. Luffy is the only one who got a bounty for defeating his opponent and that's because it was a Shishibukai.

Zoro didn't get his bounty because he defeated Mr1, just like the rest he didn't get a bounty after defeating the officer. He only for his bounty because he defeated the infamous 100 bounty hunters in Alabasta and that was big enough to the government that they felt compelled to slap a bounty on his head.

Sanji got his EL due like every other SHs. He got his 77m bounty. So far his first and only legit bounty earned. Wano will mark the second time he gets a legit bounty increase due to his own deeds rather than extenuating circumstances and factors(Judge).

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Why would judge use his influence to raise his sons bounty? The only thing he did with his influence was only alive, the second increase wasn't vinsmoke related the only thing was his name was changed. And judge has no reason to try to get his sons bounty higher especiallyafter the wci shit. In reality a higher bounty isn't positive. Sanji was only depressed because of the name being added which is in character. His bounty still increased by being a named head figure in the big mom assassination plot. He would still have a 300 min -330.

Come on man, someone already posted the panel that addressed your point. You either saw them and ignored them or missed the post, bit I tagged you to that post so you should have been able to see it.

Judge got Sanji's bounty increased because it'd give more incentive for hunters to catch him. Judge needed Sanji urgently and motivating hunter with a higher compensation is one way of going about it. Judge post DR influences were charging the bounty to only alive and the rise of the bounty itself. Panels of Reiju stating those facts have been posted in this thread and I tagged you to that post, so I don't even know why you're fighting manga statements.

Sanji didn't get any increase for being a key player to whatever transpired in WCI, none of the SHs did. You don't get bounty increased for being part of some skirmishes. It doesn't happen like that.

Jimbei, Chopper, Nami, Brooke were key players in event that transpired in WCI yet didn't get any increase. Luffy got his due to defeating 2 Yonkou commanders.

Sanji himself stated that his bounty increase had all to do with being associated with the Vinksmokes, nothing to do with his achievement in WCI. Again these are factual canon manga statements, it shouldn't be up for debate.

 

[kom5]

He got +50 Mio in DR without the extra raise he would be 127 Mio in WCI Bege got an increase from 300 to 350 so 50 Mio
Then Sanji without daddy would be at 177 Mio at the end of wci
The Vinsmoke raise and infamity contributed 153 Mio to his increase that's roughly 43% from his 330 Mio bounty
He is trash

 

[bennbeckman]

Proof is in the pudding, actual proof that can only be disputed by ones' own unrealistic headcanon

 

[Zowo]

His bounty would still be 177 million. Judge only affect the Dead or Alive status. That was the only thing that was questionable about the bounty.

no
all strawhats got 50 in dressrosa sanji got 50 more because of judge so his bounty would be 127

 

[Finalbeta]

His bounty would still be 177 million. Judge only affect the Dead or Alive status. That was the only thing that was questionable about the bounty.

What about the prestige of the family? Isn't that accounting as influence?

 

[Sanji D Cook]

What about the prestige of the family? Isn't that accounting as influence?

no
all strawhats got 50 in dressrosa sanji got 50 more because of judge so his bounty would be 127

I'll take the L on this one. I did not know Sanji's bouty was influence also. As to how much Sanji got without Judge's influence is up for debate.

 

[Finalbeta]

I'll take the L on this one. I did not know Sanji's bouty was influence also. As to how much Sanji got without Judge's influence is up for debate.

Lol it's no L really. I mess up too sometimes.

 

[Roronoa-sama]

The problem with this thread is that it doesnt paint a wide enough scenario to analyze anything.
If we take Judge and the vinsmokes away from the equation, then we remove WCI as whole.
If we remove WCI as whole, then we should question ourselves on how much it was pivotal to that development, that part of the SH's were ahead in Zou.
If it was, then these SH's would have remained in Dressrosa.
If they remained in Dressrosa, Sanji would probably have gotten a match up.
Depending on that match up, we could estimate a bounty for him.

Taking away the main plotline of the entire WCI arc, in order to analyze a "possible" character's development inside that very same arc, is the most idiotic thing imaginable.

Sometimes I stare in awe at how much people drop their ability to come up with simple theoretical scenarios, making completely absurd assumptions that simply make absolutely no fucking sense, just to "prove" a headcanon.

Seriously.

the differences are than judge don't increase his wanted to 177 million and the marine doesn't know than sanji is a vismoke

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So in short sanji is leeching off his bounty, and shamefully take pride in it

and he use it to sleep with woman (of course he loses again)

 

[Blother Fertitta]

Factually wrong.

Why is Uriel putting in work? In the cause of Zoro fans.

 

[Finalbeta]

Why is Uriel putting in work? In the cause of Zoro fans.

"Bounties perfectly reflect power levels"

 

[Roronoa-sama]

Sanji didn't have his initial bounty like Luffy, Zoro, Robin and fame and notoriety to start off with. His achievement in Alabasta and Enies Lobby was unnoticed + his face didn't captured properly. Canonically, his bounty would be 127 million after Dressrosa and 177 million after WCI. If the Marines decided to witness Sanji's accomplishments from before and have fame and notoriety to start off with then his bounty would be 330 mil or more.

In alabasta sanji defeated mr2 (i like him but he is not strong) while zoro defeated 100 hunters and mr1 (a famous pirate). Indeed zoro wanted would be 200 million berrys

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

In alabasta sanji defeated mr2 (i like him but he is not strong) while zoro defeated 100 hunters and mr1 (a famous pirate). Indeed zoro wanted would be 200 million berrys

That's why Sanji's bounty wasn't high like the others. If Sanji had fame and beating notorious pirate like Luffy vs Crocodile for example, he would have a much higher bounty right now.