Current Events What Would it Take to Convince You That Kaido is Zoro's Main Fight This Arc?

[ShishioIsBack]

I could write a long essay explaining why Zoro will fight Kaido, but I already did that (twice):

• [Future Events] Zoro will NOT fight Kaido!
• [Future Events] Zoro Will be the MVP (or Runner Up) in the Kaido Fight

I could talk about Yasuie foreshadowing that Zoro will be the one to behead Kaido:

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I could talk about Kaido's desire to die at the hands of a "monster samurai" of the likes of Kozuki Oden:

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I could talk about all the times Zoro has expressed his desire to fight Kaido:

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I could talk about how the 5 Supernova on the Rooftop mirrors Luffy and Law vs Doflamingo and Trebol:

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I could talk about Chapter 1001: "The Decisive Battle of Monsters on Onigashima" or Chapter 1002: "The New Generation vs the Yonkou". I could talk at length about the narrative setup for the New Generation surpassing the old and Oden's prophecy.

I could talk about how Chapter 1002 had a scene that was a perfect mirror of Ryuma's own Dragon Slaying feat:

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I could link others explanation of the case of Zoro slaying Kaido from the latest chapter:

• @Garp the Fist's post
• @KiriNigiri's post

I could mention that Kaido was scared by Zoro's attack this chapter:

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I could point out that Kaido felt Oden's aura from Zoro's blade:

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I could talk about how Big Mom chastised Kaido for greatly underestimating Zoro:

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I could talk about inherited will:

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On how it relates to swords and Enma in particular.

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On the inherited will of Enma to slay Kaido and open Wano's borders:

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I could say a lot of things. Others have said a lot of things.


Man, I'm frustrated. Several honest people genuinely believe that Zoro's main fight this arc is not Kaido. Most of the doubters seem to believe it's King. They apparently expect one of:

• Zoro to be defeated on the Rooftop and then fight King afterwards.
• King to take the initiative to confront Zoro by himself.

The reasons I've seen for the fight are:

• King is Kaido's strongest subordinate and Zoro is Luffy's strongest subordinate.
• King - Queen and Zoro - Sanji have very nice parallels
• Zoro shouldn't jump to fighting top tiers without going through Commanders
• King is a swordsman
• King uses fire abilities
  • Zoro has been foreshadowed to learn how to cut fire

Suffice it to say, that I don't think any of the above reasons hold as much weight as what I mentioned for Zoro facing Kaido.


I don't really care about the disingenuous members of the forum who care more about fandom wars and wanking/shitting on a particular character. I'm just honestly baffled that so many people — posters that have been very reasonable and sensible otherwise — reading the same manga as me genuinely believe that Zoro's main fight this arc is not Kaido.

Help me understand.

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Anyone who voted any answer besides Kaido are either lying to us or to themselves.

Zoro isn't just fighting Kaido he is killing his ass.

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I don't really care about the disingenuous members of the forum who care more about fandom wars and wanking/shitting on a particular character. I'm just honestly baffled that so many people — posters that have been very reasonable and sensible otherwise — reading the same manga as me genuinely believe that Zoro's main fight this arc is not Kaido.

Help me understand.

If someone honestly believes Zoros main fight isn't Kaido, then they smoke crack and snort lines of cocaine.

 

[The White Crane]

I wouldn't mind Zoro vs King.

Like suppose King sees Kaido's about to get beheaded and intervenes. Only for Zoro focus to shift to King for little bit, while Oda can extend Kaido's fight with other SN. Than Zoro one shots King a few chapters latter. That would be glorious

If I recall correctly, back in OJ, there was this one user who said that if Zoro were to one shot a YC, s/he would drop the series faster than the said YC's body drops to the ground.

If s/he is out there, well. :cheers:

I must say, though, even if Zoro one-shotting King were to happen, it won't be the last thing he does this arc. He will rejoin the fight against Kaido right after that.

 

[Garp the Fist]

There is also the sense of the impending doom from the ticking timebomb scenario, or rather lack thereof. I know people are saying it's Onigashima being dropped on the Flower capital, but outside of Big Mom, nobody, anywhere even knows that's the plan. This whole situation just feels like Oda is giving the illusion that this is supposed to be the Final Confrontation, but if you compare it to how that is setup in other arcs, it's very flimsy.

It’s like the Birdcage. For thirty odd chapters the Birdcage didn’t move, and we didn’t know that it could. It just stood there stopping anyone getting in or out.

It was only after every single Donquixote Pirate except Doffy himself and Trenol was defeated, that it became a real threat that needed to be combated. Luffy and Doflamingo started fighting in 759, the Birdcage didn’t start moving until 780. Onigashima is the same- it is the bomb, but the timer hasn’t started yet.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

But Kaido is Luffy's main fight?

 

[ShishioIsBack]

But Kaido is Luffy's main fight?

Zoro is new main character
Look at global popularity poll

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When Zoro said "I WILL CUT KAIDO TO PIECES" it caused an earthquake

 

[MagmaDog]

Some good crack would convince me maybe.

 

[Hedfi]

I would be really disappointed if Zoro doesn't get 1 on 1 fight this arc.

Besides Kaido won't be Zoro's main fight in Wano unless Kaido put some respect on Zoro's name or even at least acknowledge his presence instead of just Enma and bloody Oden.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

I would be really disappointed if Zoro doesn't get 1 on 1 fight this arc.

Besides Kaido won't be Zoro's main fight in Wano unless Kaido put some respect on Zoro's name or even at least acknowledge his presence instead of just Enma and bloody Oden.

Acknowledging Enma is acknowledging Zoro.
Enma is nothing without Zoros Godly CoA but a piece of metal.

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Some good crack would convince me maybe.

That right there just proves it that every Zoro hater on this forum is a crack head as I have been saying this entire time.

If you need Crack to cope with reality, you should be at a Rehab center not on a weeb forum right now lol.

 

[Cinera]

He will fight King, then fight Kaido with SNs

He's already fighting Kaido now though?

Zoro didn't terrify them either, but rather they realized that he represents a threat, like when Luffy used Red Roc against Kaido. One thing is fear and another respect.

This is Kaido:

And this is Big Mom:

Kaido was afraid, Mama was terrified. Pretending that the above reactions are respect is disingenuous.

Regarding King, we haven't seen him fight seriously nor do we know anything about his powers.

We know he's a swordsman and uses fire abilities.

No. They've been saying King vs Sanji all this time. Why switch up?

Those aren't the same people.

 

[Hedfi]

Acknowledging Enma is acknowledging Zoro.
Enma is nothing without Zoros Godly CoA but a piece of metal.

I'd have loved that to be true but sadly that's not what happened the last chapter.

It's like an adult letting kids beat him up cause they're weak in his eyes when suddenly a kid pulls a knife of a gun in the middle of the fight. Clearly the weapon was the source of the menace like Enma and freaking Oden's aura or whatever were last chapter.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

He's already fighting Kaido now though?




This is Kaido:

And this is Big Mom:

Kaido was afraid, Mama was terrified. Pretending that the above reactions are respect is disingenuous.



We know he's a swordsman and uses fire abilities.



Those aren't the same people.

They are bro. When Kaido vs Zoro was looking sure shot, they wanted to drag down Zoro to Sanjis level bc King/Queen are near each ofher

 

[ShishioIsBack]

I'd have loved that to be true but sadly that's not what happened the last chapter.

It's like an adult letting kids beat him up cause they're weak in his eyes when suddenly a kid pulls a knife of a gun in the middle of the fight. Clearly the weapon was the source of the menace like Enma and freaking Oden's aura or whatever were last chapter.

That is literally not true because Zoros Haki was forming Gol D Roger like aura, it was Zoros technique that he used pre TS, and Big Mom said "You underestimated him".

All it takes is basic ability to read and you know 100% of credit goes to Zoro. Enma is nothing without Zoro but a piece of scrap metal that no one wants anything to do with.

Btw last chapter showed Zoros Haki is even greater than Odens with him producing far larger DC and much bigger aura.

 

[Hedfi]

That is literally not true because Zoros Haki was forming Gol D Roger like aura, it was Zoros technique that he used pre TS, and Big Mom said "You underestimated him".

All it takes is basic ability to read and you know 100% of credit goes to Zoro. Enma is nothing without Zoro but a piece of scrap metal that no one wants anything to do with.

Btw last chapter showed Zoros Haki is even greater than Odens with him producing far larger DC and much bigger aura.

You're tripping man, that was clearly fire around Enma. Oda never drew Haki like that.

True Big Mom said "You underestimated him" she didn't know he'd pull a gun out of nowhere. It was clearly Enma (The gun) the source of her worry not Zoro.

I'm not taking credit from Zoro for being able to use Enma although it appears to tire him easily last chapter, but what I'm not happy about is that the source of menace that Big Mom sensed and Kaido felt was clearly Enma and Oden's aura not Zoro.

Saying Zoro's Haki is greater than Oden is bullshit at this point of the manga and a clear headcanon. Zoro would have to leave a permanent scar on Kaido's body to at least prove that he's equal to Oden not cut a freaking horn made of rock.

 

[Finalbeta]

How is Enma even as strong as Shusui let alone being worthy labeling any further?

Nothing in the series suggests its AP is even remotely as good as some people claim.

No soul or spirit of Oden was ever remotely unraveled or spotted.

 

[zador]

Oda stated that "I'm yet to know how Luffy would defeat Kaidou", so obviously in the end they will fight 1v1 (final showdown in act 4)


I like Zoro, but he has the most delusional fans in OP

 

[ShishioIsBack]

You're tripping man, that was clearly fire around Enma. Oda never drew Haki like that.

True Big Mom said "You underestimated him" she didn't know he'd pull a gun out of nowhere. It was clearly Enma (The gun) the source of her worry not Zoro.

I'm not taking credit from Zoro for being able to use Enma although it appears to tire him easily last chapter, but what I'm not happy about is that the source of menace that Big Mom sensed and Kaido felt was clearly Enma and Oden's aura not Zoro.

Saying Zoro's Haki is greater than Oden is bullshit at this point of the manga and a clear headcanon. Zoro would have to leave a permanent scar on Kaido's body to at least prove that he's equal to Oden not cut a freaking horn made of rock.

That was not fucking fire, when has fire ever ever been that dark?

Its literally Gol D Roger tendril, Zoro had same tendril but to much lower level when he cut the cliff. And Zoros Haki literally shot out of his blade cutting the horn 5 Kms away while Odens Haki didn't shoot out of his sword. He was surprised when Gol D Roger can fight WB without touching blades while Zoro would have massacred Kaido if Big Mom didn't alarm him and Kaido didn't dodge and without even touching Kaido cuz his Haki shoots.

When has Odens Haki been thst ghastly?

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Oda stated that "I'm yet to know how Luffy would defeat Kaidou", so obviously in the end they will fight 1v1 (final showdown in act 4)


I like Zoro, but he has the most delusional fans in OP

Zoro defeating Kaido is also Luffys win right?

I don't even like Zoro but he has the most crack headed brain dead haters in OP

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I'm not taking credit from Zoro for being able to use Enma although it appears to tire him easily last chapter, but what I'm not happy about is that the source of menace that Big Mom sensed and Kaido felt was clearly Enma and Oden's aura not Zoro.

Big Mom just sensed menace from Zoro because that Katana is in hands of Zoro with Zoros Haki on it and Zoros Gol D Roger like Haki aura. Obviously its not an average Katana, like Shushui is not, Zoro was constantly complementing Shushui, does thst take away from Zoro? Sword Master makes the sword, Zoro doesn't make Enma. It is not Odens sword anymore, it is Zoros and it belongs more to Zoro anyways because Zoro would make Enma permanently black.

Also Kaido is a little bitch who senses Oden in anything that scares him, its his PTSD. Man was sensing Odens Ryou in scabbards as well so that takes away from Oden.

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

That was not fucking fire, when has fire ever ever been that dark?

Its literally Gol D Roger tendril, Zoro had same tendril but to much lower level when he cut the cliff.

It's just the visual effect of the fire from that technique, exactly the same as used against Ryuma; not "Roger tendril" (not even black) nor even haki tendril at all, probably, considering that said tendril (and colored haki, for the matter) is a recent aesthetic choice that wasn't a thing in Thriller Bark times.

 

[Hedfi]

That was not fucking fire, when has fire ever ever been that dark?

Its literally Gol D Roger tendril, Zoro had same tendril but to much lower level when he cut the cliff. And Zoros Haki literally shot out of his blade cutting the horn 5 Kms away while Odens Haki didn't shoot out of his sword. He was surprised when Gol D Roger can fight WB without touching blades while Zoro would have massacred Kaido if Big Mom didn't alarm him and Kaido didn't dodge and without even touching Kaido cuz his Haki shoots.

When has Odens Haki been thst ghastly?

"That was not fucking fire, when has fire ever ever been that dark?"

LoL, you know that technique produces blue fire right. Besides go back to the TB arc and see Ryuma when he caught on fire after Zoro's attack. It's practically the same.

For the rest of your point about God D. Roger, Oden and Zoro, all I'm going to say is Lmao that's headcanon.

 

[HA001]

"That was not fucking fire, when has fire ever ever been that dark?"

LoL, you know that technique produces blue fire right. Besides go back to the TB arc and see Ryuma when he caught on fire after Zoro's attack. It's practically the same.

For the rest of your point about God D. Roger, Oden and Zoro, all I'm going to say is Lmao that's headcanon.

Actually that never happened.
There was never any fire on his sword in thriller bark. The wound ignited. This isnt the same.

 

[Zowo]

Actually that never happened.
There was never any fire on his sword in thriller bark. The wound ignited. This isnt the same.

aura is blue fire with haki