Break Week When/If Zoro gets Nidai Kitetsu ?

[kumae]

Yes, Shusui is a national treasure and Momonosuke is the future Shogun of Wano as well as the son of the man who saved its citizens years ago. His grandfather was the Shogun before him and Momonosuke himself is about to become a hero by preventing Onigashima from destroying the Flower Capital. If he's not worthy of Shusui with such a curriculum then I don't know what it would take to deserve it.

"Katanas must remain with their masters in their graves"

 

[Lunaria]

"Katanas must remain with their masters in their graves"

Then I guess Ame and Enma will remain with Oden after the raid.

Of course he's not. Shusui was there when oden was there and they didn't use it. They pray to it.

It got stolen by Moria before Oden returned to Wano and became a hero.

 

[HA001]

Then I guess Ame and Enma will remain with Oden after the raid.



It got stolen by Moria before Oden returned to Wano and became a hero.

No leaving swords in graves is a shimotuki tradition not a kozuki
Oden gave his swords to his kids


Oden was already in good standing when he turned kuri around and became a daimyo. Still ain't touching shusui.

 

[Finalbeta]

I can see Zoro placing Wado to Kuina's grave after his goal is fulfilled. If that happens perhaps he will indeed roll with Shodai Kitetsu one day. 🤔

 

[kumae]

Then I guess Ame and Enma will remain with Oden after the raid.

There are two points with this
1-if zoro found out about he is a Shimotsuki he will stay with it and give Enma to momo(turning Enma black first)or he decides to stay with nidai or ushimaru sword since he was his dad/grandpa
2-Hiyori was the owner of Enma and she gave it to him"she was the portrayal and decide what to do with it

 

[Lunaria]

No leaving swords in graves is a shimotuki tradition not a kozuki
Oden gave his swords to his kids


Oden was already in good standing when he turned kuri around and became a daimyo. Still ain't touching shusui.

Then he chose to become an outlaw and when he returned, lost people's respect for dancing naked in the streets since they didn't know the real reason he was doing it. Not really an ideal context to be considered worthy of Shusui.

Yes, Oden chose to give his swords to his kids, and Ryuma chose to give his sword to Zoro. So Ryuma himself never wanted his sword to be burried with him.

 

[HA001]

Then he chose to become an outlaw and when he returned, lost people's respect for dancing naked in the streets since they didn't know the real reason he was doing it. Not really an ideal context to be considered worthy of Shusui.

Yes, Oden chose to give his swords to his kids, and Ryuma chose to give his sword to Zoro. So Ryuma himself never wanted his sword to be burried with him.

No he didnt. That was Brooks shadow in ryumas body. It wasn't ryuma.
Oden isn't a Shimotsuki from Ringo
Only they Bury their swords at their graves

 

[Lunaria]

No he didnt. That was Brooks shadow in ryumas body. It wasn't ryuma.
Oden isn't a Shimotsuki from Ringo
Only they Bury their swords at their graves

The original owner's personality is only here at the beginning and disappears over time to embrace its new owner, which was Ryuma. Ryuma's soul wasn't there but in a way, it was still a reflection of Ryuma and his principles. If he chose to give his sword to Zoro, I'm pretty sure the real Ryuma would have wanted this otherwise it would mean Zoro never really deserved it.

 

[HA001]

The original owner's personality is only here at the beginning and disappears over time to embrace its new owner, which was Ryuma. Ryuma's soul wasn't there but in a way, it was still a reflection of Ryuma and his principles. If he chose to give his sword to Zoro, I'm pretty sure the real Ryuma would have wanted this otherwise it would mean Zoro never really deserved it.

No it wasn't.
No it didn't.
The opposite happens over time they become more like whoevers shadow it is.
Zoro would be negged by the real ryuma at that point.

 

[Lunaria]

No it wasn't.
No it didn't.
The opposite happens over time they become more like whoevers shadow it is.
Zoro would be negged by the real ryuma at that point.

No, over time they lose the original owner's personality, it's been explained and shown with Oars and the penguin having Sanji's shadow.

I don't see what Human Ryuma's strength has anything to do with our discussion.

 

[fanboy]

Zoro needs an original sword made specifically for him.

 

[HA001]

No, over time they lose the original owner's personality, it's been explained and shown with Oars and the penguin having Sanji's shadow.

I don't see what Human Ryuma's strength has anything to do with our discussion.

When they go past that they don't revert to type they become under moriahs full control that's all. At no point do they be the actual body ie ryuma zombie be ryuma

 

[BakiDou]

He is already breaking without relying on his heavy hitters though. 🤔

He works rly hard to break that wooden mask

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

What's the deity above Ashura?
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Sandai breaking would be so bad ngl.

Honestly, there is so many different types of Gods, Devils and Demi Gods out there. Oda isn't really limited to just Hindu mythology. But the one that does sit above all in Hinduism is Brahman, who coincidentally enough shares a similar name of a character that Zoro fought on Skypiea, which is an arc that heavily parallels Wano.

 

[Mezo]

NO, among the each meito grade each blade is ranked from strongest to weakest.

Yoru is the strongest meito in the world because it was made a black blade, Mihawk and Tashigi have confirmed this that kokuto yoru is the strongest blade in the world.
Hitetsu also said this pretty clearly that if Zoro manages to make Enma a black blade that it would increase in "rank" meaning among the 21 great grade blades it would probably rank first among those blades.

Never was it ever stated that Enma will magically change its grade from great grade to supreme grade.

That is literally all headcanon, black Enma will become a supreme grade just like Wado will, otherwise Zoro will never have a supreme grade sword.

 

[Shasha23]

That is literally all headcanon, black Enma will become a supreme grade just like Wado will, otherwise Zoro will never have a supreme grade sword.

so what the manga said is headcanon and your delusions are fact...........alright

 

[BleakAsh]

He’ll get it after the raid and before leaving Wano. It’ll be his next big power up, he’ll leave Sandai in wano and take Nidai with him for the rest of the journey.

technically it won't be a powerup seeing it won't have as drastically convenient peraks and some drawbacks to ir
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ig its sharper than the 3rd..since you literally see Luffy cutting swords

 

[Mezo]

so what the manga said is headcanon and your delusions are fact...........alright

The manga said Enma will increase it's rank in Zoro's hands, everything else are your delusions.

 

[nik87]

The manga said Enma will increase it's rank in Zoro's hands, everything else are your delusions.

so what the manga said is headcanon and your delusions are fact...........alright

Let's wait and see.

 

[thodoris5321]

It's possible that Hitetsu will give him the Nidai Kitetsu at the end of Wano if he learn Zoro's heritage. It will also be only logic that Zoro will give Hitetsu his own sword then, his creation, the Sandai Kitetsu.

I'm also expecting some backstory about the Shodai Kitetsu and the Nidai Kitetsu (something like, the Nidai Kitetsu was made to surpass and destroy the Shodai Kitetsu cause of "reasons", and the same goes for Sandai but it wasn't as good, maybe)