General & Others Who still thinks Zoro surpasses Oden this arc ?
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Then it's irrelevant to begin with. Unless we have an actual statement on Zoro's strength compared to Oden in this arc then it'll be fair game to say he's as strong or stronger since he'll end up stronger, right?
And what I would bet is that the only statement regarding strength in comparison will be favorable. Like we won't get "not as good but good enough Roronoa."
And what I would bet is that the only statement regarding strength in comparison will be favorable. Like we won't get "not as good but good enough Roronoa."
We will also get favorable statments for Luffy, but we can differentiate between him being on his way to surpassing Roger later, and him already surpassing Roger now.
Just because we know a certain character will eventually surpass another, we can still discuss if we've reached that point or is going to happe later down the line.
For example it was odd to me how @Garp the Fist said that he thinks Oden/Rayleigh are both pretty much equivalent of Zoro in Roger's crew, and at the same time believes Zoro will surpass Oden in Wano.
Naturally that would imply that Luffy also surpasses his equivalent in Wano, so we should advocate for Luffy > Roger by the end of this arc to go with Zoro > Oden.
Just because we know a certain character will eventually surpass another, we can still discuss if we've reached that point or is going to happe later down the line.
For example it was odd to me how @Garp the Fist said that he thinks Oden/Rayleigh are both pretty much equivalent of Zoro in Roger's crew, and at the same time believes Zoro will surpass Oden in Wano.
Naturally that would imply that Luffy also surpasses his equivalent in Wano, so we should advocate for Luffy > Roger by the end of this arc to go with Zoro > Oden.
See I don't understand that because Roger was well above Oden. Zoro can exceed him here and all that does is set them up to then be on par with Roger and Rayleigh in the next arc
Given that for now, they still need to team up to overcome the highest level of opponents (obviously with Kaido being stronger now than he was back then)
Given that for now, they still need to team up to overcome the highest level of opponents (obviously with Kaido being stronger now than he was back then)
Well it depends on how strong you think Oden is. Like i gave the example in the post you quoted, some think Rayleigh = Oden or Oden > Rayleigh even.
Depending on what the hype he's getting right now is meant to mean, it would be impossible for Zoro to already surpass him, and then have so much room to grow.
The way i see it, Luffy is not already surpassing Roger, Whitebeard or even Shanks by the end of this arc from the shadows behind him, so Zoro should not be surpassing Oden either.
It takes being very charitable towards Zoro and give him more credit than the MC in terms of already surpassing his past gen equivalents to say otherwise.
Depending on what the hype he's getting right now is meant to mean, it would be impossible for Zoro to already surpass him, and then have so much room to grow.
The way i see it, Luffy is not already surpassing Roger, Whitebeard or even Shanks by the end of this arc from the shadows behind him, so Zoro should not be surpassing Oden either.
It takes being very charitable towards Zoro and give him more credit than the MC in terms of already surpassing his past gen equivalents to say otherwise.
How is it irrelevant for this arc when we are talking about the strength in this arc? You are bringing up age and what Zoro will be and whatnot, all irrelevant.
Me no comprendo.
Visual showcasing, as a visual medium should do, and the parameters have been set, or at least logical to assume.
Zoro and Oden are very similar fighters, there should not be a big difference in respective stats.
Zoro turning his blade black in this arc -> he is better/stronger.
Zoro making a similar new scar -> he is as good as Oden or close to it (considering Oden went through the pirates and confronted Kaidou in 1vs1.
Zoro reopening the scar -> better than scabbards, lower than Oden (by Kaido´s own words).
We don´t need a Togashi style several page long analysis to see that´s the case, it´s really the easiest way in One Piece we ever had to compare two fighters.
Similar style, fighting same opponent, even using the same weapon.
Me no comprendo.
Visual showcasing, as a visual medium should do, and the parameters have been set, or at least logical to assume.
Zoro and Oden are very similar fighters, there should not be a big difference in respective stats.
Zoro turning his blade black in this arc -> he is better/stronger.
Zoro making a similar new scar -> he is as good as Oden or close to it (considering Oden went through the pirates and confronted Kaidou in 1vs1.
Zoro reopening the scar -> better than scabbards, lower than Oden (by Kaido´s own words).
We don´t need a Togashi style several page long analysis to see that´s the case, it´s really the easiest way in One Piece we ever had to compare two fighters.
Similar style, fighting same opponent, even using the same weapon.
Zoro might actually use a two sword style technique to reopen Kaido's scar.
Zoro is very likely to replace his Sandai Kitetsu with Nidai Kitetsu by the end of Wano, so for that to be a necessity the Sandai might get destroyed.
So it could be the Wado Ichimonji and Enma that are used to reopen the scar made by Oden :kizabat:
Zoro is very likely to replace his Sandai Kitetsu with Nidai Kitetsu by the end of Wano, so for that to be a necessity the Sandai might get destroyed.
So it could be the Wado Ichimonji and Enma that are used to reopen the scar made by Oden :kizabat:
