Questions & Mysteries Why are some people considering Oden to be levels below Mihawk ?

XGoldrogeRX · Oct 18, 2020

oden comparable to kaido when mihawk comparabe to young snot shanks.
this same oden was the man who already conquer new world alongside roger and rayleigh. aokiji wont wreck him lmao. aokiji or kizaru couldnt even wreck marco or oldman rayleigh and prime oden standing atop both of marco and old retire rayleigh.

King7 · Oct 18, 2020

XGoldrogeRX said:

Ok so ? Mihawk could very well wasn't in his prime at that time , he was 23 years old .

and Oden loses to Hybrid Kaido , badly . he's closer to Base Kaido .

notice how Oden's best feat is against Kaido's clown form , he was still comparable to Base Kaido though .

so while he was quite strong , he never showed anything , that suggests he would be able to compete with Hybrid Kaido .

XGoldrogeRX said:

and he was behind Roger and Rayleigh . which doesn't make him superior to Mihawk/Aokiji/Kizaru

XGoldrogeRX said:

i said Awakened Aokiji would wreck him . Aokiji who fought Awakened Akainu for 10 days and completely changed Punk Hazard as a side effect of their fight ( side effect because they were trying to defeat each other not changing the island )

Aokiji who was shown before that , in Marineford , was comparable to Oden . if Oden were to defeat him it won't be less than High Diff

and Awakened Aokiji is portrayed to be on an entirely different level , far above Aokiji that was shown in MF

Awakened Kizaru or Awakened Fujitora also likely would wreck Oden assuming they are comparable to Awakened Akainu/Aokiji .

Oden also would fight with Rayleigh equally if he's just given 10 minutes to fight him , Marco maybe Oden could overwhelm him since Armament Haki seems to work better against Marco's Regen

XGoldrogeRX said:

Prime Oden > Marco , but it's debatable with Old Rayleigh . i think i'd back Rayleigh

XGoldrogeRX · Oct 18, 2020

King7 said:

mihawk wasnt his prime back then so what? what mihawk biggest feat against alive person except fight young snot shanks?
mihawk biggest feat is fight innanimate things lol.
oden lose to kaido but he gave kaido traumatized and lifetime scar.
same happen to shanks when weak dfless blackbeard gave him lifetime scar. what mihawk do to shanks lol

oden on wbp fight roger's crew for 3 days straight. who tf you think in whitebeard's side could handle prime rayleigh except oden? marco? jozu? vista? lol

wbp at that time consist with bunch of apprentices thats why wb make oden as second man in crew since he is the strongest there no one argue about that.

aokiji cant wreck oden. oden slaughter him. this man have advance coa and has great cqc. aokiji couldnt even wreck marco. kizaru couldnt scracth 75 years old rayleigh. and fujitora couldnt properly damage sabo. all of them in fair 1 vs 1 fight.

he wasnt behind rayleigh. Ray is the firstmate from the start. roger without oden and whitebeard wouldnt become pk. that's why he bow down to wb to ask oden join. but in power standpoint both wbp and roger fight equally for 3 days because roger has rayleigh as right hand while wb has oden as secondman.both oden and rayleigh depicted equal just like roger equal to whitebeard.but soon after roger get oden on their ship, roger pirates were unstoppable.

for sure he wasnt behind mihawks. in pirating oden stomps mihawks lol. mihawk just retire pirates who seeking wg protection by join shichibukai. he has 0 feat in pirating except fight young snot shanks.

trav · Oct 18, 2020

angst. mostly.

XGoldrogeRX · Oct 18, 2020

сука said:

roger doesnt have black blade. he didnt even beat wb. doesnt mean he is weaker. ryuma is overrated. oden has tamed new world alongside roger as roger most important key. and that was biggest individual feat compare just slaying dragon.

that black blade doesnt do shit. it couldnt even scratch buggy.

mihawk doesnt beat everyone. who he beat? he couldnt beat young snot shanks. while dfless blackbeard gave young shanks lifetime scar.

King7 · Oct 18, 2020

XGoldrogeRX said:

yea , the fights which Whitebeard remembered and called legendary

XGoldrogeRX said:

his duels with > 20 years old Shanks are very likely more impressive than cutting iceberg , even though they are off-screen

XGoldrogeRX said:

yea , he did that when Kaido was in his clown , jobber form . and scars are more like personal or emotional attachments , like Akainu to Luffy

XGoldrogeRX said:

actually Shanks implied he has more scars than that eye one . and he implied Mihawk was capable of scarring him with saying "this scar doesn't come from Hawk Eyes" or smth like that

again , scar is like an emotional attachment , it's not suited to judge power level usually . Luffy's scar aches in FI when Jinbe mentioned Akainu , WB's scar aches when he saw Shanks ( probably because of Roger )

Zoro was put through Mr. 1's saw blade in Alabasta , yet he didn't have scar afterwards , when Mihawk scarred him with a casual slash not meant to kill him .

i think this is because only certain characters are chosen to scar some others , characters who are important enough
( Mihawk was important enough , Mr. 1 wasn't )

XGoldrogeRX said:

it eventually turned into a looting battle though

and how are you so certain that Oden was fighting Rayleigh alone ? it's possible but most of the thing was off-screened

XGoldrogeRX said:

ya he was strongest after WB .

XGoldrogeRX said:

this is how i see Aokiji vs Oden going :

- Non Awakened Aokiji ( that was shown in MF ) with Ice Age , Pheasant Beak , Ice Partisan , Ice Time etc. ,

matches Oden equally , Oden has Tougen Totsuka , Tougen Shirataki , Gan Modoki as his attacks

i think both will damage each other . so at this point the difficulty is already sealed as a High Diff one

- and then Aokiji uses Awakening , the same Awakening he used to match full power/Awakened Akainu

Aokiji one shots Oden . Awakened Aokiji is portrayed to be on an entirely different level than the Marineford/Non Awakened one , and Oden never showed any power - up that suggests he would be able to compete with Aokiji in this state , who completely changed Punk Hazard as a side effect of his fight with Akainu

Hybrid Kaido would one shot Oden . Awakened Kizaru would one shot Oden , any other top tier at their full power would one shot Oden , even old Rayleigh/Sengoku/Garp/Kong

XGoldrogeRX said:

- Aokiji showed 1 type of Advanced CoA
( Barrier Haki ) , to partially block Whitebeard's Quake
- Aokiji also showed great enough close combat feat of stopping Whitebeard to Quake Marines before it was done , and then morph his body around Whitebeard's Bisento , and then almost stabbed Whitebeard with Partisan before Jozu saved WB

XGoldrogeRX said:

when did Aokiji and Marco ever clash ? i don't remember even mere 1 panel showing them clash with each other

XGoldrogeRX said:

yea , but Kizaru was actually pressuring him as Rayleigh was huffing and puffing when Kizaru didn't .

besides , they only had a short fight/skirmish/clash for like 5 or 10 minutes

i'm not convinced Oden could scratch Rayleigh if he's given that short of a time frame .

XGoldrogeRX said:

you referring to their Dressrosa short fight right ? Fuji was actually using Sabo as an excuse , for citizens to see he couldn't get past Sabo

this is because he didn't want to help Doflamingo iirc . this is a part of his agenda of abolishing Warlords .

and Sabo even said "i've got lady luck on my side" , it seems this implied Sabo thought Fuji was capable of steamrolling him

in another panel Sabo said Fuji was "how long are you going to play dumb?" ( catching that Fuji was basically playing with him )

and then in 761 , Maynard was shocked of the result of their ( short ) fight being a draw

he then responded further to the draw result with "that's ridicolous!! , he's an HQ Admiral!" , "the greatest fighting force in the navy's arsenal!!!" , implying he thought Fuji or any other Admiral could've steamrolled Sabo , even though their fight was in a short time frame

Cyrus the Cactus · Oct 18, 2020

Albino 👑 said:

Well, Zoro and Oden share a sword between them. If Zoro can turn Enma black but Oden couldn’t, why isn’t it logical to say Zoro > Oden? Maybe people overhyped Oden like they overhyped Kaido?

LANJI CUCKSMOKE said:

It’s hilarious that people know enough about Shanks’ fighting style to say he isn’t a swordsman, but they can’t tell what else he uses or provide any panels.

Guess we should start saying Mihawk isn’t just a swordsman too. There’s just as much evidence for Mihawk as there is for Shanks.

Albino 👑 · Oct 18, 2020

Cyrus the Cactus said:

Hes still doin something rayleigh, shanks, and roger haven't either
If him getting a black blade puts him over oden it puts it over them too

Well unless enma is some magical sword that makes doing it easier compared to other swords

Sword God Ryuma · Oct 18, 2020

zaman said:

1.Shanks not stronger than Mihawk
2. Are you saying Swordsman are not Swordsman because of CoC? So are they Swordsman if they have CoA and CoO. The argument is clown level worthy

zaman · Oct 18, 2020

Sword God Ryuma said:

Shanks IS stronger : mihawk wasn't able to beat a rookie non yonko shanks, while his progression despite losing an arm made him a yonko and mihawk was hiding behind it to not be beaten by Him. he did same trick to hide himself from marines -
by Beeing a ssbk - butt was ok to toy with rookies.
strong with weaks, weak with strong ones.

2. well, i Said that when you have coc you'r not a mère swordman but more than that and Can possibly not have the best swordmanship but still be stronger than one who IS.

Rukusho · Oct 18, 2020

zaman said:

Sorry mate but it makes absolutely 0 sense.

Here are some Shanks moments with his sword making him a swordsman.

Chapter 1 - carries his sword everywhere on the island
Ace Novel - When Shanks coc doesn’t work he grabs his sword and is ready to fight
Ace Novel - is known for his bouts with Mihawk (this help make Shanks more notorious)
Jolly Roger - similar to Zoro has two swords through a skull
Mihawk vivre card directly states he wants to fight someone stronger than Shanks

there’s plenty more proving he’s a swordsman not sure what the hubbub is about with him being one.

CbShadow · Oct 18, 2020

zaman said:

Please provide the scene or fact supporting the following:

- Mihawk never beat a none Yonko Shanks.
- Mihawk never fought Shanks after he lost his arm or became a Yonko

You do nothing but post headcannon.

To actually call someone a "has been" you have to have an idea of their current strength and be able to compare to their previous strength.

There's no reason Mihawk would not have also improved over time as well. You and others talk about young Shanks like Mihawk is 15 plus years older. He's only two or three years older.

Mihawk doesn't hide. He just uses the warlord status to his advantage just like they all do. Instead of always having to deal with the Marines one way or another its smart to become a warlord so they don't bother you. Even WB and his crew ran away from the Marines.

Zowo · Oct 18, 2020

HA001 said:

think it was chaves or jacketo who said oden ain t a swordsman :suresure:

whoever said that shit is a clown :milaugh:

zaman · Oct 18, 2020

Rukusho said:

who Said he isn't ?
i Said he is more than that, and especially more versatile and with more progression capabilities due to having COC, which is something you inherit, opposed to a black Sword that you Can make.
in order to be the strongest you need genetics and work.Mihawk doesn't have the first.

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CbShadow said:

1. Well because it wasn't stated that they were any winner in their battles when shanks was a rookie humiliated by a df less BB and when Mihawk was already the WSS.

2. he Never fought him he Said it : i on fight one arm shanks. and it was After losing his arm that he became yonko while Mihawk didn't got any story développement this High from oda

CbShadow · Oct 18, 2020

zaman said:

And this is part of the problem. For some characters everybody wants to talk about how they could have more ability, skill and/or power then what have been shown. Yet, for Mihawk it's the direct opposite. He can't do anything else.

We still no very little about Mihawk, just like Shanks. The databook stated that his original power was supposed to be clairvoyance, which we know is FS. Does he still have that? Who knows. It's been applied that he created a black blade and we still don't know what exactly is needed to create it and the full benefits to having it. I believe a black blade, or the ability to create one, allows swordsman to stop their sword from breaking and block any attack including powerful ryuo. Regardless it's a big deal because Oda is making a big deal.

zaman · Oct 18, 2020

CbShadow said:

I agree both positions are questionable : Putting him too high or too low while we don't know much about it or about Shanks.
But, that's was my point : To address those who put him in the top tier tier among the top tiers, aka the strongest in the current verse, while there is literally nothing to suggest it, but for the opposite actually there are more arguments.
Yet in this forum, a lot of individuals are claiming this.
I was actually quite liking the character of mihawk and of some admirals before coming here, seeing low IQ sentences and sentient, and eventually i just became indifferent to them.

CbShadow · Oct 18, 2020

zaman said:

1 - We still don't know when Shanks received his scar or how it happened. It could have been a very dirty trick from BB like when one of his crewmates were trying to feed the Straw hats poisonous apples.

We don't know when Mihawk became the WSS. Or when Mihawk stop fighting Shanks. We only know that Mihawk was a famous swordsman prior to Rogers death.

We do know Mihawk is the WSS not Shanks.

2 - Mihawk never said he didn't either. He just said he's not going to fight a "one arm has been". To me the key word is "has been". Think about it. Shank with one arm became a Yonko, clashed with WB and stopped an attack from an Admiral. The databook even says, Mihawk is waiting for an opponent to surpass Shanks. That not only proves Shanks is still a powerful swordsman, even with one arm, but Mihawk considers him very powerful and the second strongest swordsman in the world. How would Mihawk come to that conclusion if they didn't fight. They're not just rivals they're also friends. You would think out of respect Mihawk would give Shanks the opportunity to prove he's still a powerful swordsman with one arm.

zaman said:

I understand what you're saying but we have to look at this manga and how it works and how similar manga works. In these type of mangas the later the character fights in a series battle, the stronger they usually are. Since Zoro's goal is to beat Mihawk and become the WSS that means every time we see Zoro beat a swordsman or any opponent that's not Mihawk and become stronger from that fight to prepare himself to beat Mihawk that puts Mihawk on a higher level. Right now, Zoro is working to create a black blade, surpass Oden, and help beat all of the threats to Wano.

Mihawk is the WSS. That is really important because Oda decided to make that a separate title then the WSM title. Those are titles that can be held by the same person or two separate people.

There's a lot to support that Mihawk is incredibly powerful and easil within the top five. Since Wano we have learned any more about swordsmanship, how important haki and how deadly/powerful a swordsman is with powerful ryuo.

Based on that I believe swordsmanship can be broken into four main parts and if you master all four to the highest level you will be one of the strongest of of your time and ever.

1- basic to advanced swordsmanship skills that teaches users the ability to properly use a sword. The stance, attack, block, and anything else related to that.

2 - physical strength, this allows swordsman to perform range attacks and push their cutting attack completely through the object they are cutting, as long as they have the skills or strength needed to cut a thick or hard object. This also gives them the strength needed to stop attacks so they're not thrown back by the strength of the attack they are blocking.

3 - haki, which includes everything from invisible haki to blacken haki and barrier haki or power ryuo. This ability allows the swordsman to cut what they want to cut and not cut what they don't want to cut.

4 - black blade. This ability allows a swordsman to forge a black blade which stops their sword from being broken. This is the rarest ability and the strongest out of all of the 4 I talked about. If a swordsman sword(s) are broken in a fight
they have lost so the black blade stops a users powerful ryuo. Understand, I'm not just talking about possessing a black blade. A black blade maybe incredibly hard and strong but it doesn't retain any haki so to be that strong it requires the users who created the black blade using their haki along with the black blade.

Since there is not reason to believe Mihawk doesn't possess any of the skills I talk about that makes him one of the strongest characters currently and ever. Easily within the top five strongest alive.

I place Shanks as a swordsman because of everything we have seen from him. All the times we have seen him fight is with a sword. He carries a sword, old and young. He's famous for having duels with a swordsman who became the WSS, Mihawk, who's waiting for a swordsman stronger than him (Shanks) to fight.

swarna · Oct 18, 2020

Mihawk is realistically comparable to current Shanks. Shanks somehow growing to be omega-level powerful while Mihawk stagnated is some meme shit considering the following:

1) Mihawk is highly perceptive and observant. That's his distinguishing trait among all characters in OP. Him not being delusional and or underestimating another individual is a given. You're trolling if you think otherwise.
2) Mihawk is not written to be a coward. He goes around by himself looking for strong opponents.

#1 and #2 colours how you should view his attitude towards Shanks. If he thought Shanks was stronger than him even without an arm, there would be no reason he wouldn't want to test himself. I would say he is probably stronger than Shanks, but saying they are roughly equal or that Shanks is slightly above Mihawk are reasonable takes. Saying Mihawk is way below Shanks is giving Shanks far more benefit of the doubt with personal biases regarding hype and character statuses.

Other than that I don't really care how strong people think Mihawk. Just keep it consistent. If you think Shanks is weak, then Mihawk could be weak and vice-versa. Could be below or above Oden.

Gauntlet · Oct 18, 2020

sanjikun said:

The size of his fist in comparison to Yoru is so fucked. :lusalty:

Sword God Ryuma · Oct 18, 2020

zaman said:

1. Shanks isn't stronger.
2. Where does it say Shanks was a rookie when they fought? Shanks been a pirate since he was like 10. Go reread the manga. :gokulaugh:

3. So lets say Oden was alive and he beats Mihawk. Are you telling me he wouldn't be WSS because he has CoC :milaugh:

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