Questions & Mysteries Why did Luffy's fruit become relevant years after he became a famous pirate?

[Finalbeta]

I don't think Shanks told them about the Gomu and Nika and also they probably didn't know it was the Gomu cause they never tried hard to kill off Luffy.

And I don't think they were just afraid of killing him off cause they ordered it at last.

Only at last they asked to kill Luffy so blatantly which seems too shallow to only face off the danger in the last moment risking the awakening too.

 

[BlackLegFring]

Thinking about it further, I just can't see any way of it being resolved with either the Gorosei or Imu knowing about the fruit. That's a big problem because from what we have been given so far they had to know.

The WG itself changed the name of the fruit, and the only purpose of that would be to keep everyone else ignorant of it but not themselves. Someone in the WG leadership had to know...and yet they let probably the worst person possible, someone who combines aspects of the worst individuals in WG history just run around with it until the very last minute in Wano.

My premonition of trouble is growing, and I just hope hope hope that Oda has a good goddamn answer.

The only thing it does so far is reinforce why the WG doesn't really give much of a damn about the Yonko, because in addition to lacking the other pieces like Poseidon and what not, none of them ate the special fruit to fulfil the requirements of using the One Piece.
That's another issue if this all turns out to be true: Luffy would absolutely be the biggest possible threat to the WG if he leaves Wano alive before even becoming Pirate King.

 

[Koro]

Maybe this way, Shanks is a snitch..

• Laugh tale gave information (from poneglyph) of the awakening of certain DF was gonna shake the world. So the treasure is just a shitty story.
• Not an ancient weapon, nor amount of golds.
• Gol D roger got a mocked name as Gold roger since he got no gold on laugh tale. It was just a laugh, that nothing to achieved. Empty hand, thats it
• Then, gold roger pass his hat and the tale to Shanks
• Only several knew the true name but simply shut their mouth: Roger, Oden with ripped book, Rayleigh & Co to respect Roger
• Shanks has been waiting Luffy to be on top. And the 1.5 Bill is the trigger.
• Shanks dare to speak up to gorosei as Imu & gorosei only knew that the true information on laugh tale is gonna shake WG. That is the great cleansing.
• Shanks is still seen as WG supporter as he state something as a snitch (like Apoo)
• Shanks was gathering exRoger Crews after he left mariejoa
• RH and exRoger Crews arrive on Wano to escort SH
• "AS I RECALL" wano/eow will leak the one piece info
• They will straight to laughtale after Luffy decide it, maybe Shanks & co have last red poneglyph copy.
• But he might separate as Luffy wont like if too much people that go to laugh tale.
  • Shanks & co block BB ways on pluton
  • Rayleigh & co go for poseidon
  • *SHGF and WB remnants are called to back up whether Wano/Shanks/Rayleigh
• Well, SH already accompanied by Law
• Kidd gets sideline
• 5 years is still considered.

*Super Big War* to end the Series

It is just 'an example'. LoL : Laugh of Laugh tale

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Sorry, what I meant to say earlier is I don't think Shanks told them about the Gomu and Nika and also they probably didn't know it was the Gomu cause they never tried hard to kill off Luffy.

And I don't think they were just afraid of killing him off cause they ordered it at last.

Only at last they asked to kill Luffy so blatantly which seems too shallow to only face off the danger in the last moment risking the awakening too.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

I think many people said it already. It's either Shanks is playing 5D chess or the World Government being stupid as usual (not the first time).

I don't think the only trigger for the fruit awakening is death, Luffy has been on the brink of death for quite a few times now, but i may be wrong.

Speaking of requirements for being Joyboy:

Requirements for being Joyboy:

- You must be a D.
- You must "smile" a lot.
- You need to be the main character of the story.
- You need to have the strawhat passed down from an important person (Roger, Shanks).
- You must have foreshadowing/build-up for being Joyboy.
- You must be a conqueror.
- You need a great mastery of the Gum Gum fruit (which is needed for Awakening).
- You must "die" at least once.

^^

 

[JerAx]

The only logical thing I can think of is that shanks is pulling his string

 

[Xlaw]

Not true...It's just luffy was that lucky lol
He survived against Smoker at beginning then Kuma , CP0 , Aokiji , Kizaru , 3 admirals again , Fujitora ...
WG had enough chances to get ride off him and they actually tried..

Only bad side is they never hinted about his DF specially at MF

 

[Akai2]

The World Government knows about Luffy AND his ability for years. So if the scary fruit is indeed his devil fruit, why only react to it now? They said Wano was a good opportunity to "get rid of that nuisance", but why not get rid of him when he was a rookie? It could imply that they are either not very worried, or just ignorant of what might happen when it's awakened. Suddenly that turned into "eliminate Straw Hat Luffy at once".

Was it in fact Shanks who informed them of its importance? Did they know of the conditions it needed for awakening? Are the conditions a combination of death/being a D./being Luffy?

I won't ever consider Shanks not wanting the best for Luffy as a Shanks fan, but did Shanks know how important this awakening was? Could that be the reason he saved Luffy from dying, knowing the catalyst for awakening would be Luffy's death? (def not, but throwing this one in for @Paperchampion23 and his shady Shanks theory)


A lot of questions I want answered after this chapter curious about some opinions @Akai2 @TheAncientCenturion @Jew D. Boy @djiayebee @Garp the Fist @Bogard @RayanOO @Marimo_420 @Tyki_Mikk @Sentinel @Seraphoenix @Nidai_Kitetsu @Kejon @Fujishiro @Rosella.Fiamingo etcccc


EDIT: also, not being awakened in centuries, do you think the awakening conditions weren't met before? Or that no one had the fruit?

I'm not reading 10 pages to see if anyone else brought this up, so sorry if it was.

They didn't know Luffy's had the potential to awaken Joy Boy until Zunesha showed up. At least that's what I understood from chapter 1037's cliffhanger.

Or it could just be Shanks being a snitch, which I won't accept

 

[Finalbeta]

Not true...It's just luffy was that lucky lol
He survived against Smoker at beginning then Kuma , CP0 , Aokiji , Kizaru , 3 admirals again , Fujitora ...
WG had enough chances to get ride off him and they actually tried..

Only bad side is they never hinted about his DF specially at MF

Feel like if the Government wanted to kill him off in a serious way he would have been dead earlier but so much PIS was applied to the man there's funnily a chance they knew about the Gomu all the time Shanks or not

But still this doesn't explain why only at last they ordered to kill Luffy

 

[Xlaw]

Feel like if the Government wanted to kill him off in a serious way he would have been dead earlier but so much PIS was applied to the man there's funnily a chance they knew about the Gomu all the time Shanks or not

But still this doesn't explain why only at last they ordered to kill Luffy

He is the main character lol can't help it..
But I guess they tried when things were out of control for them... Strongly possible shanks angle here..

 

[PurpleSwordsman]

Retcon (in case it will be confirmed).

 

[Paperchampion23]

Retcon (in case it will be confirmed).

Retcon would more be that whatever new information comes up conflicts with the old.

If the story never elaborated on Luffy's fruit being special, it's not really one since there's nothing really conflicting it. Shanks having ulterior motives is the same thing, we don't know much about the character to claim otherwise.

 

[Natalija]

Retcon would more be that whatever new information comes up conflicts with the old.

If the story never elaborated on Luffy's fruit being special, it's not really one since there's nothing really conflicting it. Shanks having ulterior motives is the same thing, we don't know much about the character to claim otherwise.

You know what, the Gorosei changed their mind on eliminating Luffy mid Wano now towards the end.

Even if Shanks gave them some info, that was not why Luffy suddenly became a target because it happened way before (?)

 

[Paperchampion23]

You know what, the Gorosei changed their mind on eliminating Luffy mid Wano now towards the end.

Even if Shanks gave them some info, that was not why Luffy suddenly became a target because it happened way before (?)

My thought in it is that whatever he told them, they didn't believe until Zunisha arrived.

Perhaps they know what Zunisha is, but figured its harmless because it just wanders aimlessly. It committed a terrible crime and that was its fate.

Except it reached a destination, and if they didn't believe Shanks beforehand, maybe they started to once that happened.

 

[PenguinKing]

Okay this actually tracks. Especially playing into the world’s mystery of how Shanks lost his arm. Only thing that doesn’t sit with me is why the WG didn’t pursue Luffy after Alabasta.

They did though, right? Didn't Smoker & Tashigi persue them? As readers we saw Smoker as a jobber, but he has a decent rank&fruit, 5G may have assumed Smoker was enough for S.H.

 

[GeneralP123]

You know what, the Gorosei changed their mind on eliminating Luffy mid Wano now towards the end.

Even if Shanks gave them some info, that was not why Luffy suddenly became a target because it happened way before (?)

Yeah, Shanks definitely didn't make Luffy the target, i'm curious to see why the Gorosei acted just now, makes them see. incredibly dumb for not acting as sooner.

 

[BlackLegFring]

The "It's because of Shanks" idea doesn't work not only because he talked to them much earlier, but there's really nothing that Shanks might know that shouldn't already be known by Imu.

They should already know who ate the Gum Gum fruit, his impressive pedigree, his desire to become Pirate King, his involvement with Alabasta, Minks and Wano samurai. They already have some sort of idea what the "awakening" entails even if it is just rumours from long ago. The only pirate that Shanks could know more about is Roger himself. Maybe he had some special knowledge about Roger, or what Roger told him before turning himself in was one of the secrets revealed on Raftel, but that wouldn't explain the Gorosei's last minute decision or Imu's apparent ignorance.

Zunesha showing up can't be any worse that Poseidon already being born in the same era as Luffy eating the fruit. There's no way that Imu doesn't know about Poseidon when they already had a picture of her.

All in all, it just doesn't make sense unless the fruit that had it's name changed was something else, but this chapter heavily indicates that it's Luffy's.

 

[PurpleSwordsman]

Retcon would more be that whatever new information comes up conflicts with the old.

If the story never elaborated on Luffy's fruit being special, it's not really one since there's nothing really conflicting it. Shanks having ulterior motives is the same thing, we don't know much about the character to claim otherwise.

In a story of 25years it's a retcon.

 

[Paperchampion23]

In a story of 25years it's a retcon.

No it's not lol. It does not contradict what has come before and I've repeatedly posted scenes that show that shit like this was his destiny as far back as Chapter 96.