Character Discussion Why do People Compare Yamato to Jimbe or Franky?

If Yamato joined the crew?


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What tangible evidence do you have that Oden > Rayleigh? Why didn’t Oden face Rayleigh in the flashback? Why was he fighting Gaban? What did Toei gain from it?
Oden was mentioned alongside wb roger shanks and xebec
That’s enough evidence to put him above rayleigh

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I am sorry but you have 0 proof regarding that. Or if you have, show me some feats or statements that puts him as someone stronger than Prime Rayleigh.
I have a proof
A clear proof
 
Oden> reyligh> gaban
Oden was mentioned alongside wb roger shanks and xebec
End of discussion
He was put there by Kaido because Kaido holds him in such high regard because Kaido faced him. But the him Kaido faced was an Oden years after he sailed with Roger. And we have no way of knowing if Kaido ever faced Rayleigh or not.

Mihawk didn’t appear in Kaido’s 5 either. Do we take that as absolute proof that Shanks > Mihawk? Many would disagree that we know that for sure.
 
Those are the guys that have Kaido's respect because they were pirates that gave him a hard time. Like, didn't he compare Luffy to all of them? Do you rlly think that Luffy pre-CoC=Roger=Oden=Shanks=Xabec?
Never said oden is equal to them

But that’s a huge hype for oden to get mentioned alongside 4 goats

plus an oden not even in his prime clashed with wb and tanked a named attack from roger
Again not saying he’s equal to them but that’s a huge hype and a great portrayal


What does rayligh have except Stalemated an admiral for a couple of minutes?
Sure a great feat especially when he did it out of his prime

But still oden by hype and portrayal > rayligh

If you asked me before
I would say it could go either way
But
When kaido mentioned him alongside wb and roger then that’s enough evidence to me
 
Roger Pirates parallels is really just something I’d use as a small bonus argument rather than the main basis for anything. Gaban’s role is basically non-existent so far, and Zoro = Rayleigh... eh, they have things in common, but it’s not nearly so obvious as the Luffy/Roger connection.

Plus, we now have Oden, who has bits of both Luffy and Zoro in him.

Sanji‘s done enough- even with his at times downright dismal post-skip performances- that you can argue for him without bringing up the Roger Pirates.
 
Never said oden is equal to them

But that’s a huge hype for oden to get mentioned alongside 4 goats

plus an oden not even in his prime clashed with wb and tanked a named attack from roger
Again not saying he’s equal to them but that’s a huge hype and a great portrayal


What does rayligh have except Stalemated an admiral for a couple of minutes?
Sure a great feat especially when he did it out of his prime

But still oden by hype and portrayal > rayligh

If you asked me before
I would say it could go either way
But
When kaido mentioned him alongside wb and roger then that’s enough evidence to me
That's basically because all of them made a significant impact in Kaido. If not, everyone that wasn't compared to them is weaker than Oden. Which means that Garp is waker than Oden, Sengoku is also weaker than Oden, bullet is waker than Oden, Akainu is also weaker than Oden... etc etc. Worst logic I've seen so far.
 
That's basically because all of them made a significant impact in Kaido. If not, everyone that wasn't compared to them is weaker than Oden. Which means that Garp is waker than Oden, Sengoku is also weaker than Oden, bullet is waker than Oden, Akainu is also weaker than Oden... etc etc. Worst logic I've seen so far.
Kaido said
“”there are only a handful of people that can fight me , are you implying that you’re just as great as they are?””
So he was talking about strength obviously
You saying he mentioned them because they made a significant impact is a headcanon

Well I could argue he was only talking about Pirates since he is a pirate and is currently facing Pirates
That’s why he didn’t mention any marine

Point is that hype is putting oden on a similar level to wb and roger

Rayligh doesn’t have that kind of hype
 
Kaido said
“”there are only a handful of people that can fight me , are you implying that you’re just as great as they are?””
So he was talking about strength obviously
You saying he mentioned them because they made a significant impact is a headcanon

Well I could argue he was only talking about Pirates since he is a pirate and is currently facing Pirates
That’s why he didn’t mention any marine

Point is that hype is putting oden on a similar level to wb and roger

Rayligh doesn’t have that kind of hype
How do you feel about Shanks vs Mihawk?
 
Kaido said
“”there are only a handful of people that can fight me , are you implying that you’re just as great as they are?””
So he was talking about strength obviously
You saying he mentioned them because they made a significant impact is a headcanon

Well I could argue he was only talking about Pirates since he is a pirate and is currently facing Pirates
That’s why he didn’t mention any marine

Point is that hype is putting oden on a similar level to wb and roger

Rayligh doesn’t have that kind of hype
He is comparing them because they are all strong and were capable of putting up a good fight against him being Oden the only one to scar him. But following your logic everyone that wasn't in that Panel is weaker than Oden or something?
 
He is comparing them because they are all strong and were capable of putting up a good fight against him being Oden the only one to scar him. But following your logic everyone that wasn't in that Panel is weaker than Oden or something?
Besides kaido himself obviously
And big mom because she’s right next to him so there’s no reason to mention her

why is it so hard to believe that oden is one of the 5 strongest Pirates???
 
Besides kaido himself obviously
And big mom because she’s right next to him so there’s no reason to mention her

why is it so hard to believe that oden is one of the 5 strongest Pirates???
Pirates? They should be Top 5 in the verse. Or do you think that someone is stronger than them? I mean, if they aren't in that panel they are weaker for sure because Kaido has some kind of mental abilities that allows him to compare ppl that he didn't even meet.
 
Pirates? They should be Top 5 in the verse. Or do you think that someone is stronger than them? I mean, if they aren't in that panel they are weaker for sure because Kaido has some kind of mental abilities that allows him to compare ppl that he didn't even meet.
You didn’t answer my question
Why is it so hard to believe that oden is one of the top 5 strongest Pirates in the verse?
 
Pirates? They should be Top 5 in the verse. Or do you think that someone is stronger than them? I mean, if they aren't in that panel they are weaker for sure because Kaido has some kind of mental abilities that allows him to compare ppl that he didn't even meet.
As much as I disagree that Kaido’s 5 is definitive proof that those are the top 5 pirates ever, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think Kaido was only including pirates and left out marines. I’m not saying he did or didn’t but I don’t think we can use the lack of marines as anything.
 
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