Character Discussion Why do People Compare Yamato to Jimbe or Franky?

If Yamato joined the crew?


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Well I would call that PIS
If he was panting after clashing for a minute with a casual kizaru

then the marines would have zero problems catching him
But they won’t because of the plot
Discussing events gets hard when we start trying to factor in PIS. Not that it isn’t a reasonable argument for that one. There’s a lot that people can debate as being PIS or not and it’s a hard thing to get everyone to agree upon what is and what isn’t. So we’ll just have to leave that one to personal interpretation.
 

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
Rayleigh's character easily features better portrayal than Oden does.

Oden was calculated to swiftly have stood below Current Zoro most likely, if we are referring to Prime Rayleigh in particular it's crystal clear how he can realistically be associated with the likes of Kizaru and Kizaru will presumably face Zoro at the final war giving him an enthusing fight.
 
Roger Pirates parallels is really just something I’d use as a small bonus argument rather than the main basis for anything. Gaban’s role is basically non-existent so far, and Zoro = Rayleigh... eh, they have things in common, but it’s not nearly so obvious as the Luffy/Roger connection.

Plus, we now have Oden, who has bits of both Luffy and Zoro in him.

Sanji‘s done enough- even with his at times downright dismal post-skip performances- that you can argue for him without bringing up the Roger Pirates.
Oden also has bits of Sanji.

He's a good cook.

Shown to be a womanizer in his early Wano days.

He let go of the rope that allowed him to join Whitebeard in the final minutes of that challenge because he heard a woman crying.
 
Rayleigh's character easily features better portrayal than Oden does.

Oden was calculated to swiftly have stood below Current Zoro most likely, if we are referring to Prime Rayleigh in particular it's crystal clear how he can realistically be associated with the likes of Kizaru and Kizaru will presumably face Zoro at the final war giving him an enthusing fight.
One thing with Rayleigh and Oden is that we don’t know how the Kaido that Oden fought 20 years ago compares to an admiral.

I admit I’m not entirely sure where to scale admirals. Personally it makes the most sense for them to be between a Yonko & a YC right now.

But depending on how a person feels Old Rayleigh holding off an admiral could reasonably > Prime Oden’s feats vs a young Kaido.
 
Roger Pirates parallels is really just something I’d use as a small bonus argument rather than the main basis for anything. Gaban’s role is basically non-existent so far, and Zoro = Rayleigh... eh, they have things in common, but it’s not nearly so obvious as the Luffy/Roger connection.

Plus, we now have Oden, who has bits of both Luffy and Zoro in him.

Sanji‘s done enough- even with his at times downright dismal post-skip performances- that you can argue for him without bringing up the Roger Pirates.
Literally the only similarity between Oden and Zoro is they both used Enma
 
Literally the only similarity between Oden and Zoro is they both used Enma
Which is an important similarity given how important swords are to the people of Wano. Zoro’s fighting to liberate Oden’s island using the only thing Oden left his daughter. Symbolically, that’s a big deal.

They’re also the only two to ever scar Kaido.

Oden and Zoro’s attacks also both follow the pattern of being a mix of Japanese food puns and mythology.
Oden also has bits of Sanji.

He's a good cook.

Shown to be a womanizer in his early Wano days.

He let go of the rope that allowed him to join Whitebeard in the final minutes of that challenge because he heard a woman crying.
That’s a stretch to put Sanji in somewhere he doesn’t belong in my view. If Oden was meant to be representing Sanji in some fashion, then Sanji would have fought Kaido along with the other people carrying Oden’s will, like the Scabbards, Luffy and Zoro.

It’s like saying Oden’s like Brook as both are womanising swordsmen with a fondness for singing Binks Sake. Technically true if you stretch the point, but quite irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

Or that Zoro and Whitebeard are meant to be compared the same because they both refuse to show their backs to the enemy. Zoro has nothing to do with Whitebeard, and Sanji has nothing to do with Oden.
 
Which is an important similarity given how important swords are to the people of Wano. Zoro’s fighting to liberate Oden’s island using the only thing Oden left his daughter. Symbolically, that’s a big deal.

They’re also the only two to ever scar Kaido.

Oden and Zoro’s attacks also both follow the pattern of being a mix of Japanese food puns and mythology.


That’s a stretch to put Sanji in somewhere he doesn’t belong in my view. If Oden was meant to be representing Sanji in some fashion, then Sanji would have fought Kaido along with the other people carrying Oden’s will, like the Scabbards, Luffy and Zoro.

It’s like saying Oden’s like Brook as both are womanising swordsmen with a fondness for singing Binks Sake. Technically true if you stretch the point, but quite irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

Or that Zoro and Whitebeard are meant to be compared the same because they both refuse to show their backs to the enemy. Zoro has nothing to do with Whitebeard, and Sanji has nothing to do with Oden.
Well Sanji is basically the one who took responsibility for Kinemon and saved his life in PH, becoming one of the few men Kinemon has bowed down to and felt immense debt towards, among which Oden stands at the top.

Sanji also saved Momonosuke, who carries on Oden's blood.

All aspects of Oden don't necessarily have to lead to Kaido.

Cooking, Women, and the way Oden let go of the rope that tied him to his dream journey because he heard a woman crying seem a bit more solid connections to Sanji than the one's you've brought up for Brook for example.
 
Well Sanji is basically the one who took responsibility for Kinemon and saved his life in PH, becoming one of the few men Kinemon has bowed down to and felt immense debt towards, among which Oden stands at the top.

Sanji also saved Momonosuke, who carries on Oden's blood.

All aspects of Oden don't necessarily have to lead to Kaido.

Cooking, Women, and the way Oden let go of the rope that tied him to his dream journey because he heard a woman crying seem a bit more solid connections to Sanji than the one's you've brought up for Brook for example.
Sanji is as much a relevant Oden parallel as Zoro is a Whitebeard one, I can put it no clearer than that
 
And lol at people say Yamato looks normal compared to Franky and Jinbe and could fit in the M3 appearance.

Franky looked normal pre skip...

Yamato is over 2 meters and have mother fucking horns.

And you say she looks normal compared to the M3?

Come on. Don't fool yourself. If she would be regular size or something but not like this
 
And lol at people say Yamato looks normal compared to Franky and Jinbe and could fit in the M3 appearance.

Franky looked normal pre skip...

Yamato is over 2 meters and have mother fucking horns.

And you say she looks normal compared to the M3?

Come on. Don't fool yourself. If she would be regular size or something but not like this
Okay, so I only skimmed some of the earlier pages in this thread but any argument for Yamato’s place relative to the M3 that hinges on her size and appearance is a very very weak argument in either direction.
 
Okay, so I only skimmed some of the earlier pages in this thread but any argument for Yamato’s place relative to the M3 that hinges on her size and appearance is a very very weak argument in either direction.
That's true but just pointing it out because people said it.

Anyway. Like Robin fans after Arabasta, like Franky fans during EL and Jinbe fans until now... They can all believe in Yamato... The end result will be the same.

That's why I am not even trying to debate it anymore as in the past... Let the people hopes be crushed or let them simply live or die in denial
 
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Herrera95

I will be a little incoherent here. But I'm not seeing neither Jinbei or Sanji one-shotting Ulti like Yamato did. BUT I believe Sanji with RS is stronger than her and Jinbei. Maybe I should put her above Sanji but his RS endurance feats is so amazing and she was kind of having a hard time against that Tobiroppo fodders(getting tired only, that is what I mean, tired and a bit of damage).
 
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