Questions & Mysteries Why do you just assume Sanji defeated Page One?

[ShinmenTakezo]

Let me see if I've got your argument right, because I think we're saying basically the same thing.

Are you saying
-the last scene in the manga, of Sanji attacking in the distance while Page One screams
is the same as
-the scene we see in the anime, where Sanji lands O-Soba Shooting Star or whatever he called it on him?

And it's just a matter of perspective really, with the anime showing up close what the manga only hinted had happened in the distance?

If so, yeah, I can agree with that.

And what I'm then saying is that because of that, the majority of people were wrong. Sanji didn't beat Page One. Page One is still going to be fighting in the war.

Yes, you literally have Sanji attacking him after stating that Usopp and Franky should change the design, only that the anime finished the scene, and then showed Sanji jumping into air again, which indicates he will attack again and cut off there.
With the fact that every attack prior landed, you can say it will land this time as well, so the end of anime and manga is pretty much the same, both show Sanji´s superiority (only in the anime Page One takes more hits obviously), but does not give a definite answer to what happened. Page One screaming at the end was never a definite reason to believe he took him out, since it´s literally a sign of pain, the reason why some people believed that he beat him is his superiority and the context of him stating he will take him out + his attitude afterwards. And the anime did not change that, they changed after the initial usage (disappearing, first kick) to an equal exchange until Sanji started to attack by using the boosters.

So in the end it does not change the reasons to come to a conclusion, and both conclusions are still possible, meaning Sanji beating him or not. While Sanji beating him and him appearing in the war is also possible, though arguably would contradict his main reason for attacking him in the first place.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Because he is strong? Well guess what, just because someone is strong or has a nice rank, doesn't mean they are important to the Story or will have any Impact. Smoothy and Compote as an example.

Again, you're comparing apples and oranges.

WCI is not Wano. WCI was an infiltration and escape arc that only had two real fights- Luffy vs Katakuri and Cracker. It was not a huge crew wide fighting arc.

Wano is. Wano is going to be the Strawhat Pirates and allies vs the Beast Pirates and allies. They're meant to be bringing their whole forces to bear in a huge war.

So if in the anime Page One, one of the main officers of Kaido, doesn't appear- big plothole.

So what Purpose would P1 have in Onigashima? We have stil 4 Tobbi roppo more to get introduced and then the numbers, probably up to 10 of them. You think everyone of them will have an Impact on the Arc? Highly doubt that.

Did every CP9 officer play an important role in EL? All of DD's family in Dressrosa? No, but they were there. They fought. That's what is now expected of Page One, and that means Sanji failed in his objective.

He might be in Onigashima, but that doesn't mean he was not defeated, but for the reason that is he a Zoan and a Ancient on top of that - his highly improved Regeneration should get him back on his feet.

So Sanji failed then

How would it even make sense for Sanji not to defeat P1? Sanji wanted to safe the people and the city. So Sanji did 2 kicks and just left?How would that stop P1 from keep destroying the city and endanger the citizen? This is exactly what brought Sanji to P1. If Sanji would just left, he would do the same thing again and try to force Sanji to come back. Or did he just gave up?

Well that's seemingly what's happened, hasn't it? Sanji's decided it would take too long and destroy too much of the city, so he's bailed.

 

[Hiragaro]

Again, you're comparing apples and oranges.

WCI is not Wano. WCI was an infiltration and escape arc that only had two real fights- Luffy vs Katakuri and Cracker. It was not a huge crew wide fighting arc.

Wano is. Wano is going to be the Strawhat Pirates and allies vs the Beast Pirates and allies. They're meant to be bringing their whole forces to bear in a huge war.

LOL what? The whole BMC was Hunting them - even fodder got to fight some of our ''heroes'', but someone like Smoothy and Compote were complete let behind. You really just try to spin everything around until it fits your Point of view.

So if in the anime Page One, one of the main officers of Kaido, doesn't appear- big plothole.

Oh yeah, this would be the first time ever the Anime had plotholes even the manga has plotholes lol.

Did every CP9 officer play an important role in EL? All of DD's family in Dressrosa? No, but they were there. They fought. That's what is now expected of Page One, and that means Sanji failed in his objective.

Cracker lost Right at the beginning of the Arc and he was a commander. Didn't appeared again, because he served his Purpose.
P1 served his Purpose of the introduction of the RS.

Well that's seemingly what's happened, hasn't it? Sanji's decided it would take too long and destroy too much of the city, so he's bailed.

LOL?! Based on what? The Anime? Don't put the Anime as Facts lol

So you just think the Anime is Canon.
So then you must also agree that Sanji moves with the Speed of light with his RS? I mean, if Toei got Intel on the Outcome of the fight, they would also have Intel of the power Sanji used in the fight Right? The invisible barrier is also Canon then. P1 tanking 40+ kicks without a scratch is also Canon then i guess. Or do you choose only certain things as Canon and the other not?

 

[Hiragaro]

• What does Toei have to gain by completly chaning the outcome of the fight?

Toei have more to lose than gain by going counter to what Oda want. They will lose fan trust, whereby some fan will completely boycott the anime
Toei make a lot of money from One piece. Why go out of their way to damage their own brand, One piece anime brand and damage their money printing machine

You tell me. Why did they bring Raisin back, while he was one shoted by Sanji in the manga? So yeah, they changed the Outcome and they made Sanji look weaker. Don't think Fans enjoyed that decision.
Why could Pekoms controll his Sulong form and 1 HIT Sanji in the Anime? You think they won ''trust'' by their fans from that? This damaged their Reputation and already low Quality massively.
Or Batman being able to fight
Have you guys even see the anime? Because you guys act like Toei never messed up big time lol.

Going by the logic of some People this is Apparently also Canon.
Gotta love this. Luffy and Zoro can't beat a Gifter

 

[Jo_Ndule]

On the bright side, if Page1 could really shrug off Raid Suit Sanji, he's officially > all BM Veterans.

hybrid Ancient zoan getting schooled by RS sanji.

A mere machine gun and decuplets was able to take care of vinsmokes

Pero>>>>>Hybrid P1

 

[True God Moe]

You tell me. Why did they bring Raisin back, while he was one shoted by Sanji in the manga? So yeah, they changed the Outcome and they made Sanji look weaker. Don't think Fans enjoyed that decision.
Why could Pekoms controll his Sulong form and 1 HIT Sanji in the Anime? You think they won ''trust'' by their fans from that? This damaged their Reputation and already low Quality massively.
Or Batman being able to fight
Have you guys even see the anime? Because you guys act like Toei never messed up big time lol.

Going by the logic of some People this is Apparently also Canon.
Gotta love this. Luffy and Zoro can't beat a Gifter

If we going to believe anime is canon now, then by this logic, Luffy and Zoro are weaker than Batman and Sanji is much stronger as he took it to Page One who is above Batman easily XD.

 

[HA001]

SANJI DIDNT BEAT PAGE ONE IN THE MANGA EITHER YOU DUMBASSES JUST ASSUMED HE DID.

Stop crying about toei when you not got a panel of sanji beating page one

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

You tell me. Why did they bring Raisin back, while he was one shoted by Sanji in the manga? So yeah, they changed the Outcome and they made Sanji look weaker. Don't think Fans enjoyed that decision.
Why could Pekoms controll his Sulong form and 1 HIT Sanji in the Anime? You think they won ''trust'' by their fans from that? This damaged their Reputation and already low Quality massively.
Or Batman being able to fight
Have you guys even see the anime? Because you guys act like Toei never messed up big time lol.

Going by the logic of some People this is Apparently also Canon.
Gotta love this. Luffy and Zoro can't beat a Gifter

Holy shit i never saw that, that´s worse than the Hody fiasco.
What the fuck is Toei doing, do they think animation quality is all that matters? Jesus Christ.

 

[True God Moe]

Holy shit i never saw that, that´s worse than the Hody fiasco.
What the fuck is Toei doing, do they think animation quality is all that matters? Jesus Christ.

So still want to say Anime is Canon? By this Logic Batman is above Kaido XD? Luffy couldn't push him and yet later he did with Kaido lol.

 

[True God Moe]

SANJI DIDNT BEAT PAGE ONE IN THE MANGA EITHER YOU DUMBASSES JUST ASSUMED HE DID.

Stop crying about toei when you not got a panel of sanji beating page one

Sanji did. Clear and stated since PO never came back. Oda even stated anime do things differently at times. This is ome of them.

 

[HA001]

Sanji did. Clear and stated since PO never came back. Oda even stated anime do things differently at times. This is ome of them.

Wheres the panel of sanji beating page one?

 

[Cyrus the Cactus]

Sanji did. Clear and stated since PO never came back. Oda even stated anime do things differently at times. This is ome of them.

Nobody mentioned anything about Page One after Sanji supposedly defeated him though. We got that and the end of Zoro vs Killer on panel...but neither of those happened for Sanji vs Page One.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Sanji did. Clear and stated since PO never came back. Oda even stated anime do things differently at times. This is ome of them.

Show us the panel of Sanji beating Page one pls

 

[True God Moe]

Show us the panel of Sanji beating Page one pls

Show me panel be survived in manga? He never came back and no repercussion ever happen at all.

 

[Garp the Fist]

LOL what? The whole BMC was Hunting them - even fodder got to fight some of our ''heroes'', but someone like Smoothy and Compote were complete let behind. You really just try to spin everything around until it fits your Point of view.

I'm not spinning anything, you are.

You seriously trying to tell me you can't tell the difference between an arc like Dressrosa, where we had

Luffy and Law vs Trebol and Doffy
Zoro vs Pica
Kyros vs Diamente
Franky vs Senor Pink
Ussop vs Sugar
Bartolomeo vs Gladius
Cavendish vs Dellinger
Sai vs Lao G
Leo vs Jora
Hajrudin vs Machvise

Where all the DD family ended up defeated and in prison

And an arc like WCI, where Luffy was the only one who got proper fights and the Big Mom Pirates still ended the arc a fully functioning Yonko crew?

And that you can't tell that Wano is set up to be more like Dressrosa in that respect than WCI?

Oh yeah, this would be the first time ever the Anime had plotholes even the manga has plotholes lol.

If you're argument is "this is going to cause a plothole because Sanji clearly beat Page One despite it not being shown in the manga or happening at all in the anime" then fine, I guess.

Me, I'm waiting to see what actually happens with this.

Cracker lost Right at the beginning of the Arc and he was a commander. Didn't appeared again, because he served his Purpose.
P1 served his Purpose of the introduction of the RS.

Cracker was actually shown defeated, in both manga and anime, with absolutely no room for doubt. Totally different from this Page One mess.

So then you must also agree that Sanji moves with the Speed of light with his RS? I mean, if Toei got Intel on the Outcome of the fight, they would also have Intel of the power Sanji used in the fight Right? The invisible barrier is also Canon then. P1 tanking 40+ kicks without a scratch is also Canon then i guess. Or do you choose only certain things as Canon and the other not?

Nope. I've never said that I think Oda sits down with anime team and goes over every little part of the story boarding process. That's impossible for him to do with his schedule

What I do think is that we have an odd situation here, where the anime has taken a part of the manga that Oda left ambiguous, and gave a definitive answer as to what happened, one that is at odds with what we were expecting. Which makes me think that in this case, Oda said them in advance "don't show Sanji beating Page One, I've got plans for him later." Because we know that's the kind of thing he does intervene with, like him stopping them using some DF's if he has plans for them to be used later. Or him stopping them having Rayleigh being called captain way back in East Blue.

 

[HA001]

Show me panel be survived in manga? He never came back and no repercussion ever happen at all.

Except drake new about osoba mask which means page one told drake which means drake took him out after sanji ran away.

 

[True God Moe]

Nobody mentioned anything about Page One after Sanji supposedly defeated him though. We got that and the end of Zoro vs Killer on panel...but neither of those happened for Sanji vs Page One.

True, but if he was active, it doesn't make sense he quit and never return with Drake and Hawkins through the acts. Oda isn't sloppy in removing a character like that. He is gone from narration manga shown on him.

 

[OmegaPsyche]

Pero>>>>>Hybrid P1

That's not how power lvls work.

 

[True God Moe]

Wheres the panel of sanji beating page one?

Where panel of PO around after the fight? Why Holdem and Kamazou came back, but not him, but not him?

 

[OmegaPsyche]

Except drake new about osoba mask which means page one told drake which means drake took him out after sanji ran away.

Very plausible