Character Discussion Why Hancock Is Weak

is boa hancock really weak since she couldn't escape from a chokehold or i'm crazy for thinking that

  • yes she's weak

    Votes: 9 42.9%
  • your crazy for thinking that

    Votes: 14 66.7%

  • Total voters
    21
  • Poll closed .
Bounties don't really have much to do with strength level or how strong a character is,.

Have to ask when a bounty is given... a bounty is ONLY given after a crime is committed or an incident the WG deem threatening occurs. No bounty is given otherwise.
Even when Luffy came from the time-skip and showed he'd grown stronger after 2 years by using Haki against a Pacifista, he still only had a 400m bounty which was after Marineford.
His bounty only became 500m after Dressrosa incident which was a crime against the WG.

  1. When did Luffy get his first bounty? After he hit a Marine, defeated Arlong, Krieg, etc. He had a 30m bounty.
  2. He got his next bounty after he defeated a Shichibukai, earned him a 100m.
  3. Skypiea, he defeated Enel, but because the WG didn't know about it, he received no bounty.
  4. Point being characters get bounties based on how huge the crime they committed was, or how huge the incident was. WCI was a huge incident, so he got a 1 billion beri boost.

Another reason people get bounties is if you're involved in a huge crime. If you're a part of Luffy's crew, he does something major... the WG will give you a bounty if they think you played a role which is why after Dressrosa, even Nami got a 50m beri increase and she really didn't do anything.

Boa Hancock's bounty doesn't mean much. It only means all the crimes or incidents she's been involved in have earned her a value of 1.6 billion. It has nothing to do with her strength.

Luffy had a 500m bounty when he defeated Katakuri - Katakuri was never 2 times stronger than Luffy, and Luffy was not 1.5x stronger than Katakuri after he defeated him, it was a close battle - if it was about strength, maybe his bounty would have been 50m higher, not 500m.

Burgess has a 20m beri bounty at the start of the series, and Nami had a 16m bounty. Burgess was a Haki user at the time, and was someone capable of surviving in the New World. Nami at the time couldn't do that.

Robin having a 900m bounty doesn't mean she's almost as strong as Jimbei, Sanji or Zoro, she is significantly weaker despite roughly 100m bounty difference. She defeated Black Maria whose bounty is around 400m? Not like she defeated Maria with ease, so it wasn't close.

Nami currently has a bounty in the 300s, and compare her to people with 300m? Caesar, Pedro, Kuma when he was an RA capable of defeating entire country militaries.... Luffy and Kid 2 years ago... the level in strength is different.

You can be the strongest in the world, but if you don't commit huge crimes , or are not involved in huge incidents, you may only have a 30m bounty.
Hancock may have a 1.6 billion bounty, not because that value shows how strong she is, it only indicates all the crimes she has committed accumulate to 1.6 billion.

After this arc, everyone will get a bounty increase because they committed a crime, not because of strength levels. Hancock's bounty isn't that big a deal, bounty is just indicative of criminal activity.
 
Bounties don't really have much to do with strength level or how strong a character is,.

Have to ask when a bounty is given... a bounty is ONLY given after a crime is committed or an incident the WG deem threatening occurs. No bounty is given otherwise.
Even when Luffy came from the time-skip and showed he'd grown stronger after 2 years by using Haki against a Pacifista, he still only had a 400m bounty which was after Marineford.
His bounty only became 500m after Dressrosa incident which was a crime against the WG.

  1. When did Luffy get his first bounty? After he hit a Marine, defeated Arlong, Krieg, etc. He had a 30m bounty.
  2. He got his next bounty after he defeated a Shichibukai, earned him a 100m.
  3. Skypiea, he defeated Enel, but because the WG didn't know about it, he received no bounty.
  4. Point being characters get bounties based on how huge the crime they committed was, or how huge the incident was. WCI was a huge incident, so he got a 1 billion beri boost.

Another reason people get bounties is if you're involved in a huge crime. If you're a part of Luffy's crew, he does something major... the WG will give you a bounty if they think you played a role which is why after Dressrosa, even Nami got a 50m beri increase and she really didn't do anything.

Boa Hancock's bounty doesn't mean much. It only means all the crimes or incidents she's been involved in have earned her a value of 1.6 billion. It has nothing to do with her strength.

Luffy had a 500m bounty when he defeated Katakuri - Katakuri was never 2 times stronger than Luffy, and Luffy was not 1.5x stronger than Katakuri after he defeated him, it was a close battle - if it was about strength, maybe his bounty would have been 50m higher, not 500m.

Burgess has a 20m beri bounty at the start of the series, and Nami had a 16m bounty. Burgess was a Haki user at the time, and was someone capable of surviving in the New World. Nami at the time couldn't do that.

Robin having a 900m bounty doesn't mean she's almost as strong as Jimbei, Sanji or Zoro, she is significantly weaker despite roughly 100m bounty difference. She defeated Black Maria whose bounty is around 400m? Not like she defeated Maria with ease, so it wasn't close.

Nami currently has a bounty in the 300s, and compare her to people with 300m? Caesar, Pedro, Kuma when he was an RA capable of defeating entire country militaries.... Luffy and Kid 2 years ago... the level in strength is different.

You can be the strongest in the world, but if you don't commit huge crimes , or are not involved in huge incidents, you may only have a 30m bounty.
Hancock may have a 1.6 billion bounty, not because that value shows how strong she is, it only indicates all the crimes she has committed accumulate to 1.6 billion.

After this arc, everyone will get a bounty increase because they committed a crime, not because of strength levels. Hancock's bounty isn't that big a deal, bounty is just indicative of criminal activity.
All this cope just for Oda to consistently use bounties as a means of power scaling
 
All this cope just for Oda to consistently use bounties as a means of power scaling
Usopp has a 500m bounty.
At 500m, Ace was strong enough to be the second division commander, he was able to clash with Admirals. Law was able to 1 shot Vergo with a 450m bounty.
Ace was also strong enough to bruise Whitebeard when he had a 500m beri bounty or lower, don't think the same can be said for Usopp.
Is he strong enough to defeat Joker? or Cracker?
Look at most people with a 500m bounty, and Usopp is nowhere as close to being as strong as those people.
Bounty has never = strength.
If you commit a crime, you get a bounty, that's really all there is to it. If you do nothing, you get no bounty.

Robin having a 900m bounty, yet she's nowhere close to being as strong as Katakuri with a 1 billion bounty, Cracker with an 860m bounty, Smoothie with a 900m. All these people would arguably still defeat Robin.

Hancock's bounty doesn't mean anything, it's really just a number to reflect crime. That's all bounties are. Do something bad, the WG give a bounty.
 
Usopp has a 500m bounty.
At 500m, Ace was strong enough to be the second division commander, he was able to clash with Admirals. Law was able to 1 shot Vergo with a 450m bounty.
Ace was also strong enough to bruise Whitebeard when he had a 500m beri bounty or lower, don't think the same can be said for Usopp.
Is he strong enough to defeat Joker? or Cracker?
Look at most people with a 500m bounty, and Usopp is nowhere as close to being as strong as those people.
Usopps bounty is literally a gag and we saw why he has it.

Doesn’t change the fact that Oda, Luffy, Marco, and Bege all use bounties as a way of powerscaling characters in the verse because that’s the narrative purpose of giving bounties to these minor characters and villains.
 
Doesn’t change the fact that Oda, Luffy, Marco, and Bege all use bounties as a way of powerscaling characters in the verse because that’s the narrative purpose of giving bounties to these minor characters and villains.
They don't.

The only reason bounties can be a gag is because they don't reflect strength.

Like I said, is Robin who has a 900m bounty stronger than Cracker (800m), Smoothie (900m)?
Or is she as strong as Katakuri (1.1 billion), Jimbei (1billion), Zoro & Sanji (1 billion)? People actually capable of using Haki and are comparable to commanders?
 
They don't.

The only reason bounties can be a gag is because they don't reflect strength.

Like I said, is Robin who has a 900m bounty stronger than Cracker (800m), Smoothie (900m)?
Or is she as strong as Katakuri (1.1 billion), Jimbei (1billion), Zoro & Sanji (1 billion)? People actually capable of using Haki and are comparable to commanders?
So when Luffy said:
“I want to beat the 1 billion berry man at his strongest” wasn’t him using Katakuris bounty as a power scaling term?
Bege saying:
“His Observation is so sharp he can even see the future. No wonder he’s worth 1 Billion berries.”
Marco saying:
“Holding off two guys worth over a billion berries is too much.”

None of these are characters power scaling using bounties?
Cmon narratively the only use of bounties is just for scaling minor characters who Oda needs a quick way to establish A> B. The cope that bounties have nothing to do with power scaling is just a fandom thing.

But sure keep trying to use main characters who are constantly growing and changing their bounties every 2 months as a way to disprove it while Oda keeps using bounties as a way to establish the powers of minor villains.
 
The level of idiocy in this thread is astounding. The new member is surely, like, 12. Not even worth mentioning his username.

Boa fodderized some of the SH's EOS opponents and was a threat to BB, so much that he was afraid of her. She was also hyped by Sengoku.

Boa is low top. Feats and portrayal >>>>> your headcanon, haters. Cry about it. Your tears are delicious.
 
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Oda should have made her have actual top haki feats

All she has so far is hax

The level of idiocy in this thread is astounding. The new member is surely, like, 12. Not even worth mentioning his username.

Boa fodderized some of the SH's EOS opponents and was a threat to BB, so much that he was afraid of her. She was also hyped by Sengoku.

Boa is low top. Feats and portrayal >>>>> your headcanon, haters. Cry about it. Your tears are delicious.
Beating 2 guys around Perospero level via hax isn't a huge feat to make her low top tier

Boa van literally hax anyone who lusts over her
Doesn't mean she's low top tier
 
I mean, he is literally twice her size.
Whitebeard couldn't break Akainu neck. And he is what? 3 times his size?

Big Mom didn't that with Judge. Kaido didn't with Luffy.
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People say this as if getting caught off guard somehow excuses the character with terrible defense.

In a series where fights have, and can, rage on for hours, days on end, if you can't get caught off guard once without succumbing, you aren't top-tier or anywhere close
Neither Kaido or Luffy could react to Mr Go. And they both have future sight.

Even Katakuri get caught off guard when he is unfocused.

Garp got stabbed by Shiryuu even knowing it was a trap.

And many more situations like that.
 
So when Luffy said:
“I want to beat the 1 billion berry man at his strongest” wasn’t him using Katakuris bounty as a power scaling term?
Bege saying:
“His Observation is so sharp he can even see the future. No wonder he’s worth 1 Billion berries.”
Marco saying:
“Holding off two guys worth over a billion berries is too much.”

None of these are characters power scaling using bounties?
Cmon narratively the only use of bounties is just for scaling minor characters who Oda needs a quick way to establish A> B. The cope that bounties have nothing to do with power scaling is just a fandom thing.

But sure keep trying to use main characters who are constantly growing and changing their bounties every 2 months as a way to disprove it while Oda keeps using bounties as a way to establish the powers of minor villains.
You're ignoring things that contradict your view.

Bounty can only allow you to make reasonable assumptions about a person. It can't tell you anything factually other than they've committed crimes and been involved in enough incidents to acquire x-amount of bounty.

If you're a home owner looking to make some renovations.
  • You have the option of 2 carpenters, one is 35 years old, the other is 50.
It is reasonable to ASSUME the 50 year old carpenter is better skilled than the 35 years old, but it DOESN'T mean it is true.
  • The 35 year old might actually be much more skilled and even more experienced than the 50 year old.
Even if you guess the 50 year old is more skilled than the 35, you're not illogical for making that assumption, but end of the day, the quality speaks for itself and the 35 year old just happens to be better.

A bounty is no different, it allows you to make good fair suggestions about people, but suggestions and first impressions are not facts. A 1 billion beri bounty can have you suggest x person has Armament Haki, King's Haki, Future sight, but it doesn't mean they do. It doesn't even mean they're strong. Robin's 900m bounty is almost as meaningless as Hancock's.

Someone who looks good, dresses well and smells good for an interview can suggest you're dealing with a smart person. Doesn't mean they're smart.
Bounties can only allow you to make impressions of people, but those impressions are not facts, they're assumptions.

Bege and Luffy referencing Katakuri's bounty doesn't mean we can say since Katakuri was said to have Future Sight at 1.1 billion, then Zoro and Sanji also have Future Sight.
Bounty can suggest strength, but it may also not suggest strength.
In fact, Jimbei has a higher bounty than Katakuri, but I doubt Jimbei is even stronger than Katakuri.

Like I said,:
  • A bounty only goes up after a crime or incident. Your bounty never goes up because you got stronger, it only goes up because you committed a crime.

Jimbei's bounty is 1.1 billion, because he was part of a crew that defeated 2 Emperors.
  • Katakuri probably still defeats Jimbei nonetheless. Bounty is not strength level, it only allows you to assume.

Robin's bounty is 930m? Smoothie is 932m.
  • Robin is not stronger than Cracker with 800m even with her 930m bounty.
  • In fact, she's not stronger than Perospero who is as strong as SuLong Inuarashi and Nekomamushi, yet Perospero has a 700m bounty.

High bounty can mean strong the same way being old can mean you're smart and experience, but it's only assumption.

  • Bounty only has meaning in context of the crime.
  • Robin had a bounty of 79 million at the age of 8
Hancock had a bounty of 80 million at the age of 18 whilst being the Queen of Amazon Lily, Haki user and considered strong enough to be a Warlord.
Is 8 year old robin as strong as 18 year old Hancock? Obviously, she's not. Bounty doesn't really mean strength, it can suggest someone is strong but suggestions/assumptions don't mean it is true.

Even if you make the argument, the best you can do with a bounty is give the benefit of the doubt they're strong, but you can't say they're stronger.
Someone with a 500m bounty might be stronger than someone with 1.5 billion. There's a lot of reasons why someone with 500m bounty is sttronger, but has a lesser bounty.

Hancock's bounty doesn't mean much other than she's committed enough to get that bounty, and that's really it.

It's actually impossible to understand bounty without knowing what the person did to get it, and what it suggests about said person. Robin got a 80m bounty for reading Poneglyph and Hancock got her 80m bounty for going on 1 voyage... bounties of equal value don't make 2 people equal.
It only means what they did was dangerous enough to acquire said value from the WG.
 
You're ignoring things that contradict your view.

Bounty can only allow you to make reasonable assumptions about a person. It can't tell you anything factually other than they've committed crimes and been involved in enough incidents to acquire x-amount of bounty.

If you're a home owner looking to make some renovations.
  • You have the option of 2 carpenters, one is 35 years old, the other is 50.
It is reasonable to ASSUME the 50 year old carpenter is better skilled than the 35 years old, but it DOESN'T mean it is true.
  • The 35 year old might actually be much more skilled and even more experienced than the 50 year old.
Even if you guess the 50 year old is more skilled than the 35, you're not illogical for making that assumption, but end of the day, the quality speaks for itself and the 35 year old just happens to be better.

A bounty is no different, it allows you to make good fair suggestions about people, but suggestions and first impressions are not facts. A 1 billion beri bounty can have you suggest x person has Armament Haki, King's Haki, Future sight, but it doesn't mean they do. It doesn't even mean they're strong. Robin's 900m bounty is almost as meaningless as Hancock's.

Someone who looks good, dresses well and smells good for an interview can suggest you're dealing with a smart person. Doesn't mean they're smart.
Bounties can only allow you to make impressions of people, but those impressions are not facts, they're assumptions.

Bege and Luffy referencing Katakuri's bounty doesn't mean we can say since Katakuri was said to have Future Sight at 1.1 billion, then Zoro and Sanji also have Future Sight.
Bounty can suggest strength, but it may also not suggest strength.
In fact, Jimbei has a higher bounty than Katakuri, but I doubt Jimbei is even stronger than Katakuri.

Like I said,:
  • A bounty only goes up after a crime or incident. Your bounty never goes up because you got stronger, it only goes up because you committed a crime.

Jimbei's bounty is 1.1 billion, because he was part of a crew that defeated 2 Emperors.
  • Katakuri probably still defeats Jimbei nonetheless. Bounty is not strength level, it only allows you to assume.

Robin's bounty is 930m? Smoothie is 932m.
  • Robin is not stronger than Cracker with 800m even with her 930m bounty.
  • In fact, she's not stronger than Perospero who is as strong as SuLong Inuarashi and Nekomamushi, yet Perospero has a 700m bounty.

High bounty can mean strong the same way being old can mean you're smart and experience, but it's only assumption.

  • Bounty only has meaning in context of the crime.
  • Robin had a bounty of 79 million at the age of 8
Hancock had a bounty of 80 million at the age of 18 whilst being the Queen of Amazon Lily, Haki user and considered strong enough to be a Warlord.
Is 8 year old robin as strong as 18 year old Hancock? Obviously, she's not. Bounty doesn't really mean strength, it can suggest someone is strong but suggestions/assumptions don't mean it is true.

Even if you make the argument, the best you can do with a bounty is give the benefit of the doubt they're strong, but you can't say they're stronger.
Someone with a 500m bounty might be stronger than someone with 1.5 billion. There's a lot of reasons why someone with 500m bounty is sttronger, but has a lesser bounty.

Hancock's bounty doesn't mean much other than she's committed enough to get that bounty, and that's really it.

It's actually impossible to understand bounty without knowing what the person did to get it, and what it suggests about said person. Robin got a 80m bounty for reading Poneglyph and Hancock got her 80m bounty for going on 1 voyage... bounties of equal value don't make 2 people equal.
It only means what they did was dangerous enough to acquire said value from the WG.
You’re putting way too much thought in a simple tool used to give a physical number to the strength of minor characters and villains and using main characters who are constantly changing as a ruler despite knowing that these minor characters like Boa and commanders aren’t getting bounty changes like the main characters are.

A bounty is a narrative tool for minor characters so that Oda doesn’t have to spend time giving them actual strength showings and can say “this character is worth this much! Wow! And we thought characters worth less than them were impressive this guy is really strong!”

That’s the narrative use of bounties. Keep on trying to talk your way around their importance by mentioning characters constantly changing; but what I’m talking about is how Oda is using them in verse and even has characters in verse talk about them like this as well. We’re pushed to believe this is the way to scale and compare characters. there’s no reason to be like “X’s bounty is 300 million for X 200 million for Y and 600 million for Z.” Cause then you’re putting more thought in it than even Oda does
 
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