Powers & Abilities Why is Conqueror's coating so much overhyped?
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Dino toughness is literally just Kaido's toughness, thats why Ancient Zoans are called "Ryu Ryu no Mi", which means Dragon Dragon fruit. Making Kaido feel pain isn't a big deal for today's standards, if we take strong characters into consideration. Even Momonosuke did it, with a bite.
Also, it doesn't mean all the Dinosaurs have the same durability and endurance, the strength of the owner of the Devil Fruit is still something to be taken into consideration. Queen, a Cyborg, is someone much tougher than Page One for example, Oda literally made Marco hit him alongside King with flames on his back
The only one who is factually above them is the Lunarians with their flames active on their backs
Also, it doesn't mean all the Dinosaurs have the same durability and endurance, the strength of the owner of the Devil Fruit is still something to be taken into consideration. Queen, a Cyborg, is someone much tougher than Page One for example, Oda literally made Marco hit him alongside King with flames on his back
The only one who is factually above them is the Lunarians with their flames active on their backs
Top Tier Logia Admiral Kizaru called rookie Luffy's CoC outburst a terrifying power. Top Tier Logia Admiral Aokiji turned pale and asked "are you serious". Vice Admiral Doberman said Luffy needs to be stopped immediately, or he will become a terrifying enemy. Fleet Admiral Sengoku turned pale. Whitebeard was shocked.
Also Whitebeard to Akainu's power: go and light some birthday cake with it.
Also Whitebeard to Akainu's power: go and light some birthday cake with it.
Made him bleed, did no damage
Chopper admitted, and Queen didn't took him seriously. Keep in mind Chopper was watching Marco hit Queen, and he still said:
"Nothing seems to hurt Queen". There is no mistake here
Given how Oda downplayed Kaido on that aspect, i wouldn't be surprised if Chopper could take blood out of him. Doesn't mean it would actually damage him.
Chopper admitted, and Queen didn't took him seriously. Keep in mind Chopper was watching Marco hit Queen, and he still said:
"Nothing seems to hurt Queen". There is no mistake here
Given how Oda downplayed Kaido on that aspect, i wouldn't be surprised if Chopper could take blood out of him. Doesn't mean it would actually damage him.
Or they could simply be surprised because someone who wasn't being taken seriously strengthwise at all displayed a powerful Conqueror's Haki out of nowhere, more powerful than what most characters have shown in the story.
As i said in the post:
I try to work with facts, sorry fella...
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Luffy went from getting one shot by Kaido to fighting him in base for several minutes with just the crude and clumsy version.
Only a handful of the very strongest characters in the series are capable of using it.
Roger conquered the seas with it and while he was sick he was able to match Prime Whitebeard.
The theme of One Piece's power system is will. The greater your will the stronger you'll become. ACoC is the utilization of your will to the highest degree in combat.
It is the power up of ALL powerups
Only a handful of the very strongest characters in the series are capable of using it.
Roger conquered the seas with it and while he was sick he was able to match Prime Whitebeard.
The theme of One Piece's power system is will. The greater your will the stronger you'll become. ACoC is the utilization of your will to the highest degree in combat.
It is the power up of ALL powerups
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This completely misses the point.. StrawMan Hawkings lives on through you lot Lol
Coc is no doubt an exceptional ability no one is contesting that its reinforced over and over that it is rare.
What is being pointed out is the reduced notion that " every Coc is superior and should be seen in the same light as other Coc " and "nothing existing can top a certain level of Coc" ie : Coc >> any ability no matter what Coc is being discussed
Sure you can gleefully denounce that and say no one claims that and there are obvious argument against it like DF abilities that do dura neg
But some of yall are the same lot Ranking yamato over sanji coz she has Coc.. Or the fact that zoro is closer to luffy coz he has Coc
Basically preaching the same shit through allusions " commonality in possessing a rare ability makes them closer in over all strength " logical fallacy 101
Its obvious what the discussion revolves more around people who exaggerate Coc...bias is what's being discusses not Coc being a great ability
Are we forgetting that this scene exists
Coc is no doubt an exceptional ability no one is contesting that its reinforced over and over that it is rare.
What is being pointed out is the reduced notion that " every Coc is superior and should be seen in the same light as other Coc " and "nothing existing can top a certain level of Coc" ie : Coc >> any ability no matter what Coc is being discussed
Sure you can gleefully denounce that and say no one claims that and there are obvious argument against it like DF abilities that do dura neg
But some of yall are the same lot Ranking yamato over sanji coz she has Coc.. Or the fact that zoro is closer to luffy coz he has Coc
Basically preaching the same shit through allusions " commonality in possessing a rare ability makes them closer in over all strength " logical fallacy 101
Its obvious what the discussion revolves more around people who exaggerate Coc...bias is what's being discusses not Coc being a great ability
Are we forgetting that this scene exists
He didn't get one shot, he was already fighting Kaido in a 1vs1 more than anyone did in the rooftop
He actually went from beating Kaido and eventually getting beaten while getting helped by 4 other characters, to beating Kaido and... Eventually getting beaten even in Gear 4
Also Gear 2 and Gear 3 Luffy isn't "base Luffy". You can't simply act like Gear 2 and Gear 3 meant shit while Gear 4 and Gear 5 are the only things that matter in his fighting style.
And you're literally ignoring the first images of the post like everything Luffy needed to be able to fight Kaido was Conqueror's Haki. This is also about Zoro isn't?
Only a handful of the very strongest = Only a portion amond the very strongest can use it. Thats all it is about
Why is such a simple statement so difficult to understand? I guess Zorotards agendas are what matters most
Roger wasn't called the "Strongest Man in the World" with the power that could destroy the planet.
Being able to match or to be comparable to someone in a fight doesn't mean you are at the same level. Otherwise Yamato would be basically a copy of Kaido.
So only to begin with...
Can you explain to me why did Kaido lost to Luffy even with Kaido having a stronger Haki?
Nothing you said debunked the point im trying to make in the post.
He actually went from beating Kaido and eventually getting beaten while getting helped by 4 other characters, to beating Kaido and... Eventually getting beaten even in Gear 4
Also Gear 2 and Gear 3 Luffy isn't "base Luffy". You can't simply act like Gear 2 and Gear 3 meant shit while Gear 4 and Gear 5 are the only things that matter in his fighting style.
And you're literally ignoring the first images of the post like everything Luffy needed to be able to fight Kaido was Conqueror's Haki. This is also about Zoro isn't?
Only a handful of the very strongest = Only a portion amond the very strongest can use it. Thats all it is about
Why is such a simple statement so difficult to understand? I guess Zorotards agendas are what matters most
Roger wasn't called the "Strongest Man in the World" with the power that could destroy the planet.
Being able to match or to be comparable to someone in a fight doesn't mean you are at the same level. Otherwise Yamato would be basically a copy of Kaido.
So only to begin with...
Can you explain to me why did Kaido lost to Luffy even with Kaido having a stronger Haki?
Nothing you said debunked the point im trying to make in the post.
If we considerate that Zoro was getting assisted by 4 other characters (who were also holding back their powers) while charging all out attacks with Enma to the point the sword needed panels for itself, then yeah it's good. After delaying Hakkai it was clear he wouldn't last that long anyways.
And let's not forget Ashura is all about Conqueror's, Zoro used Conqueror's coating on that attack and Kaido felt in right after that.
And let's not forget Ashura is all about Conqueror's, Zoro used Conqueror's coating on that attack and Kaido felt in right after that.