Powers & Abilities Why King is stronger than Katakuri and far stronger than Queen ?

[Shimotsuki Fenaker]

This is stupid AF

every single time king is introduce he gets put up right next to queen

both introduced bickering on first showing intro box looking down on jack
both introduced stoping big mom
both introduced stoping luffy from going to roof
both introduced stoping marco going to roof
both put in charge of guarding momo
both put together when zoro said it won't be easy going either route
both stayed under the doom to protect people going to kaido



Oda is portraying these two to be equal

katakuri should be above both of them but not by much

Your headcanon doesn't help here and using cards order King > Queen and if they are equal why Queen's bounty got revealed in act 2 while King's bounty didn't get revealed yet

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Katakuri>King>=Queen.King isn't even clearly stronger than Queen.

Your headcanon doesn't help here Kuri is called a lowly son while Both of marco and King have a similar skirmish with big mom and portrayal and read what he wrote above instead of your headcann

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Also why the fk did you list King trying to stop Sanji from saving momo but did not list Queen stopping both luffy and Zoro from reaching the top?

Why did you not post queen coming up with a plan and stopping big mom by himself and then chaining her so that she can't escape? If anything queen is more impressive here because those chains actually stopped her she had to beg fodder to untie her. King only kick the boat off the air which even Sanji can damage more then king did.

> King asserts his dominance over the same fat bitch that chides Katakuri and now wants King in her crew and coldheartedly refuses her

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really? Queen is shit talking big mom the whole time even when he was geting his ass kicked. Queen literally shit talking every person he comes across even calling marco a bird bastard.

Put the F6 in place when they crossed the line

queen made drake and apoo fear for their lives and beat drake with 1 sword. Who's who wasn't confident he can take care of drake so he had queen do it by bringing drake to him.

Your whole list of moments for king is so bias and you just ignore that every thing king does queen actually does the same shit if not even better.



Queen and King are being put together where as katakuri had to do everything by himself pretty much.

Oda is portraying that pretty clearly here.

Kaido Queen King and Jack can all hold their own and deal with the situation but katakuri pretty much carried WCI by himself as a YC1

King portrayed with Marco who is portrayed above queen do the math instead of your wank yeah the same Queen who got afraid of Zoro's slash

 

[sanjikun]

using cards order King > Queen

What game are you playing?

 

[Haoshoku]

Eh sorry I’m gonna side with @Jo_Ndule on this one. Rereading parts of the Katakuri fight with Luffy changed my view on him alittle. Nothing really suggests King is stronger atm.

The comparisons you made with Marco are there however some of them are forced.

For example, Big Mom tried to recruit King specifically because of his race while with Shanks it was honestly more of him joking around. Not really the same.

Both being introduced with another commander doesn’t mean anything as it pertains to him being stronger than Katakuri or not.

Also yes King is very level headed and fulfills the role of being the “brain” of the crew. While Jack, Queen and Kaido are nothing but level headed or sensible in how they handle most things. How does this point to him being stronger than Katakuri though?

As of now we’ll have to see King’s full power on display to see how he fares against Katakuri.

 

[Shimotsuki Fenaker]

What game are you playing?

Playing the game that shows King > Queen instead of headcanon :cheers:

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

For example, Big Mom tried to recruit King specifically because of his race while with Shanks it was honestly more of him joking around. Not really the same.

Oda quite literally redrew the same scene.

 

[vikas]

This is stupid AF

every single time king is introduce he gets put up right next to queen

both introduced bickering on first showing intro box looking down on jack
both introduced stoping big mom
both introduced stoping luffy from going to roof
both introduced stoping marco going to roof
both put in charge of guarding momo
both put together when zoro said it won't be easy going either route
both stayed under the doom to protect people going to kaido



Oda is portraying these two to be equal

katakuri should be above both of them but not by much

Now that I think about it, yes Katakuri has more to him to be seen more like BMs actual second in command, unlike the other two(even including jack, it is never implied by their crew or Kaido himself that King is seen as a superior to others unlike with Katakuri's case). He has the FS which is insane and unique and his ability usage is shown to be one of the best in series. And to add to that Oda added the CoC badge to him too.

 

[Haoshoku]

Oda quite literally redrew the same scene.

It’s the same in the sense that a Yonko was asking for the YFM of another Yonko to join them and both being rejected. However the context behind why Shanks and Big Mom wanted them on their crews is obviously not the same.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

It’s the same in the sense that a Yonko was asking for the YFM of another Yonko to join them and both being rejected. However the context behind why Shanks and Big Mom wanted them on their crews is obviously not the same.

Which doesn't matter. Oda has been drawing a very thick line between Marco and King all arc. The deliberate retreading of the Yonko meeting scene is to further cement King and Marco's similarities in our mind. When we see King, Oda wants us to associate him with Marco. Between their devil fruit similarities and King's epithet to their responses to the Big Mom pirates and Perospero's mutual grudge of both, Oda's put a lot of foot work into that connection.

 

[Haoshoku]

Which doesn't matter. Oda has been drawing a very thick line between Marco and King all arc. The deliberate retreading of the Yonko meeting scene is to further cement King and Marco's similarities in our mind. When we see King, Oda wants us to associate him with Marco. Between their devil fruit similarities and King's epithet to their responses to the Big Mom pirates and Perospero's mutual grudge of both, Oda's put a lot of foot work into that connection.

Yeah but you can’t run away with that and somehow use it as “evidence” that King is stronger than Katakuri. And I’m not disputing that Marco and King have similarities, but its obvious why Big Mom was recruiting King and his refusal doesn’t mean he’s > Kat as the OP was suggesting it did.

Shanks’ recruitment looks closer to a gag tbh than anything else:

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[TheAncientCenturion]

Yeah but you can’t run away with that and somehow use it as “evidence” that King is stronger than Katakuri. And I’m not disputing that Marco and King have similarities, but its obvious why Big Mom was recruiting King and his refusal doesn’t mean he’s > Kat as the OP was suggesting it did.

Shanks’ recruitment looks closer to a gag tbh than anything else:

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I didn't mention Katakuri at all. I'm just saying, Oda wants us to take a look at King and think Marco. And considering the internal naming structure of the crew lends great belief that King is the strongest subordinate.. I'd wager the repeated parallels and utter lack of character development for King means Oda wants us to associate Marco's strength with King.

The meeting is just another brick towards that conclusion.

 

[Kromage911]

Also why the fk did you list King trying to stop Sanji from saving momo but did not list Queen stopping both luffy and Zoro from reaching the top?

Because of his bias, that's why.

 

[Haoshoku]

I didn't mention Katakuri at all. I'm just saying, Oda wants us to take a look at King and think Marco. And considering the internal naming structure of the crew lends great belief that King is the strongest subordinate.. I'd wager the repeated parallels and utter lack of character development for King means Oda wants us to associate Marco's strength with King.

The meeting is just another brick towards that conclusion.

I know you didn’t bring up Kat, but the OP did. Also who really doubts that King is the strongest subordinate though? Unless I haven’t seen some of the wilder takes around these parts, that’s not something that even garners questioning for anyone who’s actually reading the material. And the similarities are there but unless King showcases what he’s capable of in full, those comparisons alone are far too shallow in of themselves to make a compelling case vs Katakuri.

 

[Reborn]

This comparison between king ~ marco~ Katakuri is pointless


It's true that king has nothing over Katakuri as of now but Katakuri feat doesn't put him over king as well as they both still have the same portrayal of first commander

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

So far none of the Y1Cs have portrayal superiority.
Feat-wise Kata looks best which is obvious since he had a fight that played out, though defensively, it is obvious how messed up marcos regeneration is, in turn he did not look so good offensively so far.
The fact that King is put together with Queen should not be used against him, rather for Queen, and might be a reason how three calamities could hold up against four YCs of the other crews, since at least with BM Pirates, the significant gap was between Kata and the rest, with Cracker possibly being a low diff and Smoothie a mid diff for him.
WB Pirates it is up in the air how the structure is beyond Marco being Y1C.

 

[Bil02]

Yep King is a beast and stronger than Katakuri in my book,the aura around them is just different and Oda is holding back king alot by pairing him With Gag man Queen.

Still think he will fight Zoro though before or after the Kaido confrontation.

 

[Bogard]

Instances like King showing to Kaido how to solve his problem, commanding the beast pirates against the intruders in Kaido's absence is to show that he is the brain of the Beast pirates and that he is Kaido's YFM. The waterfall moment also served to show his effectiveness

But so far, he didn't clearly show a big gap with Queen. The fact his bounty is unrevealed thus far is an interesting point, but it could just be that Oda is waiting for the right opportunity to show it as the Calamity with presumably the highest bounty.

It doesn't actually tell us how big the bounty gap would look comparatively to Queen's and seeing how Oda also like to portray King and Queen together, even in battle might suggest the gap in their bounty would turn out to be close, especially if Oda wants to do a parallel between Zoro and Sanji's bounty

Oda did draw some similarities with Marco like a yonko inviting them in their crew, but here again, Oda did some differences. In Marco's case, it was straight up because of his strength when in King's case, it was because of his race

And the same Big Mom who wanted King for his race actually praised Marco for his strength, claiming that someone of his caliber shouldn't help the children of the alliance, got an equal clash with her, with Big Mom respecting him enough to post-pone their battle for later

And even in the current chapter, we have Oda grouping King and Queen to stop Marco, with them only thinking about stalling him long enough for the samurai and Momonosuke to die, not even thinking about actually beating him

These are some of the reasons imo why King's portrayal standing thus far seems to be lacking.

So yes, he is stronger than Queen, but at this point in time, nothing suggest the gap to be significant. On the other hand, Katakuri was portrayed head and shoulders above the rest in Big Mom's crew, making any kind of comparison between them worthless

 

[Hanzo hattori]

King > Queen = Katakuri

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Nobody would ever say "king or Marco is the biggest threat than WB/Kaido/BM in the party '

Call me when King stops being overshadowed by Flyers

King is just the smoothie of this arc

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Instances like King showing to Kaido how to solve his problem, commanding the beast pirates against the intruders in Kaido's absence is to show that he is the brain of the Beast pirates and that he is Kaido's YFM. The waterfall moment also served to show his effectiveness

But so far, he didn't clearly show a big gap with Queen. The fact his bounty is unrevealed thus far is an interesting point, but it could just be that Oda is waiting for the right opportunity to show it as the Calamity with presumably the highest bounty.

It doesn't actually tell us how big the bounty gap would look comparatively to Queen's and seeing how Oda also like to portray King and Queen together, even in battle might suggest the gap in their bounty would turn out to be close, especially if Oda wants to do a parallel between Zoro and Sanji's bounty

Oda did draw some similarities with Marco like a yonko inviting them in their crew, but here again, Oda did some differences. In Marco's case, it was straight up because of his strength when in King's case, it was because of his race

And the same Big Mom who wanted King for his race actually praised Marco for his strength, claiming that someone of his caliber shouldn't help the children of the alliance, got an equal clash with her, with Big Mom respecting him enough to post-pone their battle for later

And even in the current chapter, we have Oda grouping King and Queen to stop Marco, with them only thinking about stalling him long enough for the samurai and Momonosuke to die, not even thinking about actually beating him

These are some of the reasons imo why King's portrayal standing thus far seems to be lacking.

So yes, he is stronger than Queen, but at this point in time, nothing suggest the gap to be significant. On the other hand, Katakuri was portrayed head and shoulders above the rest in Big Mom's crew, making any kind of comparison between them worthless

Linlin didn't respect him, she treated him like a joke
She was ready for luffy.

She postponed trashing Marco, fighting alluajvs in the room just to go up and wait for Luffy.

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

Smoothie a mid diff for him

I also like to play along trolling Smoothie at times, bt not given the opportunity to shine =/= not strong.

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

I also like to play along trolling Smoothie at times, bt not given the opportunity to shine =/= not strong.

That´s fair, it is an assumption for the most part.
But the way they were presented in itself puts her more towards Cracker than Katakuri, who was even pushed as unofficial captain at times based on authority and strength.