Character Discussion Why Monster Trio dynamic will never change and why it's one of the best things OP has to offer?

[Lhulu]

Yamato and Jinbe can be far more stronger than Sanjino, doesn't matter. He will take the 3rd strongest opponent if all the SH fight.
This is already set long ago, we see that in Alabasta, Enies Lobby and now in Wano.

Jinbe had better feats than Sanji in Post TS, but now he's taking a Tobiropo and Sanji the 2nd Calamity. You can argue that Who's Who is stronger than Queen, there's no proof, it's just gymnasty mental. Sanji and Zoro always "compete", that doesn't means they're in same level.

M3 isn't about strenght, it's about taking the 3 mains opponents.

Yamato can fight the 3rd strongest if Oda removes Sanji from the fight, otherwise nothing will change.

 

[Rivaille]

Sanji haters is a group of people who willingly to lose their IQ

The issue with that kind of statement is that it was apply to the people who dare to say that Sanji will have no fight in WCI or that Sanji will not fight King.

The question now is : if you are hater who lose IQ for understanding the story, what are the people who apparently don’t?

 

[Fn Lucci]

Yamato and Jinbe can be far more stronger than Sanjino, doesn't matter. He will take the 3rd strongest opponent if all the SH fight.
This is already set long ago, we see that in Alabasta, Enies Lobby and now in Wano.

Jinbe had better feats than Sanji in Post TS, but now he's taking a Tobiropo and Sanji the 2nd Calamity. You can argue that Who's Who is stronger than Queen, there's no proof, it's just gymnasty mental. Sanji and Zoro always "compete", that doesn't means they're in same level.

M3 isn't about strenght, it's about taking the 3 mains opponents.

Yamato can fight the 3rd strongest if Oda removes Sanji from the fight, otherwise nothing will change.

Exactly, the point isn't that we're going to start seeing Zoro having exchanges with Yamato instead or something. We're not going to get colorspreads from now on with Jinbe standing where Sanji would normally be drawn. That has nothing to do with strength. But there's this stupid ass correlation, that Sanji is above Jinbe for fighting Queen yet somehow it doesn't count that Yamato is up there clashing with hybrid Kaido, lol. The only way he remains third strongest is if the SH crew doesn't actually add Yamato, or if the Raid Suit makes Sanji so strong that you can compare him to Jinbe at sea (the bulk of his strength).

Some other dudes tried to front like this is comparable to Franky during Enies Lobby. Franky looked strong enough until Gear, Asura, and Jambe put him way under with absolutely zero doubt. But even if they didn't, again... Franky wouldn't have replaced Sanji in the musketeers spread or anything.

 

[matt245]

Sharing some panels with someone won't make you as strong as them. And helping/saving someone doesn't make you as strong as them neither. And no, sharing some gags with other characters won't make you as strong as them.

 

[Kishido]

Were you on Arlong Park, KF, etc? I had a generic name like yours back then, Buccaneer

This explain everything

 

[Finalbeta]

The only way to settle this is by keeping to have a look at how characters perform, I don't like shallow reasonings related to arguments such as "Sanji needs to protect Yamato" etc.

 

[Kai. Do]

Didn't Sanji defeat all of Black Maria's fodder anyway? What's Jinbei's excuse? He can't hit cats?

"Didn't Sanji defeat all of Black Maria's fodder anyway?" No, he didn't. Sanji defeated some but not all of them. Black Maria wasn't alone when Sanji was caught in her webs.

"What's Jinbei's excuse? He can't hit cats?" Jinbe's battle isn't even over. You honestly think that Jinbe won't beat Who's Who's even with his subordinates by his side?

People should stop calling things so prematurely, lest they want another 'Sanji vs King'.

 

[Fn Lucci]

This explain everything

This explains nothing. Sounds like you were a lurker at best, not actually around many forums at worst

 

[Roronoa Sanji 81]

He carried Zoro . Gave doctor. When Luffy and Zoro is out , he made leadership . Saved tama . Saved alliance from prospero arrow. Save Chopper . Save Momo.

But still zoro ıq loser try humilate him.

Zoro just cut Kaido.

As a reader zoro and sanji has made impressive things until so far.

But in a total , cut the Kaido dont affect fight and direction at all.

But what sanji did so far saved arc.

If somekind of zoro fans have brain , they can tnihk that .d.d

You're doing the same thing as Sanji haters do i mean not all Zoro fans hate Sanji and not all Sanji fans hate Zoro tho we may sometimes talkshit over each other but we don't really mean it just like Zoro and Sanji encounters
your message is clearly ignoring Zoro's feats you just mentioned Zoro scarred Kaido while you ignored Zoro blocking the hakai if it wasn't for Zoro all the supernovas would be down or some of them would even die! Therefore the raid would have failed in an instant! Yonkos would have won without a doubt if Zoro didn't block the attack , ik what you might reply now you may say zORo wOuLd hAvE dIeD if Law haven't teleported him ok but would Law be alive if Zoro didn't block it ? Would the rest of super novas be alive if it wasn't because of Zoro doing the hardest part ? Zoro did the most ! he did the crazy part and there are even more feats for Zoro which you could mention it anyone without being a bias fan would know what feats iam talking about at the end i like both Sanji and Zoro but i like Zoro more and i believe he's stronger than Sanji
While eos Zoro will be top 3 or top 5 Sanji would most likely wouldn't even be on top 10 that's my honest opinion

 

[Kishido]

This explains nothing. Sounds like you were a lurker at best, not actually around many forums at worst

Yes I was a lurker... Lol

BTW do you still think that Jinbe easily one punching Moriah means nothing?

PS
I also love Street Fighter and KoF

 

[Saikō No Kenshi]

I 100% agree and occasionally mentioned it.

The Monster Trio will always be the 3 top Tier Strawhats. No Jinbe nor whoever will change that dynamics.

Furthermore, don't let you fool about Zoro and Sanji rivalry. In my opinion Zoro trust Sanji the second most after Luffy. And Sanji trust Zoro the second most after Luffy.

Right and left hand Man. That's it.

 

[mrtsrdr]

You're doing the same thing as Sanji haters do i mean not all Zoro fans hate Sanji and not all Sanji fans hate Zoro tho we may sometimes talkshit over each other but we don't really mean it just like Zoro and Sanji encounters
your message is clearly ignoring Zoro's feats you just mentioned Zoro scarred Kaido while you ignored Zoro blocking the hakai if it wasn't for Zoro all the supernovas would be down or some of them would even die! Therefore the raid would have failed in an instant! Yonkos would have won without a doubt if Zoro didn't block the attack , ik what you might reply now you may say zORo wOuLd hAvE dIeD if Law haven't teleported him ok but Zoro did the most ! he did the crazy part and there are even more feats for Zoro which you could mention it anyone without being a bias fan would know what feats iam talking about at the end i like both Sanji and Zoro but i like Zoro more and i believe he's stronger than Sanji
While eos Zoro will be top 3 or top 5 Sanji would most likely wouldn't even be on top 10 that's my honest opinion

I agree. Zoro is stronger than Sanji.

But we cannot know top 3 top 10.

If you think mihawk top 3 right now , he can be

 

[Kai. Do]

Sanji got chased by Black Maria and her subordinates, all he couldn't hit, because women.
He still managed to KO all the male subordinates while avoiding the female ones.
Jinbei has no such restriction as "i can't hit this person because specific gender". He SHOULD have been able to have dealth with Whoswho subordinates a long time ago. But he clearly can't do this while still dealing against Whoswho.

It's time for people to accept that Jinbei got the same "nerf" treatment as others before him.
Which is the reason I'm EXTREMELY skeptical about measuring Yamato's strenght until she actually joins and fights on the next arcs.

Its not like Jinbe was the only one getting bogged down and facing difficulty with subordinates. A couple of weeks ago people were making fun of Zoro getting stopped by Crab Man. Does that determine the extent of Zoro's abilities? And like Zoro himself said at the time: "the enemies just keep coming", which is why Zoro never would have reached the rooftop to face Kaido without Marco's help.

Meanwhile Sanji is fighting Queen in the Concert Hall where a rebellion is happening thanks to Tama. Jinbe is dealing with Who's Who and his subordinates, while Sanji is dealing with Queen and with no interference.

People shouldn't start getting ahead of themselves by looking at things that favor them and not the full picture.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Its not like Jinbe was the only one getting bogged down and facing difficulty with subordinates. A couple of weeks ago people were making fun of Zoro getting stopped by Crab Man. Does that determine the extent of Zoro's abilities? And like Zoro himself said at the time: "the enemies just keep coming", which is why Zoro never would have reached the rooftop to face Kaido without Marco's help.

Meanwhile Sanji is fighting Queen in the Concert Hall where a rebellion is happening thanks to Tama. Jinbe is dealing with Who's Who and his subordinates, while Sanji is dealing with Queen and with no interference.

People shouldn't start getting ahead of themselves by looking at things that favor them and not the full picture.

The thing is Zoro was bogged down by the sheer number of the limitless gifters and headliners. Jinbe had a very limited number of what looked like waiters and gifters…

 

[Doggo]

Its not like Jinbe was the only one getting bogged down and facing difficulty with subordinates. A couple of weeks ago people were making fun of Zoro getting stopped by Crab Man. Does that determine the extent of Zoro's abilities? And like Zoro himself said at the time: "the enemies just keep coming", which is why Zoro never would have reached the rooftop to face Kaido without Marco's help.

Meanwhile Sanji is fighting Queen in the Concert Hall where a rebellion is happening thanks to Tama. Jinbe is dealing with Who's Who and his subordinates, while Sanji is dealing with Queen and with no interference.

People shouldn't start getting ahead of themselves by looking at things that favor them and not the full picture.

Relaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaax.
The Stag Beetle and Blacktooth are just memes.
All in good sport.

 

[Zowo]

Where is kuro chan

 

[Kai. Do]

The thing is Zoro was bogged down by the sheer number of the limitless gifters and headliners. Jinbe had a very limited number of what looked like waiters and gifters…

Maybe, but that's hard to tell. I mean in the same page where its showing Jinbe vs Who's Who, Franky who's facing Sasaki literary says that there is no end to them. It shouldn't be hard to believe that Who's Who being also a Topi Roppo like Sasaki, would also have soldiers that he has by his side that just keep coming out of the wood work. Who's Who is also fighting Jinbe in his own territory, he has all his men and subordinates to spare on one opponent.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Yes I was a lurker... Lol

BTW do you still think that Jinbe easily one punching Moriah means nothing?

PS
I also love Street Fighter and KoF

This is ironically hilarious since I was also addressing Who's Who. Referencing random posts from literally ten years ago like "hehe I saw you in passing back then." If you actually remembered and aren't just pulling random stuff, I was a Tekken guy not SF. I also stand by the point that Jinbe vs Moria doesn't really count as a win, as it was a skirmish. Moria went on to escape Doflamingo and escape Blackbeard, so even if he'd never win, he's not easily stopped. All you are really proving is that I'm not biased in favor of Jinbe lmao.

But you're apparently the same Kishido guy from back then. Kinda cool. Sorry that I don't really feel inclined to browse your old posts.

PS, here's an actual discussion of Franky's standing from 2006
http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=9344

 

[Kishido]

This is ironically hilarious since I was also addressing Who's Who. Referencing random posts from literally ten years ago like "hehe I saw you in passing back then." If you actually remembered and aren't just pulling random stuff, I was a Tekken guy not SF. I also stand by the point that Jinbe vs Moria doesn't really count as a win, as it was a skirmish. Moria went on to escape Doflamingo and escape Blackbeard, so even if he'd never win, he's not easily stopped. All you are really proving is that I'm not biased in favor of Jinbe lmao.

But you're apparently the same Kishido guy from back then. Kinda cool. Sorry that I don't really feel inclined to browse your old posts.

PS, here's an actual discussion of Franky's standing from 2006
http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=9344

And you see the similarity?

And browse my posts. No matter if Franky, Robin or Jinbe... I always said nothing will change dynamic and strength wise.

Hell even no some people stillt think Franky is close to Sanji

 

[Ninjashadow0209]

I see like this.
Luffy= Pirate king or Top top tier(WB,Roger and Garp)
Zoro= Yonko or High high tier(Akainu,Mihawk,Shanks and BM)
Yamato/ Sanji= boths will face admirals in EoS
Jinbei=Yc1(Katakuri and King)
Franky=Yc2(Jozu and Queen)
Chopper= Yc3(Jack and Cracker)
Brook and Robin=Yc4(Snack,Judge and Perospero)
Nami and Usopp= Top vet Level(Oven and Sasaki).