General & Others Why titles don't mean anything in mangas and how Mihawk title isn't valid.
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Love how everyone forgets that Mihawk’s title is basically Zoro’s dream… So if Mihawk’s title isn’t valid then Zoro’s dream isn’t valid
right? Zoro is the only strawhats who will not accomplish his dream simply because YOU can’t accept the power scaling
okay. You know, if Mihawk’s title isn’t valid, Zoro could always just beat Shanks instead
right? Zoro is the only strawhats who will not accomplish his dream simply because YOU can’t accept the power scaling
okay. You know, if Mihawk’s title isn’t valid, Zoro could always just beat Shanks instead
> waiting for a swordmaster to specifically surpass Shanks
> Zoro vs Mihawk in built story clash hype
> Black blade hype in relation to Roger likely having acknowledged it and tried to forge failing
> Zoro to take out an admiral way before becoming a legitimate WSS
There's no contingency over here, this is arguably the truth: Mihawk > Shanks
> Zoro vs Mihawk in built story clash hype
> Black blade hype in relation to Roger likely having acknowledged it and tried to forge failing
> Zoro to take out an admiral way before becoming a legitimate WSS
There's no contingency over here, this is arguably the truth: Mihawk > Shanks
There is one big difference here.
One thing is a character saying the other is the strongest. This is character perspective. Like Gin back at Baratie though Krieg was the Word's Strongest (even after his 5 thousand ships fleet got chased by a single man called Mihawk).
The other thing is MANGA squared panels. Which is pretty much the manga perspective or at least whole world perspective. Way deeper, way more weight on those titles.
One thing is a character saying the other is the strongest. This is character perspective. Like Gin back at Baratie though Krieg was the Word's Strongest (even after his 5 thousand ships fleet got chased by a single man called Mihawk).
The other thing is MANGA squared panels. Which is pretty much the manga perspective or at least whole world perspective. Way deeper, way more weight on those titles.
Let's recap:
Luffy in gear 4 post katakuri gets one shot by Kaido the WSC in their first encounter
Vista without his swords being kokutos, without using named attacks even CoA wasn't one shot by Mihawk
According to zoro fans , mihawk>kaido
Even gear 4 Luffy post katakuri should be stronger than Vista
Basically logic doesn't work with those wankers and kaido's title is the rumor and not mihawk's
Luffy in gear 4 post katakuri gets one shot by Kaido the WSC in their first encounter
Vista without his swords being kokutos, without using named attacks even CoA wasn't one shot by Mihawk
According to zoro fans , mihawk>kaido
Even gear 4 Luffy post katakuri should be stronger than Vista
Basically logic doesn't work with those wankers and kaido's title is the rumor and not mihawk's
Yikes, it seems like I'm the only one who's actually read all three of Kingdom, Vinland Saga and Mushoku Tensei properly in this forum.
For the case of Thorkell, yes, man is considered the strongest Viking alive after Thors but then Thors died way too soon in the series
Thorkell is physically stronger but Thors is overall a better fighter than Thorkell is. And Thorkell didn't really "lost" his duel against Thorfinn. Man was trying to test Thorfinn's growth. We all know that Thorkell would smacks the fuck out of Thorfinn.
That's like saying Renpa "lost" against Mougou in Kingdom.
Yet he did this
The moment Renpa gets mad, he took Mougou's arm off.
Renpa decided to cease fire with Mougou because he knows that he can't win against Mougou's army.
But Renpa was still fine and even clashed with Shin (the MC) and broke all of his bones.
For Orsted, maybe full power Orsted can beat Laplace in a fight but Laplace the Technique God is more of a powerful being than Orsted are. As Laplace's title stated, his techniques are probably better than Orsted the Dragon God. I mean Laplace was the one who created the Seven Great World Powers system after all.
For the case of Thorkell, yes, man is considered the strongest Viking alive after Thors but then Thors died way too soon in the series
Thorkell is physically stronger but Thors is overall a better fighter than Thorkell is. And Thorkell didn't really "lost" his duel against Thorfinn. Man was trying to test Thorfinn's growth. We all know that Thorkell would smacks the fuck out of Thorfinn.
That's like saying Renpa "lost" against Mougou in Kingdom.
Yet he did this
The moment Renpa gets mad, he took Mougou's arm off.
Renpa decided to cease fire with Mougou because he knows that he can't win against Mougou's army.
But Renpa was still fine and even clashed with Shin (the MC) and broke all of his bones.
For Orsted, maybe full power Orsted can beat Laplace in a fight but Laplace the Technique God is more of a powerful being than Orsted are. As Laplace's title stated, his techniques are probably better than Orsted the Dragon God. I mean Laplace was the one who created the Seven Great World Powers system after all.
I think this brings up an interesting discussion of In-Universe rules VS an author's intentions.
In-Universe it makes sense that Mihawk's title is something similar to Roger's or Kaido's, where he being the WSS is more of a consensus reached by the world at large due to his feats, rather than it being some kinf of "official" title earned through certain rules or a tournament or being passed down or whatever.
But ultimately, if Oda says he is the WSS, then he is the WSS.
In-Universe it makes sense that Mihawk's title is something similar to Roger's or Kaido's, where he being the WSS is more of a consensus reached by the world at large due to his feats, rather than it being some kinf of "official" title earned through certain rules or a tournament or being passed down or whatever.
But ultimately, if Oda says he is the WSS, then he is the WSS.
No zoro wants to actually be the strongest, thats his promise to kuina
You either cant read or you are being disingenuous af
Ah good you were "just trolling"
Hakiman shit cant be used anymore after the latest development of zoro, so them resorting to retarded and desperate arguments is to be expected to some degree
You either cant read or you are being disingenuous af
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Ah good you were "just trolling"
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Lmao is this the best pro-Shanks argument that you lot have? 
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No, I am arguing that titles in every manga exists to be debunked.
You all taking my thread without considering other stuff.
Remember this: world governament Is the last enemy.
Remember this: Zoro won't fight Mihawk After Luffy defeats WG, since WG is the last enemy.
Remember also this: there's a Gorosei with a sword.
Do 2+2 my dear Lolo fan
Nope, since demorcracy say Mihawk > Shanks.
You all taking my thread without considering other stuff.
Remember this: world governament Is the last enemy.
Remember this: Zoro won't fight Mihawk After Luffy defeats WG, since WG is the last enemy.
Remember also this: there's a Gorosei with a sword.
Do 2+2 my dear Lolo fan
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Nope, since demorcracy say Mihawk > Shanks.
No, I am arguing that titles in every manga exists to be debunked.
You all taking my thread without considering other stuff.
Remember this: world governament Is the last enemy.
Remember this: Zoro won't fight Mihawk After Luffy defeats WG, since WG is the last enemy.
Remember also this: there's a Gorosei with a sword.
Do 2+2 my dear Grandmaster Zoro fan
Nope, since demorcracy say Mihawk > Shanks.
You all taking my thread without considering other stuff.
Remember this: world governament Is the last enemy.
Remember this: Zoro won't fight Mihawk After Luffy defeats WG, since WG is the last enemy.
Remember also this: there's a Gorosei with a sword.
Do 2+2 my dear Grandmaster Zoro fan
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Nope, since demorcracy say Mihawk > Shanks.
First of all other manga are irrelevant… ever read OPM? He is OPM….
Second of all you insulted Pooth
Yup. My serious argument Is that WG Is the last enemy and there's a F*cking swordsman among Gorosei.
Zoro will find out a swordsman stronger than Mihawk, the Gorosei, and will defeat him confirming he's the strongest swordsman in the world.
That's what I genuely believe.
Mihawk being known as the strongest doesn't mean he Is It the Gorosei never came out searching for the title.
The world's a huge Place and Mihawk's title got already discussed in Zoro's novels and Shanks wasn't taken in consideration just because according to marine didn't show that much swordplay..
Lmao
And that's what It Is according to Zoro's novel since his title was questioned.
His title Is based on people consensus and if the people would have thought that Zoro's feat against Pica was better tthananything Mihawk displayed then Zoro would have already been considered the strongest swordsman in the world.
Of course this wasn't the case since Mihawk has probably a lot of background feats which puts him clearly >>>>>>>>> Zoro at dressrosa and marines know It.
Thorkell can win against Thorfinn 7/10 times.
Doesn't change the fact that he lost that duel according to him.
And even though he got defeated he was still considered the strongest.
At least commercials pushs Oda to consider their rivalry and put them close since the fight Zoro vs Sanji Is = money. :cheers:
Nope, It doesn't work like that.
If Zoro displays better feats than Mihawk he Will already be considered the strongest, according to Zoro's novel.
He doesn't Need to defeat Mihawk, but of course would be anti-climatic if Zoro doesn't defeat anyone to take the title and Just displays an Amazing cutting feat.
The feat that Zoro has in his mind Is defeating Mihawk, what you all don't get is that Mihawk being weaker than other swordsmen doesn't change Zoro being the strongest one day.
Nah. Shanks has his guns.
Zoro will find out a swordsman stronger than Mihawk, the Gorosei, and will defeat him confirming he's the strongest swordsman in the world.
That's what I genuely believe.
Mihawk being known as the strongest doesn't mean he Is It the Gorosei never came out searching for the title.
The world's a huge Place and Mihawk's title got already discussed in Zoro's novels and Shanks wasn't taken in consideration just because according to marine didn't show that much swordplay..
Lmao
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And that's what It Is according to Zoro's novel since his title was questioned.
His title Is based on people consensus and if the people would have thought that Zoro's feat against Pica was better tthananything Mihawk displayed then Zoro would have already been considered the strongest swordsman in the world.
Of course this wasn't the case since Mihawk has probably a lot of background feats which puts him clearly >>>>>>>>> Zoro at dressrosa and marines know It.
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Thorkell can win against Thorfinn 7/10 times.
Doesn't change the fact that he lost that duel according to him.
And even though he got defeated he was still considered the strongest.
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ah the same clown who tried to use commercials to make a point about l.anji and zoro rivals 
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Nope, It doesn't work like that.
If Zoro displays better feats than Mihawk he Will already be considered the strongest, according to Zoro's novel.
He doesn't Need to defeat Mihawk, but of course would be anti-climatic if Zoro doesn't defeat anyone to take the title and Just displays an Amazing cutting feat.
The feat that Zoro has in his mind Is defeating Mihawk, what you all don't get is that Mihawk being weaker than other swordsmen doesn't change Zoro being the strongest one day.
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Lmao is this the best pro-Shanks argument that you lot have?
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