Questions & Mysteries Why was Roger not WSS?
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This is a slashing technique, because Big Mom slashed:
Big Mom's Ikoku doesn't feel like a cutting technique (swordman ability) to me, but a shock wave that pulverizes everything that passes
Databook is not a good enough argument, shown several times wrong does not have enough credibility
But even if you count this technique as a cutting technique, it won't refute my argument at all. Incidentally, WB used his sword to cut BB. Big Mom used a swordsmanship skill to cut the Kid's mechanical bull. King used his swordplay skills to fight CQC against Zoro
The difference is: sword users like Big Mom, Whitebeard, King, Kizaru, Fujitora and etc, even if they have sword skills, they don't use cutting skills as the main weapon in their arsenal. So they don't meet the WSS criteria
Zoro using a technique other than slashing a few times doesn't affect the fact that his swordsmanship is his primary weapon.
Just like in the manga, it always exaggerates Mihawk's abilities as his swordsmanship skills.
The manga exaggerates Zoro's abilities being his swordsmanship skills.
Meanwhile, the manga exaggerates Shanks' abilities being his haki, not his swordsmanship
For example, which is more reasonable to think about Shanks' final attack?
Being a cutting attack capable of slashing an island?
Or an immense golden Nordic God created by your CoC?
I would say 100% for sure that the CoC skill is the most likely, and anyone who is unprejudiced and is mentally healthy should believe that too.
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Did you just correlate Roger's technique with Big Mom's technique without using any arguments in favor of it, just making it up and saying they look like the same technique? Sometimes I skip this kind of argument because the lack of evidence is too shallow to make me argue against it.
Big Mom's Ikoku doesn't feel like a cutting technique (swordman ability) to me, but a shock wave that pulverizes everything that passes
Databook is not a good enough argument, shown several times wrong does not have enough credibility
But even if you count this technique as a cutting technique, it won't refute my argument at all. Incidentally, WB used his sword to cut BB. Big Mom used a swordsmanship skill to cut the Kid's mechanical bull. King used his swordplay skills to fight CQC against Zoro
The difference is: sword users like Big Mom, Whitebeard, King, Kizaru, Fujitora and etc, even if they have sword skills, they don't use cutting skills as the main weapon in their arsenal. So they don't meet the WSS criteria
Zoro using a technique other than slashing a few times doesn't affect the fact that his swordsmanship is his primary weapon.
Just like in the manga, it always exaggerates Mihawk's abilities as his swordsmanship skills.
The manga exaggerates Zoro's abilities being his swordsmanship skills.
Meanwhile, the manga exaggerates Shanks' abilities being his haki, not his swordsmanship
For example, which is more reasonable to think about Shanks' final attack?
Being a cutting attack capable of slashing an island?
Or an immense golden Nordic God created by your CoC?
I would say 100% for sure that the CoC skill is the most likely, and anyone who is unprejudiced and is mentally healthy should believe that too.
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Did you just correlate Roger's technique with Big Mom's technique without using any arguments in favor of it, just making it up and saying they look like the same technique? Sometimes I skip this kind of argument because the lack of evidence is too shallow to make me argue against it.
Hawk wave, Ikkoku and Oden's attacks are examples.
We're not showing you they're cutting attacks. We're showing you exact opposite to prove attacks like Roger's are part of swordsmanship.
Are you really going to pretend "two sword style" isn't about swordsmanship though lmao.
You've established in your head that all swordsmanship attacks are cutting attacks, using it as a fact, then using it to deny actual evidence that not all swordsmanship attacks are cutting attacks. And that other swordsmen use similar attacks to Roger's all the time
Does Zoro use gusts of wind as his main fighting style?
Does Oden use CoC bursts as his main fighting styles?
No, you just took random panels that don't prove anything against my argument.
Ashura is an aura that Zoro literally creates to cut harder.
Soon, a swordsmanship skill
"deciding for yourself" lmao.
I'm literally saying that:
Characters who use cutting skills as their main fighting style = use swordmanship = enter the swordman criteria and compete for the WSS title.
Characters who don't use cutting skills as their main fighting style = don't use swordmanship = don't qualify for swordsman and don't compete for the WSS title.
That's a 2+2=4
Does Oden use CoC bursts as his main fighting styles?
No, you just took random panels that don't prove anything against my argument.
Ashura is an aura that Zoro literally creates to cut harder.
Soon, a swordsmanship skill
"deciding for yourself" lmao.
I'm literally saying that:
Characters who use cutting skills as their main fighting style = use swordmanship = enter the swordman criteria and compete for the WSS title.
Characters who don't use cutting skills as their main fighting style = don't use swordmanship = don't qualify for swordsman and don't compete for the WSS title.
That's a 2+2=4
Roger wasn't swordsman because he wasn't WSS
Rayleigh wasn't swordsman because he wasn't WSS
Xebec wasn't swordsman because he wasn't WSS
Fujitora wasn't swordsman because he wasn't WSS
Oden wasn't swordsman because he wasn't WSS
Shanks isn't swordsman because he isn't the WSS
Zoro isn't a swordsman because he isn't the WSS
Rayleigh wasn't swordsman because he wasn't WSS
Xebec wasn't swordsman because he wasn't WSS
Fujitora wasn't swordsman because he wasn't WSS
Oden wasn't swordsman because he wasn't WSS
Shanks isn't swordsman because he isn't the WSS
Zoro isn't a swordsman because he isn't the WSS
Zoro's Nitoryu IS Swordsmanship & Nitoryu: Hawk Wave is a Swordsmanship Technique that doesn't cut.
Oden Nitoryu IS Swordsmanship & Oden Nitoryu: Gan Modoki is a Swordsmanship Technique that doesn't cut.
So saying that Swordsmanship is only limited to cutting techniques is WRONG. Roger's Divine Departure can very well be a Swordsmanship Technique which does not cut.
I have broken it down to an extent where even a primary school kid can understand, ofcourse if they want to understand instead of throwing tantrums.
Ashura is a aura that Zoro creates to use 9 Sword Style which allows him to cut.
Ashura itself isn't Swordsmanship by your dumb logic.
Oden Nitoryu IS Swordsmanship & Oden Nitoryu: Gan Modoki is a Swordsmanship Technique that doesn't cut.
So saying that Swordsmanship is only limited to cutting techniques is WRONG. Roger's Divine Departure can very well be a Swordsmanship Technique which does not cut.
I have broken it down to an extent where even a primary school kid can understand, ofcourse if they want to understand instead of throwing tantrums.
Ashura is a aura that Zoro creates to use 9 Sword Style which allows him to cut.
Ashura itself isn't Swordsmanship by your dumb logic.
It means that gusts of wind are part of being a swordsman.
It means that CoC bursts can be part of being a swordsman.
It proves that Ikoku, which is a blast shockwave, is part of being a swordsman because it's literally called swordsmanship.
It means that it can all come under WSS because Zoro is sure as fuck allowed to use Hawk Wave as it's part of his arsenal.
It means that your take that "If a sword strike sends you flying instead of cutting you, it's not a swordsmanship attack" is beyond false. Proven by three different scenarios. Specially by BM, where it's literally labelled as swordsmanship.
Except Ikkoku is canonically confirmed to be swordsmanship and it's not cutting.
You're denying canon over your head-canon. This is not 2+2, this is you deciding what's right by yourself then saying Manga is wrong. Shockwave attacks can be part of swordsmanship.
It means that CoC bursts can be part of being a swordsman.
It proves that Ikoku, which is a blast shockwave, is part of being a swordsman because it's literally called swordsmanship.
It means that it can all come under WSS because Zoro is sure as fuck allowed to use Hawk Wave as it's part of his arsenal.
It means that your take that "If a sword strike sends you flying instead of cutting you, it's not a swordsmanship attack" is beyond false. Proven by three different scenarios. Specially by BM, where it's literally labelled as swordsmanship.
Except Ikkoku is canonically confirmed to be swordsmanship and it's not cutting.
You're denying canon over your head-canon. This is not 2+2, this is you deciding what's right by yourself then saying Manga is wrong. Shockwave attacks can be part of swordsmanship.
I had the same question as you. And I believe the answer is simple.
If you are the strongest swordsman but not the strongest over all they will call you the “strongest swordsman”.
If you are a swordsman and you are the strongest in the world they will just say he is the strongest man in the world.
But also I think that people like Mihawk, vista, oden, zoro are considere swordsman, not because they fight with swords but because they dedicate their fighting style and life to the sword.
Roger, Rayleigh, shanks, Kaku, king, even arlong had a sword, are not considered swords man, not because they are not talented with swords but because they don’t dedicate their life to the sword.
Every sword man until now had a sword style.
oden- oden sword style
Zoro- three sword style
Vista- flower sword style
And many more
this is the difference I think
If you are the strongest swordsman but not the strongest over all they will call you the “strongest swordsman”.
If you are a swordsman and you are the strongest in the world they will just say he is the strongest man in the world.
But also I think that people like Mihawk, vista, oden, zoro are considere swordsman, not because they fight with swords but because they dedicate their fighting style and life to the sword.
Roger, Rayleigh, shanks, Kaku, king, even arlong had a sword, are not considered swords man, not because they are not talented with swords but because they don’t dedicate their life to the sword.
Every sword man until now had a sword style.
oden- oden sword style
Zoro- three sword style
Vista- flower sword style
And many more
this is the difference I think
gust of wind and gust of CoC is not a swordsmanship technique and there is no shit to back it up. I'm still waiting for a solid argument that confirms this being a swordmanship, just using nitoryu naming fallacy that doesn't explain anything.
There is also nothing that confirms Ikoku being a swordmanship, databook is not reliable enough material and every month something leaks that confirms this
There is something called logic. Reasonable people support their argument with sound logic.
There is also nothing that confirms Ikoku being a swordmanship, databook is not reliable enough material and every month something leaks that confirms this
There is something called logic. Reasonable people support their argument with sound logic.
Nitoryu naming fallacy? The fuck are you on?
Oden Nitoryu essentially means "Oden Two Sword Style" and Oden says that before he uses any move, including Togen Totsuka - the one which scarred Kaido. Same with Zoro & him saying Nitoryu.
You cannot claim that only cutting techniques come under swordsmanship while ignoring these.
And at this point, you are outright refusing to acknowledge what's there in the canon while still sticking by your own "logic" which is not supported by the manga. Basically debating in bad faith.
It is not from the databook, it is directly from Big Mom's Vivre Card. I've already said this.
Just stop the denial & accept you are wrong. You won't lose Internet Points for that.
Oden Nitoryu essentially means "Oden Two Sword Style" and Oden says that before he uses any move, including Togen Totsuka - the one which scarred Kaido. Same with Zoro & him saying Nitoryu.
You cannot claim that only cutting techniques come under swordsmanship while ignoring these.
And at this point, you are outright refusing to acknowledge what's there in the canon while still sticking by your own "logic" which is not supported by the manga. Basically debating in bad faith.
It is not from the databook, it is directly from Big Mom's Vivre Card. I've already said this.
Just stop the denial & accept you are wrong. You won't lose Internet Points for that.
