Speculations Why "Wings" does not mean Zoro = Sanji in strength
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It is power related but not quite in the manner people are taking it.
Zoro and Sanjis strength is important to Luffy because Luffy can depend on them to do what they do best.
If Luffy needs something cut down Zoro will cut it. If Luffy needs someone to protect the others Sanji will ensure nothing will hurt them even at the cost of their own lives.
The wings thing is the same thing most people have been saying for years. Zoro and Sanji are Luffys right and left hands. They’re the sword and shield of the straw hats and yes the second and third most powerful by a wide margin. Even Jimbei is low diff material to either of these two.
Zoro and Sanjis strength is important to Luffy because Luffy can depend on them to do what they do best.
If Luffy needs something cut down Zoro will cut it. If Luffy needs someone to protect the others Sanji will ensure nothing will hurt them even at the cost of their own lives.
The wings thing is the same thing most people have been saying for years. Zoro and Sanji are Luffys right and left hands. They’re the sword and shield of the straw hats and yes the second and third most powerful by a wide margin. Even Jimbei is low diff material to either of these two.
How can you not? It's literally just common sense, and I don't get how people can genuinely think otherwise
Speed: sanji, who straight up has better speed feats than Marco, Marco was never so fast that queen couldn't see him
Strength: zoro, obviously, he doesn't train for show
Durability: sanji, has an exoskeleton
Stamina: sanji has a healing factor
Hax: again sanji, with his ability to fly
Weapons: zoro
AP: zoro
And last chapter we had a confirmation that sanji's flammes are even stronger than ace's or prometheus, heck even king, given how no fire user ever emitted flammes so hot that they generate lightning
I ask again, how can you not think that sanji pushes zoro to an extreme diff
Speed: sanji, who straight up has better speed feats than Marco, Marco was never so fast that queen couldn't see him
Strength: zoro, obviously, he doesn't train for show
Durability: sanji, has an exoskeleton
Stamina: sanji has a healing factor
Hax: again sanji, with his ability to fly
Weapons: zoro
AP: zoro
And last chapter we had a confirmation that sanji's flammes are even stronger than ace's or prometheus, heck even king, given how no fire user ever emitted flammes so hot that they generate lightning
I ask again, how can you not think that sanji pushes zoro to an extreme diff
U dont need to Cope and write a whole paragraph of ur own headcanon opinions here to understand a simple thing Oda delivered within the story. Sanji = zoro until proven otherwise.
"Wings that helps pirate king to Soar" U cant soar without wings been equal. Only zorotards try to cope with manga facts
"Wings that helps pirate king to Soar" U cant soar without wings been equal. Only zorotards try to cope with manga facts
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This.
Of course wings means something strength-wise, It doesn't mean they're = since Zoro clearly stronger, but that they're overall in the same ballpark to the point that both of them are needed for the PK to soar.
Who could have defeated Kaido's top 2 calamities?
Zoro and Sanji.
Zoro and Sanji are the only commanders of Luffy, that's their role, Oda even put this thing clear with Jinbe not fighting a calamity.
The strength dynamic will Always be:
Luffy
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Zoro
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Sanji
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Rest of the crew.
That's why they see the top 3 as the Monster trio even though they're not equal to each other.
Zoro, Sanji and Luffy are way way more powerful than the others and that's why the crew sees them as in the same own league.
Like, I am pretty sure that if Oda would do a tier list about the crew the trio would be in the same tier.
We know that there are difference between them, but the rest of the crew Is that far behind that can't see the actual margin between them.
Of course wings means something strength-wise, It doesn't mean they're = since Zoro clearly stronger, but that they're overall in the same ballpark to the point that both of them are needed for the PK to soar.
Who could have defeated Kaido's top 2 calamities?
Zoro and Sanji.
Zoro and Sanji are the only commanders of Luffy, that's their role, Oda even put this thing clear with Jinbe not fighting a calamity.
The strength dynamic will Always be:
Luffy
-
-
Zoro
-
Sanji
-
-
-
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-
Rest of the crew.
That's why they see the top 3 as the Monster trio even though they're not equal to each other.
Zoro, Sanji and Luffy are way way more powerful than the others and that's why the crew sees them as in the same own league.
Like, I am pretty sure that if Oda would do a tier list about the crew the trio would be in the same tier.
We know that there are difference between them, but the rest of the crew Is that far behind that can't see the actual margin between them.
No need to make a thread about something so obvious.
Even most Sanji fans know it doesn't correlate to strength. Just that a bunch of desperate equality stans want to suggest otherwise. They know they have absolutely fuck all to argue with or use to say Sanji = Zoro at this point, so they scream wing.
Your generalization is absolutely biased simplification. I have no issue with people pushing agenda for Sanji pushing Zoro to high-diff, but this "extreme-diff" stuff is absolutely, utterly nonsensical and it's not even funny.
Strength and AP are obvious and I don't even need to elaborate. ACoA + ACoC + Lethality of blades is significantly superior- and even before ACoC, Zoro had feats of scarring Kaido for life.
Durability is Sanji, but Zoro's defense is still superior. Coating weapons in barrier haki on top of having superior CoA than Sanji anyway, is above Exoskeleton + an inferior CoA.
Speed is Sanji for movement and CoO, however Zoro's attack speed is up there, if not outright better in blitzes. Lion's Song also blitzed King before the latter could even move a muscle from afar.
In terms of mobility, obviously Sanji because he can fly- although he doesn't have ranged attacks to take advantage of that.
In terms of versatility, Sanji can fly, meanwhile Zoro has Kaido-scale-cutting tornadoes of mountain size, on top of flying slashes of mountain size, and the ability to cut and diminish fire, which directly counters Sanji.
And, again, Sanji is a CQC combatant. Getting close to Zoro and clashing with his blades or risking getting hit is a counter match-up to begin with against a blade user with SIGNIFICANTLY superior CoA on top of ACoC.
But the most hilarious part is, you're saying "How can you not say extreme diff after last chapter?" when Zoro vs King is yet to even be shown properly- this is like trying to push an agenda after Sanji showed DJ vs Jabra before even waiting for Zoro vs Kaku to end. Not that it makes that much an impact, powerscaling still puts Zoro higher.
Even most Sanji fans know it doesn't correlate to strength. Just that a bunch of desperate equality stans want to suggest otherwise. They know they have absolutely fuck all to argue with or use to say Sanji = Zoro at this point, so they scream wing.
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Your generalization is absolutely biased simplification. I have no issue with people pushing agenda for Sanji pushing Zoro to high-diff, but this "extreme-diff" stuff is absolutely, utterly nonsensical and it's not even funny.
Strength and AP are obvious and I don't even need to elaborate. ACoA + ACoC + Lethality of blades is significantly superior- and even before ACoC, Zoro had feats of scarring Kaido for life.
Durability is Sanji, but Zoro's defense is still superior. Coating weapons in barrier haki on top of having superior CoA than Sanji anyway, is above Exoskeleton + an inferior CoA.
Speed is Sanji for movement and CoO, however Zoro's attack speed is up there, if not outright better in blitzes. Lion's Song also blitzed King before the latter could even move a muscle from afar.
In terms of mobility, obviously Sanji because he can fly- although he doesn't have ranged attacks to take advantage of that.
In terms of versatility, Sanji can fly, meanwhile Zoro has Kaido-scale-cutting tornadoes of mountain size, on top of flying slashes of mountain size, and the ability to cut and diminish fire, which directly counters Sanji.
And, again, Sanji is a CQC combatant. Getting close to Zoro and clashing with his blades or risking getting hit is a counter match-up to begin with against a blade user with SIGNIFICANTLY superior CoA on top of ACoC.
But the most hilarious part is, you're saying "How can you not say extreme diff after last chapter?" when Zoro vs King is yet to even be shown properly- this is like trying to push an agenda after Sanji showed DJ vs Jabra before even waiting for Zoro vs Kaku to end. Not that it makes that much an impact, powerscaling still puts Zoro higher.
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Yeah, it definitely doesn't mean they're equal but combat strength plays one of the most major role in them being the wings. You said valuable and trustworthy. I don't think any of us take any other SHP to be less trustworthy than Sanji and Zoro. It comes down to valuable which they all are in their own ways aside from strength and maybe in some rare cases when it's needed, leadership. I would even argue Nami to be as component as the other 2 in terms of leadership.
No matter how we put it, the main thing comes to strength in the end which even you've mentioned. In this sense, although I agree with much of your thread, the title is very clickbaity. It doesn't 'only' refer to strength but it's the most major aspect, at least imo. But that definitely doesn't mean they're equal in strength. They can ofc vary. Just the Top 2.
No matter how we put it, the main thing comes to strength in the end which even you've mentioned. In this sense, although I agree with much of your thread, the title is very clickbaity. It doesn't 'only' refer to strength but it's the most major aspect, at least imo. But that definitely doesn't mean they're equal in strength. They can ofc vary. Just the Top 2.
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Zoro has also been portrayed to be part of WG and leaders of new generation over Sanji.
Zoro has also been portrayed to be "SIlver" Rayleigh to Luffy's "Gold" Roger with Sanji representing Gaban a.k.a Copper.
Zoro has also been portrayed to be RHM and straight up called strongest in crew after Luffy by Oda.
Lucci/Kaku, Crocodile/Mr.1 (Jabra/Mr.2 left the groups after the arc), Smoker/Tashigi, Kidd/Killer, Coby/Helmeppo... do I need to go on?
Zoro was also the one with narrative importance of taking Luffy's pain. Sanji did not share with him, albeit he was willing to, as his one of his two biggest pillars of support.
I could list on and on and on.
If you take into account all the narrative/portrayal of Zoro and Sanji being the wings and Luffy's biggest pillars of support, yet ignore all the portrayal which sets Zoro apart from every other crewmmate of Luffy's in terms of narrative importance and strength, then you're just being a pure, shameless hypocrite.
Zoro has also been portrayed to be "SIlver" Rayleigh to Luffy's "Gold" Roger with Sanji representing Gaban a.k.a Copper.
Zoro has also been portrayed to be RHM and straight up called strongest in crew after Luffy by Oda.
Lucci/Kaku, Crocodile/Mr.1 (Jabra/Mr.2 left the groups after the arc), Smoker/Tashigi, Kidd/Killer, Coby/Helmeppo... do I need to go on?
Zoro was also the one with narrative importance of taking Luffy's pain. Sanji did not share with him, albeit he was willing to, as his one of his two biggest pillars of support.
I could list on and on and on.
If you take into account all the narrative/portrayal of Zoro and Sanji being the wings and Luffy's biggest pillars of support, yet ignore all the portrayal which sets Zoro apart from every other crewmmate of Luffy's in terms of narrative importance and strength, then you're just being a pure, shameless hypocrite.
Wings are just the reliable guys after Luffy .
Just the 2nd strongest and 3rd strongest, such term " wings" doesn't put as a rule that both must be equal or even close.
Btw those who mention rivalry give me a break gags and bickering are not powerscale material.
Imagine thinking comedic scenes are fueled mainly by powerlevels in Oda head
Just the 2nd strongest and 3rd strongest, such term " wings" doesn't put as a rule that both must be equal or even close.
Btw those who mention rivalry give me a break gags and bickering are not powerscale material.
Imagine thinking comedic scenes are fueled mainly by powerlevels in Oda head
Battle of the ages.
The Sanji fandom "sanji has coc" copium
vs
The Zoro fandom "this Wings means nothing" copium
Truly very important and interesting topics that DEFINITELY won't get at least 1 new thread per week until the end of times.
The Sanji fandom "sanji has coc" copium
vs
The Zoro fandom "this Wings means nothing" copium
Truly very important and interesting topics that DEFINITELY won't get at least 1 new thread per week until the end of times.
It's equivalent to a Sanji fan saying there's a chance Sanji may get CoC as opposed to Sanji already having it or for sure getting it.
At least read more than the title.