Questions & Mysteries Why Zoro will lose Sandai and get a Supreme Grade Blade..

[Rootbeer]

Zoro will raise all the blades he has to supreme level by his own haki. He will have 3 supreme blades by eos

If that's the case then he won't be in Top Tier Conquerors.. For that he need to be chosen by a '' Original Born '' Supreme Grade Blade, as all highest top tier are, Roger, Whitebeard, Shanks, Fujitora..

 

[nik87]

Yeah, but it wouldn't help your case that Blades don't have powers if it literally metamorphoses the alright quality of the Blade to a Masterpiece quality, that imply super power type stuff.. One Piece is magical but all things should be proportional, it's not fairy tail..

If it happens that Sandai Kitetsu's Grade was miscategorized and it's in fact a Skillful Grade Blade, i would concede 2 jumps from Skillful Grade Blade to Supreme Grade Blade.. Since you can make the argument that there is a tier difference between Paramecia and Logia Awakening, so something to that affect could apply with Blades.. 2 bump max from me, 3 is too unrealistic..

Sandai Kitetsu is not miscategorized.
What you didn't think through with this theory of yours is that the number of Supreme Grades is limited.
And all Supreme Grades have already chosen their wielders.
Unless you want Roger's Ace to choose Zoro so he does what Roger couldn't?

 

[Rootbeer]

Sandai Kitetsu is not miscategorized.
What you didn't think through with this theory of yours is that the number of Supreme Grades is limited.
And all Supreme Grades have already chosen their wielders.
Unless you want Roger's Ace to choose Zoro so he does what Roger couldn't?

Yeah maybe, there are still what 7 unknown Supreme Grade Blades.. There seem to not be
enough Top Tier Supreme Grade wielders to go around right now.. And i can't imagine Zoro wielding
a non Samurai Blade.. Anyway there are Supreme Grade Blades waiting around to choose a Conqueror
with potential to be Top Conqueror..

Also Zoro doesn't necessarly need to lose Sandai, it could somehow be Wado that has to be returned by a miraculous
twist of fate, who knows.. That one is a very long shot though..

 

[nik87]

Yeah maybe, there are still what 7 unknown Supreme Grade Blades.. There seem to not be
enough Top Tier Supreme Grade wielders to go around right now.. And i can't imagine Zoro wielding
a non Samurai Blade.. Anyway there are Supreme Grade Blades waiting around to choose a Conqueror
with potential to be Top Conqueror..

Also Zoro doesn't necessarly need to lose Sandai, it could somehow be Wado that has to be returned by a miraculous
twist of fate, who knows.. That one is a very long shot though..

Well, the only question is - which legend should Zoro shit on by picking his sword and doing what he couldn't?

 

[SakazOuki]

Zoro will be able to raise Enma to supreme grade, but I don’t think he’ll be able to handle a naturally supreme grade sword

 

[Rootbeer]

Well, the only question is - which legend should Zoro shit on by picking his sword and doing what he couldn't?

Yes..

Zoro will be able to raise Enma to supreme grade, but I don’t think he’ll be able to handle a naturally supreme grade sword

That means you don't think he will be a Top Conqueror, according to what i proposed..

 

[nik87]

Yes..

Roger, Whitebeard, Venus, Rocks, Imu?
Who else can we pick from?

 

[Rootbeer]

Roger, Whitebeard, Venus, Rocks, Imu?
Who else can we pick from?

There's a high chance that Xebec's Sword was a Supreme Grade Blade, and it looked like Samurai Blade.. It would
be interesting..

There's also this Blade that i didn't include in this thread because it can be easily disputed based on the character's ambiguous greatness, but could have possibly been a Supreme Grade Blade..

 

[The White Crane]

@nik87 Even @Rootbeer knows Mihawk painted his blade black to trick everyone else?

 

[Vanlax]

If Sandai is getting replaced, Wano was perfect for it especially with Nidai.

Zoro's Sandai and Nasu's Shodai has already clashed.

Sandai isn't getting replaced.

 

[nik87]

@nik87 Even @Rootbeer knows Mihawk painted his blade black to trick everyone else?

I can confirm.
Rudbir was the paint merchant who sold Mihawk some black color.

 

[trav]

Ryuma was the absolute king with an Owazamono.
The blade does not matter. The weilder does.
From your reasoning Ryuma would need to have been chosen by a Saijo. Which we know did not happen.

You can make a case for the Sandai to choose Zoro and make its way too him, but not for any other blade we know of right now.
There are only a handful of Saijo to go around and its not like their weilders will give them up freely.
Zoro only got Enma because it was in the possession of someone who is not a swordsmen and Zoro saved her butt.
Zoro only got Shusui because Ryuma did not need it anymore in the grave and want to pass it on.
Where would Zoro get a Saijo from if not from a defeated foe, like Gandhi, or so?

 

[The White Crane]

I can confirm.
Rudbir was the paint merchant who sold Mihawk some black color.

 

[MonsterKaido]

I still don't like why nidai kitetsu was not picked up by Zoro. Felt like an obvious mis opportunity

 

[park_min young]

No weapon will surpass Yoru, the only supreme blade turned black.

 

[BornInAbyss]

Omg Rootbeer actually being normal for once made my day. To OP: Shanks definitely has a supreme grade blade. Don‘t know about Aramaki having a blackblade tho.

 

[Rootbeer]

If Sandai is getting replaced, Wano was perfect for it especially with Nidai.

Zoro's Sandai and Nasu's Shodai has already clashed.

Sandai isn't getting replaced.

Well, you have to pick one, because Zoro can not become a Top Conqueror without being chosen by a '' Naturally born '' Supreme Grade Blade..

Ryuma was the absolute king with an Owazamono.
The blade does not matter. The weilder does.
From your reasoning Ryuma would need to have been chosen by a Saijo. Which we know did not happen.

You can make a case for the Sandai to choose Zoro and make its way too him, but not for any other blade we know of right now.
There are only a handful of Saijo to go around and its not like their weilders will give them up freely.
Zoro only got Enma because it was in the possession of someone who is not a swordsmen and Zoro saved her butt.
Zoro only got Shusui because Ryuma did not need it anymore in the grave and want to pass it on.
Where would Zoro get a Saijo from if not from a defeated foe, like Gandhi, or so?

It seems that Ryuma was in fact not the Absolute King.. Shusui is only a Great Grade Blade..
Maybe Ryuma was the absolute King in Wano which was isolated from the world, but not the whole world of One Piece..
Just as Ushimaru was the '' Grandmaster '' Swordsman of Wano, but outside he's only a '' Master '' Swordsman..

Actually more than half of the Saijo don't have a Wielder or have not been introduced yet..
Even though Enma and Shusui are Great Grade Blades, they are a good indication that some Supreme Grade Blades
have no current Wielder and there are not enough Top Tier Conqueror Blade Wielders to go around currently.. There are
Saijos waiting to Choose a Conqueror with potential of being Top Conqueror..

I still don't like why nidai kitetsu was not picked up by Zoro. Felt like an obvious mis opportunity

You're right, and there must be a reason.. But one important thing, it's not that Nidai Kitetsu didn't get picked up by Zoro, it's Zoro that didn't get picked up by Nidai.. The Sword chooses it's Wielder.. Maybe each Kitetsu generation hate one another, or something else..

No weapon will surpass Yoru, the only supreme blade turned black.

If Yoru was already a Supreme Grade Blade, then it didn't become more powerful which would turn Yoru forged into a Black Blade the most useless thing.. We know Enma will become more powerful when it's going to be turned into a Black Blade..

Yoru was a Great Grade Blade.. No Supreme Grade Blade has ever been forged into a Black Blade ever before..

 

[park_min young]

Well, you have to pick one, because Zoro can not become a Top Conqueror without being chosen by a '' Naturally born '' Supreme Grade Blade..


It seems that Ryuma was in fact not the Absolute King.. Shusui is only a Great Grade Blade..
Maybe Ryuma was the absolute King in Wano which was isolated from the world, but not the whole world of One Piece..
Just as Ushimaru was the '' Grandmaster '' Swordsman of Wano, but outside he's only a '' Master '' Swordsman..

Actually more than half of the Saijo don't have a Wielder or have not been introduced yet..
Even though Enma and Shusui are Great Grade Blades, they are a good indication that some Supreme Grade Blades
have no current Wielder and there are not enough Top Tier Conqueror Blade Wielders to go around currently.. There are
Saijos waiting to Choose a Conqueror with potential of being Top Conqueror..


You're right, and there must be a reason.. But one important thing, it's not that Nidai Kitetsu didn't get picked up by Zoro, it's Zoro that didn't get picked up by Nidai.. The Sword chooses it's Wielder.. Maybe each Kitetsu generation hate one another, or something else..



If Yoru was already a Supreme Grade Blade, then it didn't become more powerful which would turn Yoru forged into a Black Blade the most useless thing.. We know Enma will become more powerful when it's going to be turned into a Black Blade..

Yoru was a Great Grade Blade.. No Supreme Grade Blade has ever been forged into a Black Blade ever before..

Forging an SG into a black blade will still enhance its properties. The very act of forging a black blade is a symbol for peak swordsmanship. Mihawk didn’t turn Yoru black just because he wants a better sword if that’s what you’re implying.

 

[Rootbeer]

Forging an SG into a black blade will still enhance its properties. The very act of forging a black blade is a symbol for peak swordsmanship. Mihawk didn’t turn Yoru black just because he wants a better sword if that’s what you’re implying.

If it stays within the same Grade it wouldn't enhance the Blade quality or Personality, it would just be permanently coated in Hardening..
Yes, Mihawk probably didn't plan on turning Yoru Black, it just happened as he pursued the peak of Swordsmanship

As you said, the whole point of creating a Black Blade is to augment its properties, but a Blade can not remain in the same Grade and enhance its properties..

 

[park_min young]

If it stays within the same Grade it wouldn't enhance the Blade quality or Personality, it would just be permanently coated in Hardening..
Yes, Mihawk probably didn't plan on turning Yoru Black, it just happened as he pursued the peak of Swordsmanship

As you said, the whole point of creating a Black Blade is to augment its properties, but a Blade can not remain in the same Grade and enhance its properties..

There‘s just no other class above SGs. It’s in the name, Supreme Grade Blade. The highest quality there is possible in the swordsmith classification. A black SG is just more powerful than regular SGs, it’s just that simple.